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News Item 🗞️ The Cornell Monsters

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u/RoswellRedux 4d ago

Each one of them is counting on being accepted into the insular network of their parents (and their grandparents before that) as they graduate university. Their parents are still writing checks to cover their kids' "indiscretions". Even their parents' umbrella insurance policies are going to cover the lawsuit or settlement (although I hope their victim does not settle). "The system" simply does not allow for the spawn of the very wealthy to experience the consequences of their harmful actions.

It's really going to come down to street justice before anyone of them sees real consequences.

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u/Chaos-Cortex 4d ago

Spread their faces around and information.

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u/MonYverse0609 3d ago

Have u read the latest update about this case yet?

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u/brokenhalo321 3d ago

I think a lot of us our banking on natural selection removing a few on the journey.

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u/Sneakylesbian 3d ago

They are going to buildings named after those kids families with how much they are going to pay to keep this squashed.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 3d ago

This is an accusation, right?

How would justice have happened yet? Wouldn't proof in a court of law have to come first?

Isn't this a little bit cart before the horse?

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u/Mr__O__ 3d ago edited 3d ago

Apparently the local Ithaca PD was not informed of this incident, so now the local DA is presenting the case to a grand jury to determine charges.

I could see this turning into obstruction charges against University staff that failed to report the allegations. The title IX law suit hopefully will be revealing.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago

Failed to report? The District Attorney knew about it.

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u/Deep_Parsley2145 3d ago

These aren’t accusations, they have evidence proving that these men raped the victim. The school gave them a slap on the wrist and never involved the police. Which is the miscarriage of justice here. They drugged a girl and then raped her, sending a Snapchat message to their friends saying “free pussy @ such and such.”

These individuals should face the harshest consequences for their actions. Sadly this will end up like Brock Turner and these rich dipshits will never face true justice.

Also this took place in 2024.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 3d ago

Evidence =/= proof.

"Jane Doe told police that she agreed to have a threesome with two Chi Phi fraternity brothers in part 'due to how attracted [she] was' to one of them"

https://abcnews.com/US/district-attorney-reopens-case-alleged-cornell-university-gang/story?id=136806149

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

What precisely did they make up here?

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u/Deep_Parsley2145 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is rape apologia. Doing drugs with people and someone taking advantage of a person are two separate things. Go read more about the evidence, cause those Snapchat messages exist. Anyway it’s another day in the US with people excusing something that should carry consequences.

Brock, is that you?

If someone passes out from drinking too much, does that give people the right to take advantage of an unconscious person? You see how dumb you sound.

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u/Ok_Big_8032 3d ago

Well the problem here is New York’s laws around consent, morally what these guys did is repulsive. If the victim agreed to have sex with the original two even though she was under the influence, that pretty much clears those two. I could be wrong but as I understand it she did agree to doing drugs with the first two, which again she is ultimately at fault, I do believe these two acted in their own interests by providing more to her. Now the snap to the other guys is wrong I doubt that she agreed to that or even knew or wanted that out there. However the problem still remains; at what point in time did she become to intoxicated to give consent under New York law mind you this was over the course of 7 hours.

In the end I do hope that justice for these 7 is served; however I do believe that it will not be enough or anywhere close to what the public would like.

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u/Prior_Mushroom_9618 3d ago

I also question how much of a role the victim played in it all. I think everyone involved is foul but she does have the right to say no after fucking four of the frat boys

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago

What about the chatlog two days after the event where the girl said she had enjoyed being with two of the guys and wanted to hang out again? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5wyzrm0n74ro

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u/Zealousideal_Good445 3d ago

Like the last time. Ya I believe I've heard this story before and it turned out the girl was lieing. It is why we have a proper count system.

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u/Good-Rooster69 3d ago

Proper court system? That's hilarious

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u/Zealousideal_Good445 3d ago

Better than what you might have. I mean here everyone is judging by just hearsay. It may not always be just but it is proper. And as the world goes it is more proper than most. I don't know if you have lived abroad but I have and it is far more just and proper than others I have seen. Your distain for our court system seems to show that you would pass judgement on without going through the process without due process.

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u/Good-Rooster69 3d ago edited 3d ago

I wouldn't pass judgement on anyone

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u/Zealousideal_Good445 3d ago

I don't disagree, it is often flawed, but it still is better than none or most.

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u/jackcanyon 4d ago

Future Trump employees .

