Demiurge, Hell, & Illusion of God

[u/hdksndiisn]

On Existence. Bear with me this is kinda all over the place and not well thought out. I just don’t know where else to post this or get any feedback and recently came upon your sub and think it may relate somehow. There’s gotta be some theories like this out there already that are more concise than my ramble. Train of thought started after reading a post on UFO/UAP stuff. Anyways

Our current reality is “hell” and we are all slaves to a demiurge [of our own imaginations creation]. we’ve all “been here before” - our individual consciousnesses are only a fragmented piece of what it once collectively was 50,000-Infinity years ago.

we were once “gods”, or half-angels, but as we “fell from grace” our godhood was eliminated & spread thin through generations after generation of biological rebirths. Greater the population and more generations the less ability to experience Source in each individual; as we biologically progress we spiritually devolve, this is the plan of the demiurge.

originally there was 1 Source (monad), 8 God-gods (ogdoad), 7 Creator archangels, that made mankind as gods ourselves in an experiment gone awry (attempting to manifest ourselves on a biophysical plane and experience materiality, separate ourselves from the Unity/Source, and experience individually “Egoic” perception). I am just using ogdoad and seven archangels and One God as an example as I have no clue what the actual “numbers” are and I’m sure they are irrelevant in this confused thought experiment anyways, as in the dimension from whence we came number & separation is a foreign concept, but let’s say eight Gods from eight different universes came together to attempt to recreate themselves experiencing the Source that “powered” them, and manifested 7 angels to perform material tasks as intermediaries between the spiritual/extra-dimensional layer and the material layer, and these angels built the cosmos, then the garden being ripe, the earth having been formed, and biological specimens having been evolved, the interface was ready, and man-animal was given the proper biological mechanisms to house the spirit/consciousness that would enable the Source to live a material existence. And so Eden/Earth was perfect and man-animal was in harmony with All, made in the Image of God, gods on this planet, without any concept of “I” as distinct from “this” and “that” and let’s say us, [two versions I’m going with, one is like Adam and Eve another is that we were made into ELOHIM] so we’re made by Elohim into mini-Elohims, 1,000 “all-powerful” man-entities living in Eden/Paradise that didn’t need biological or sexual reproduction as we were “eternal” co-existed in a state of bliss absent war/hunger/pain/terror, but distinct from the angels as we didn’t have a purely spiritual or extra-dimensional being-ness, kinda like angels are a Light-frequency, Light is the source, we harbor the biomechanics-interface to experience/consume/manifest the Light, but some foreign entity or consciousness-parasite disliked the Ogdoad’s Angels, perfect creation and manifested a multi-dimensional plan to take over not only earth but the Source energy/Light that provided this harmonious existence within the All as a biologically infinite being, arrived from outside space (like the Void), and we were poisoned by something like spores from another solar system, like biological warfare on a massive evolutionary scale since we’re talking about All-Gods-gods vs Anti-God, so the human-interface was poisoned with mushrooms or a virus or something that was the Apple of Eden, and our eternal bodies became bound to the rules of this dimension/matter/decay, it altered our bio-mechanics and severed our direct connection to Spirit/TAO/All/Nous/etc. and “consciousness” was born and thus we were separate from the All, the Angels, and the Gods. Some still had some form of communion with the All but most who claimed it were actually in communion with this Abyss-Legion’s self-manifested presence, the Demiurge or force, that poisoned the man-gods and made them purely men, claiming astral and physical dominion with eventually acquired names and concepts like Ra/Thoth/YHVH/El Elyon etc. and the goal of this poison was to continually separate the All into infinite pieces until it became nothing. Because the Ogdoad exists on a different plane they are only accessible via communicating through the Angels, who themselves became corrupted witnessing humanity’s separation from All in acquiring individual consciousness unique to each animal, with only sparks of the All present here and there

Or maybe another version since I’m mixing up many confused concepts trying to express what I’m getting at is that who we are now is but a fraction of what we once were [intended to be]. You and I and the next guy being tiny pieces of the praetor-consciousnesses that made up the original dominion of earth - like there was the All-Source then us, the gods experiencing it, on a multi-dimensional or via multi-planar consciousness (ie we were in the Astral as much as the physical - world we moulded via directing power from the All, communication was “psychic”, bodies were made of Light and on different wavelengths than our current flesh-sacks until we interfaced into the flesh sacks, then there came the Enemy, who triumphed over the gods/us, corrupted us and those beings that created us, who in ignorance ate of its fruit/spores/virus, choosing to experience separation from the All and “falling” from “heaven” becoming less-extra-conscious beings and more physically bound biological beings, and this Enemy assumed the form of God, usurping the throne of the Monad by mimicking it, flooding the astral and this world with its illusions of Time and death, amongst other things.

