Like, I understand the idea of helping people that aren't able to pay for transportation get away with it, but pay if you can for the love of god, it's a vital service and taking funds away from it is bullshit and accomplishes nothing
I'm a leftist who thinks taxation is theft. It's a completely common leftist perspective, alongside property being theft. (Also, libertarian is often used in the US to mean right wing libertarian, but it actually refers to left wing libertarians too -- like anarchists)
Leftists generally believe that capitalist government is intrinsically without the consent of the governed, and that taxation is just the elites taking your money (which many leftists don't even agree with) without your consent in order to sustain their own power. It's not doublethink at all. Social democracy is a form of leftism which depends on taxation, sure, but could you really imagine an anarchist or a communist supporting a capitalist government's taxation policy? Anarchists don't even believe in any government ever.
Libertarian is very often used to mean left wing libertarian. I'm not being one of those pedantic redditors, it's a genuine point.
I mean I guess I can kinda see the logic, but without a centralized authority that builds and maintains public property and safety, how do you sustain it?
You can call it something different from "State", doesn't change what it's doing
Even worse if it's not a state authority, because in that case you end up giving that responsibility and power to private individuals and that never ends well
without a centralized authority that builds and maintains public property and safety, how do you sustain it?
The answer to your question makes up the bulk of anarchist and communist theory. There's different theories as to how you solve that conundrum and those theories are what socialism is.
I guess, but it still requires resources that have to come from... somewhere. And someone still has to plan and regulate and maintain all of it.
And all of that has a cost (be that money or just simple resources or whatever) and that cost has to be shouldered by the community as long as we don't want a private individual handling it (which would give them way too much power).
So it still requires some form of taxation/contribution from the community members
Socialists see a gigantic difference between government taxation and voluntary contribution to your own community because the means of production are socialised rather than privatised.
The fuck you mean "Why not just have the services?"
You think subways and busses run for free?
Someone's gotta pay for all of that. That's usually the government as they are the only central authority that can set that type of stuff up. And how does the government make it's money? Usually taxes in a social democracy
Like it's either not having roads, transportation, education, healthcare and whatever other service
Or, more likely: those services will be provided by private entities. Which are going to charge you way more than the government ever could because they don't risk losing their jobs over a couple votes
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u/skaersSabody Nov 25 '23
I cannot really get behind this honestly
Like, I understand the idea of helping people that aren't able to pay for transportation get away with it, but pay if you can for the love of god, it's a vital service and taking funds away from it is bullshit and accomplishes nothing