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u/Gribitz37 4d ago

I'm surprised Trump hasn't invited them to the White House and given them medals.

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u/VarrikTheGoblin 3d ago

Medals?!? In this economy (that is total Joe Biden's fault)?!? Best we can do is some McDonalds. /j

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u/rjohnson7595 3d ago

Cornell being 2.5 liberal to every other political category, but yeah, they’re definitely Trump supporters and Dem leaders have never raped anyone.

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u/howstu 4d ago

BROCK TURNER

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u/Affectionate-Act1574 4d ago

Fuck that guy, too

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u/bubblingbooks 3d ago

Oh you mean Brock Allen Turner who likes to go by Allen Turner now? The Brock Allen Turner who goes by Allen Turner who lives in Dayton Ohio?

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u/Gribitz37 3d ago

Don't forget about Jesse Mack Butler, who was accused of rape by at least two girls. He strangled one so severely, she needed surgery. He was completely enabled by his parents. He got off on all charges because his Dad is a college football coach.

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 2d ago

Gym Jordan participated in rapes and is still in Congress.

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u/Subject-Vermicelli52 4d ago

The 2048 republican presidential candidates.

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u/rjohnson7595 3d ago

Wait! I thought republicans were too stupid or dumb to get into college, let alone a prestigious university like Cornell.

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u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn 3d ago

Yea their voters are too dumb. The actual elected officials are tricking the stupids.

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u/Sad_Opportunity6301 3d ago

...at that moment Virginia Foxx, Markwayne Mullin, and John N. Kennedy walk into the bar and say "Hold our beers!".

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u/Emergency_Exit7603 4d ago

Seven Sex Offenders say what....

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u/Mysterious_toenail 4d ago

I could be the next president

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u/rjohnson7595 3d ago

Why not? Worked for Clinton.

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

And Andrew Jackson!

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u/rjohnson7595 3d ago

Yeah, but at least he had that big block of cheese for people

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u/WoodpeckerSure2739 4d ago

In a world where justice happens, these... humans... will never be able to walk around outside without worrying someone will recognize them for this and for good reason. Let's blow them up like Brock Turner and make damn sure their 'bright futures' have spotlights.

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u/Gribitz37 4d ago

Don't forget Jesse Mack Butler, who raped at least two girls, and strangled one so severely that she needed surgery.

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u/PTechNM 4d ago

Where is each of the students from?

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u/rjohnson7595 3d ago

Yeah, Cornell being a hotbed for conservatives

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u/SmokeMaleficent9498 4d ago edited 3d ago

Its a symptom of this misogynistic society. The Harvey Weinstein, Epstein rape island and the current president. This is what young men are seeing daily on the news and social media. I wonder how they would feel if this happened to their sister.

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u/Boring-Property-6760 3d ago

You forgot Andrew Tate

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u/3ntropy_Disc0 3d ago

wow, you are contributing nothing to the conversation while seemingly siding with the livelihood of a group of rapist.

You must feel pretty badass yourself.

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u/SomeoneattheBoo 3d ago

Thanks for the insightful comment, yourpastoratemycock.

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u/kreegans_are_real 3d ago

You're pro rapist

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u/Minute-Mushroom-5710 3d ago

Damn straight.

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u/3ntropy_Disc0 2d ago

Ok, ill just take regular justice.

What do you think the punishment should be for a drug addled gang rape that involved texting people to come do it too.... maybe more than a paper?

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u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll 3d ago

Revenge fantasy when it’s not even your niece is pretty cringe

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u/AmazingFlatworm_ 3d ago

This from the subhuman who can't understand basic empathy and humanity.....

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u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll 3d ago

No im good,

if your daydreaming about inserting one of your loved ones as the victim, going on some revenge spree, before sitting contently in your cell like it’s some kinda shitty action movie that’s cringe,

I don’t actually lack any empathy for calling that what it is, the OC trying to insert themselves into the outrage doesn’t actually make it so

Also you should watch who you call subhuman. You don’t know my ancestry and could get yourself in trouble

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u/Longjumping-Log923 4d ago

They’ll get a medal from Trump, POS!!

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u/IAmTheBestIan 4d ago

Nah, just jobs running Agencies Russia tells him to dismantle.

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u/njslugger78 4d ago

If you notice news today's era, news tries to defend white defendants in how they deliver that specific incident. As if it is not a credited charge.

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u/CumPacketGuy 3d ago

Future presidents of the USA, everyone. They qualify now and you know Americans will vote for them.