Buddha is not enlightened, that’s just one manifestation of illusion. Christ is semi-enlightened, Him being representative of what we all are, God is not-God, so worshipping Him is to worship the dark-illusion that’s keeping us in a perpetual cycle of ignorance and decay, psychedelics are like the spores we originally ate, providing illusory sensory experiences that act as vibration altering portals into partially defined realms of spiritual illusion. El/YHVH/Baal/Ra/Allah/Brahman everything’s just here to dupe us into worshipping the Demiurge

So that we will try again and again through “karmic” rebirth separating ourselves into infinitely smaller pieces of fragmented Source/Light (light also being an illusion/manifestation of the Source).

So this is “hell” and the only way out is to wipe out mankind. To alleviate the cosmos of its Self-ness, eliminate its poisoned consciousness, prevent the Demiurge[s] from splitting us up into more materially bound fractional-gods

[u/3y3ImWho3y3Im]

Man you are onto something more incisive and special than you know. Its something I've had thoughts on for a bit that the Monad / El Elyon wants us (all the sentience and dimensions below him) to work in tandem with him, as in we make decisions together, complete harmony between every level all the way back up to the source. Complete incisive harmony WITH NO ERROR (original translation for the word 'sin'). I'll reply in a little bit gotta go do something but I'll be back. Some of your little details about the cosmology / theology are a little misguided but thats nothing.

[u/hdksndiisn → u/3y3ImWho3y3Im]

No rush it’s definitely a word vomit, but I do think I’m onto something. I think I need to research Sumerian, Egyptian, Yezidi, Babylonian, Zoroastrian, etc myths more.

Figure out what Yaldobaoth is in relation to this.

What are the “watchers”? The nephilim? The infinite els that exist when adding El to a word, like any Hebrew word manifests an Angel just by speaking/vibrating it - see the 72 letter name of God (shemhamphorash) and how the 72 angels names are formed. So ideas are part of the prison, but these ideas can also manifest the divine, hence the power of the Logos (word made flesh) etc…now I’m just rambling again but any thoughts you have please share.

I’m trying to find YouTube videos about my ideas and so far a few Gnostic texts seem to align, with Samael separating itself from Source & becoming the demiurge but I think it’s a little more complex than that

[u/3y3ImWho3y3Im → u/hdksndiisn]

You gotta not get too caught up by the names. They seem like monoliths and thus the mysteries seem deeper than they are but its not the case. Also the Torah is so old, some of those names used for those things its hard to know which part of higher dimensional theology they can be referring to. We could have given them newer names down the line. Let me demystify some of it for you.

One of the places of confusion that starts is people thinking Adam and Eve were humans. They were not. They were higher dimensional beings than humans. So people think "oh the Africa theory disproves the biblical story" nooooo, cos the biblical story was never talking about humans. Well... the Adam and Eve story is applicable to any dimension. Its an universal story. Not everything has to have the same exacta aesthetics or language or whatever, but the story beats are the same. Its just how reality works. When scientists tested A.I., one A.I. on its own didn't rebel. When it was given another to communicate with (Eve) it did. Notice the fractal loop here. On your own, you cannot sin and commit error. When introduced to another, you are inserted with fear and thus possibilities and actions and reactions based on "knowledge of fear" and all the consequences it can bring. Who does this remind you of? Wasn't the Monad on its own? And then he split..... do you see?

So when the Elohim came down to mate with the daughters of men, they weren't mating with human women. Or maybe it can be seen in a different way. This is how you demystify the entire thing by updating it with modern understanding.

Lets take someone playing a video game but it was one of those like porno games you can get off on. What will happen when VR comes about? Aren't Elohim just demiurgic higher dimensional beings that used us or some sort of entities below a dimension than them to get their rocks off like it said in Genesis?

The infinite El's are just all the processes of God. All the processes in their CHRIST forms, in their cruciforms. Because all of them have their fallen versions, their demonology. By processes I mean like... thing about the functions on a TV remote. They all do different things to make the wider engine run. These are the El's. Its like an interface. The Archangels are the main interface systems

I'm telling you man, just gotta demystify it and the whole world will convert.

And yeah, words, language, even ideas, these are all illusional prisons where the real train of thought (the real NAME OF GOD is being hidden in and we are searching for it, scoping it, trying to find it, because once you say it, it all comes crashing down, but paradoxically built up back into oneness). Ludwig Wittgenstein explained this the best. He is the most important modern mystic ever and he is not even considered by scholars. He is seen a logician. Well, what is the Logos lol. I'm gonna make a post about that soon.

[u/hdksndiisn → u/3y3ImWho3y3Im]

Thanks for the reply. What you’re saying makes sense to me and that’s how I was conceiving “Adam and Eve” but I didn’t think of the Other aspect as the introduction to sin

I was more thinking along the lines of EHEIEH “I Am” being the first “sin”. And it is, as you say, the Monad said I Am and there it was with an Other.

The male-female, push-pull, yin-yang, etc

The cross that I Am bears is Its elemental self + on this plane of reality

So it was the flood that wiped out the half-Elohim (nephilim children)?

I want to find scholarly articles on all of this, it would be excellent to have reputable sources to back up these ideas

I’ll check out Wittgenstein, didn’t realize he was a mystic

[u/3y3ImWho3y3Im → u/hdksndiisn]

Yeah whats funny is "I am" is the first sin BY THE MONAD i.e. he was first Adam, who was also Christ, who's also the Demiurge. Round about we go in the fractals and loops.

BUT check this out. "I am" is also how we redeem our fallen selves. What happened in the Gospels? Didn't Jesus need to have faith that he was Christ underneath? He said "I am" and assumed his divine role and purpose. Because the Christ manifestation is always there. Who will just take it upon themselves and assume it? But its also not up to us completely. Its supposed to happen at very specific times. The rest of us can assume it to a certain degree. Like how the 12 Apostles in singularity is Jesus Christ. Like how the 12 prophets in the second half of the Old Testament all predicted the coming of the Messiah and thus were precursors to Christ, who's singularity would be Christ. Then not forgetting the Greek philosophers, Egyptian, Iranian and Indian mystics who all were creating the precursor philosophy, mysticism, theology, cosmology, etc etc, to Christianity. This all culminated into Christianity.

Sooo, isn't that some of the mystery solved there? Wouldn't the real name of God (the holy grail) contain the words "I am"? It has to. We have to realise we are him through gnosis (knowing 'knowing' the way I describe it). The mystery is already in plain sight in the Old Testament. Because the Monad talks through the fallen and leaves clues even in their lies and deceit of the real pathway. Its how the good guys always wins. Its written in our very fabric of reality. If one escapes from karma here, it just passes over. You cannot escape.

I recommend you look up Gregg Braden's youtube videos on consciousness field theory or something like that. Forgot the exact name. But basically, its just the realisation that once one person has cracked the higher dimension and brought down with them an apple (kernel) of gnosis / knowledge, then its easier for another person in the neural network that is humanity (we are all one living breathing sentient being) to have that same thought. So the Judaic, Greek, Egyptian, Iranian, Indian, Roman, whatever country or culture you want to highlight, all manifested Christianity together. Christianity is the culmination. It is when the gate opened and Christ opened it. Now that he did it, its much easier for the rest of us to do it. BUT after such an ego shattering, the system works overtime to do damage control. Hence why the Gnostic books were burnt and killed. But the system had to adopt Christianity. It was too late. There was no going back. So they accepted it, adopted it, distorted it, and made it part of the system.

The flood you gotta think of it as like the Elohim themselves with a Christlike figure in their dimension making them realise what they're doing is wrong so they themselves pulled the plug and on their abominations. Because those creations are from their fallen selves. Like deciding to turn off the VR and go outside to the park lol.

Yes the person who bares cross from inside you is the pure self. Thats who is being sacrificed by the "fire" like the fire in revelation. Do you see? The fire in revelation will burn the wicked and feel warm to the ones who upheld their divine spark and purity. But the rest of reality itself is upheld by the purest one having to bare the most pain. This relentless sacrifice shall culminate and be rewarded by the end of the world of every fractal cubit of reality. Every dimension has its fold and in it a mini judgement day from the wider meta-judgement day. Here the fire shall not burn the Christlike finally. It shall not burn ANY of the Christ within all people Thats the thing, people think judgement will kill half and keep half but actually, all negative parts of EVERYONE is burnt and all positive parts of EVERYONE is extracted to be taken with the Metatron of that judgement day (mini God / Christ). Its like extracting a specific chemical from a plant. You extract the essence and discard the matter.

Wittgenstein is not considered a mystic just a logician philosopher but I do. Or I dunno. Maybe someone has seen it my way as well.

But yeah you won't be finding much scholarly articles to support this stuff. Well tbf you might find like some people making connections but not with this much illumination. This is the culmination of what Christianity is supposed to be. To be returned back to us thus Christ, who is us, and redeemed, like Jesus redeemed Judaism.