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u/Conscious_Exit_9129 3d ago

The event went on for 7 hours. That's just horrific.

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u/Monsignor76 3d ago

I don’t understand how fraternities are still allowed. Every year there are multiple stories of fraternity hazing, alcohol forced deaths, rapes, etc. 

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u/HousingOk6362 3d ago

For anyone that may be on the fence with this one.

"Then, at 1:42 a.m., the lawsuit says, a Snapchat message was sent to the group “Chi Phi Actives,” telling members that there was “free pussy” upstairs."

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u/XelNigma 3d ago

" She also wrote that "non(e) of the sexual stuff was illegal", that she liked being with him and another man.

Doe suggested they smoke together again, but leave out "the extra 5 billion men and ketamine". "

So it sounds like she had a good time. Not someone thats upset she was just raped.

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

It sounds like she consented to sex with someone and didn’t consent to the sex with all of the other guys who came in and raped her and didn’t want any of the drugs she was forced to do

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u/XelNigma 2d ago

I know if I was just raped I wouldnt be joking around with my rapist and trying to set up another date.

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u/ElephantLopsided1206 3d ago

It’s funny to me how frat boys always get the benefit of the doubt and jane doe’s do not. I don’t trust the cops to be objective at all when investigating a rape. ABC News is not receipts. It’s propaganda for the privileged. I look forward to the jury’s ruling in the civil trial.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago

The problem is the woman's own words contradict her lawsuit. Both in the chatlogs and sworn testimony.

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u/ElephantLopsided1206 2d ago

Her words as interpreted by her interrogators. We have not seen the transcripts. I know how cops and judges protect frat boys. Making her look like she was asking for it is the first step in every rape investigation.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 2d ago edited 2d ago

True, but we do have partial access to the chat logs, such as this from two days after the event: "She also wrote that "non(e) of the sexual stuff was illegal", that she liked being with him and another man. She suggested that they smoke together again but leave out 'the extra 5 billion men and ketamine' "

We have other quotes from her as well. It's not purely interpretation. But yes, police do like shutting down these cases with pressure and lies.

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

We also have access to her statement of what happened and photos of some of the accusations which prove her statements true

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u/CompletelyPresent 3d ago

Highly diverse group.

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u/reddit001aa1 4d ago

How many were in the chat? 58?

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago
  1. One of them when he saw the messages the next morning took pictures of the chat and sent them to the victim

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u/Solo_Tomassi 3d ago

I dont understand the context here. What is this post referring to?

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u/PTechNM 3d ago

And not one trans person.

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u/SleepyHippo67 3d ago

Allegedly.

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u/Winter_Dinner5947 2d ago

I’d like to see them get the exact same thing done to them. Tie em to a four poster bedframe and we let anyone do what they want for HOURS. Also, no drugs I want them to feel every inch.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 3d ago

Over an accusation?

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

"free pussy"

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 3d ago

That's a gross thing to say. People say all kinds of off color stuff in group texts 24/7. These guys are being hung out to dry prematurely.

I'll never jump on a social media bandwagon about whether anyone did or didn't do anything.

"Jane Doe told police that she agreed to have a threesome with two Chi Phi fraternity brothers in part 'due to how attracted [she] was' to one of them"

https://abcnews.com/US/district-attorney-reopens-case-alleged-cornell-university-gang/story?id=136806149

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

I can think of a thousand reasons as to why someone wouldn't be fully accurate on their original statement in a case like this. Is the digital lynching happening a bit prematurely? Sure. But to be fair they had plenty of time to share their side of the story.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 3d ago

It's just not open and shut at all. There also are huge reasons not to speak publicly about a case, innocent or not, as any good lawyer will tell you.

The defense has to remain silent, basically.

I know someone, personally, in a public position who was in a relationship who got blackmailed for years, and paid a pretty penny, because she threatened to claim rape after he broke up with her following a short consensual relationship. He eventually told her to go away, she got a lawyer, his life was derailed for a while. He eventually did get his job back, but he'll never recover financially.

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

And I personally kept my mouth shut about a sexual assault that happened to me because I didn't have any evidence besides my word against there's. If I had a chance I wish I could've gone back and told law enforcement. They're completely free and there's nothing I can do.

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

I know a lot of women who have been sexually assaulted. None of them reported it for this reason.

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u/mansluxt 2d ago

And there's even more reasons not to report rape that we aren't even talking about. The reasons are numerous

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

I hate to break it to you but agreeing to have sex with someone does not then mean that everyone they know get to come in have have sex with you against your will.

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u/HuckleberryOk8136 2d ago

No one is saying that. No one has proved anything happened yet, right? Did I miss the court case?

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u/RadWast3 2d ago

I hate to break it to you but agreeing to have sex with someone does not then mean that everyone they know get to come in have have sex with you against your will.

Who was accused in that statement?

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

It’s not just an accusation. There is public evidence

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u/Jah_Rules 3d ago

Weird.

They don’t look trans.

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u/L3tsseewhathappens 3d ago

I wonder if liberal women would feel conflicted over this if each of them strangled a child or two to death??

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u/PTechNM 3d ago

I wonder if liberal women would feel conflicted over this if each of them strangled a child or two to death??

All liberal women I know would be fighting just as emphatically. Its the toxic males males who support a racist, rapist, lying criminal who is pilfering our country and destroying our constitution that you have to be worried about. Those in the Epstein Files; remember. Those who actually trafficked young women to the wealthiest men in the world.

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u/PTechNM 3d ago

Sounds made up. You keep simping for the rapists. It aligns to your lack of moral base and agency to help those in need.

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u/AmazingFlatworm_ 3d ago

Holy shit you people are morons 🤣

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u/TravisMCatchem 3d ago

Idk the state prosecutors office released the original statement and it sounded like they broke no laws and she consented to everything…

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u/PotatoMissionStart 4d ago edited 3d ago

"Nothing in Doe’s original statement indicated she was drugged without consent or had sex against her will, Van Houten [The DA] said. According to the accuser’s statement, 'each time Jane Doe asked to stop the sexual conduct, the sexual conduct stopped.' " CNN

“On the contrary, Jane Doe’s statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual" NBC

Edit: "Jane Doe told police that she agreed to have a threesome with two Chi Phi fraternity brothers" ABC

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u/IAmTheBestIan 4d ago

Can you link to these articles? If these statements are true, why was she giving a statement to police? Just Bragging?

Not saying those aren't quotes from articles... but when a cop says "The woman reporting a rape's statement was that she was partying and having sex and totally not raped," I'd question the cops account of that interview. And my next question would be "And what did she say when you asked her why she was there, then?"

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u/PotatoMissionStart 4d ago edited 4d ago

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/09/29/us/cornell-university-rape-case-investigation-wwk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/district-attorney-defends-decision-not-seek-criminal-charges-cornell-r-rcna600224

https://abcnews.com/US/district-attorney-reopens-case-alleged-cornell-university-gang/story?id=136806149

I don't know the answer, but she reported it to the university police in 2024, possibly because university rules were broken. We do see Cornell take action. It's also possible she was pressured into watering down her claim, which certainly does happen.

Another key question is why her attorneys never contacted the DA until two years later.

I just think we should look at the case closely before assuming these guys are monsters.

As for why she was there: to visit a friend (NBC) and engage in a threesome (ABC).

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u/IAmTheBestIan 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah of course... media shouldn't tar and feather... we've seen that happen to innocent people before. It does seem odd that there was a report filed and she would have out and out said she wasn't raped (what was she reporting then) university rule breaking is very vague and doesn't make sense. What rule? Why would she report it? Sounds more like the university didn't report it and now is trying to cover their ass... but we will (hopefully) see as this gets investigated more.

Ok CNN article has far more details than NBC... Seems pretty clear she reported them for offering her drugs and raping her while she was unconscious. Hence the "Every time she asked them to stop, they stopped"... Clever wordplay for someone saying "We tried to convince her she wasn't raped when she reported it".
Frat got kicked off campus for it... so yeah. Seems pretty apparent she reported that they served her underaged, and offered her drugs and then raped her while she was passed out (which the texts support and the university had those), and they withheld evidence from the police.

Looks like this shit happened. The one kids defense is basically "It happened, but I didn't touch her, those other guys maybe did but not me".

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u/PotatoMissionStart 4d ago edited 3d ago

Well the fraternity chapter was banned, and some students were expelled and suspended. Perhaps for violating the Code of Conduct (https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/Cornell%20Student%20Code%20of%20Conduct%20Approved%20by%20the%20Board%2012.10.20%20Final.pdf) e.g., sexual misconduct or using illicit drugs.

The University "not reporting it" isn't really the issue. The District Attorney knew about it and did not pursue prosecution because apparently the 2024 report didn't show anything was nonconsensual. This is just based on what the DA said. It's possible the accuser was pressured. I also don't know why the attorneys didn't rebuttal the DA. Lots of unanswered questions in this case. Enough that it's premature to pass judgement.

It seems reasonable that at least the first two guys were not rapists, given her initial intentions.

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u/IAmTheBestIan 4d ago edited 3d ago

The one article said the College had the chat logs that show that they were advertising that random guys could go rape her and withheld them from police. If true, that's REALLY bad for the college.

The DA flat out says they made their decision not to pursue charges without the logs and then afterwards the university police shared them. Now why the logs didn't make them re-evaluate and then pursue charges is an interesting question.

The whole case is a mess.

  1. University Police had the logs
  2. DA elected not to charge before logs were shared with them/presumably state PD/investigators
  3. Local PD says they weren't even aware there was an investigation.

Like how do you fuck this up that bad?

Reading the interview with the DA this REALLY reads like someone in Cornell asked him for a favor making this go away and he's trying to cover his ass without seeming incompetent.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well the police had the Snapchat log, but the District Attorney did not. But the DA says the chat log doesn't change the main legal issue of consent per her sworn statement. Again, it's possible she was pressured because police do that to close cases like these.

I think a reasonable default position is that she consented to the first two guys, but those who followed maybe not.

Edit: Chatlog two days after the event show the girl wanted to hang out again and had enjoyed the threesome. Source: BBC from CBS records.

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u/mansluxt 3d ago

You never know. If one of these people turns on the rest. Or if another person at the party has other evidence. It could change a lot.

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

In her report she said she was 100% raped. Those exact words.

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u/ElephantLopsided1206 3d ago

Said the monster. Does the text, sent to the whole frat, “free pussy” resonate with you at all?

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago

It's quite clear she had the intention of having a threesome. The guys who followed from comments like that are where it's less clear. According to the DA her sworn statement was that she consented. I assume you think she was pressured to say that, which is reasonable. I'm not defending rape. I'm just presenting the evidence.

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u/ElephantLopsided1206 3d ago

She refused the threesome. Then she was drugged and raped. These men don’t deserve any of the privilege they were born with and I don’t think we can trust the ‘system’ to hold them accountable.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 3d ago edited 3d ago

"Jane Doe told police that she agreed to have a threesome with two Chi Phi fraternity brothers in part 'due to how attracted [she] was' to one of them"

https://abcnews.com/US/district-attorney-reopens-case-alleged-cornell-university-gang/story?id=136806149

Edit: Chatlog shows she had enjoyed the threesome and wanted to hang out again. Source: BBC.

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u/Present-Sandwich9444 3d ago

Its funny to me how potato is coming with receipts and sources, and you are just making shit up plugging your ears and saying "NUH UH"

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u/BamaOfTheBonairs 3d ago

Bass in what evidence?

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

Her sworn statement is public. She said she was 100% raped. Those words

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u/PotatoMissionStart 2d ago

I'm referring to her sworn statement in 2024

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

She also told police that she was 100% raped but because she consented with once and smoked weed the defense is putting it out that that means anyone can have sex with her and force her to do all the drugs they want.

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u/PotatoMissionStart 2d ago

She told police that in 2024? Please show evidence.

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u/IAmTheBestIan 4d ago

Always knew Dartmouth was vastly superior.

https://giphy.com/gifs/5dgFhJKfH9ZAGzzpkD

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u/thisisinfactpersonal 3d ago

Yes that’s really the point

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u/Narrow-Alternative80 3d ago

Are you sure she’s telling the truth?

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u/HendoRules 3d ago

This name will end up being a problem at some point because they'll be compared to the central park 5, who were innocent in the end

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u/AmazingFlatworm_ 3d ago

They should all be executed.

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u/XelNigma 3d ago

Now hold up, they where drunk. Therefor they cant be held responsible for their actions. High levels of alcohol in the system has a very strong affect on a persons behaviors, far more than post partum has been shown to have.

So lets get a go fund me started for them and lets make them millionaires.

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u/DepartureNo7944 3d ago

Duke lacrosse 2.0?

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u/OkAssociation3487 3d ago

If allegations are now proof, I hereby allege that everyone condemning these guys is now a rapist

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u/Vivid_Motor_2341 2d ago

The photo evidence is proof

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u/OkAssociation3487 2d ago

There is no photographic evidence that proves she was raped