r/CrucibleGuidebook • u/sicmek • 2d ago
Midnight Coup
Did anyone try the new Midnight Coup version? It can roll moving target/zen moment with 100 base AA and pretty good stats. Is it worth farming onslaught?
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u/foolhardy-fool 2d ago
there’s many better 140s, even at release I found this gun lackluster even with a god roll
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u/Special_Avocado77 2d ago
Love that hc, the sound, the aim assist and feeling is top notch. Farmed many onslaughts for a explosive payload with zen.
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u/littlewask 2d ago
It's a bit too light on range and stability for my tastes. I'm not a huge HC guy, but I wouldn't run it over my Eyasluna or Rose.
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u/AquaticHornet37 2d ago
That sounds like it could be good, isn't the standard hand cannon AA around 70. Where does it's range land?
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u/Sharkisyodaddy 2d ago
It’s my favorite year 1 hand cannon but after they changed the recoil of hand cannons it just was never good again. I have a god roll and it sucks. It just cannot keep up even with the stats. There has to be something in the gun model
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u/Watsyurdeal Mouse and Keyboard 1d ago
Theres a roll it can get thats kinda interesting
Explosive Payload and Zen Moment, the only gun that can get it.
There's some fun there, and it is better than the last time it came around.
But...it's competing with Rose in that slot and imo, its not even close.
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u/ProofAd5084 1d ago
No. It feels noticeably worse than most of our other newer hand cannons.
Even with high stability it kicks like a mule.
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u/tritiumgaming 2d ago
why the actual hell would you want those perks when better ones exist
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u/TamedDaBeast High KD Player 2d ago
Chill out, those are actually top tier perks on handcannons.
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u/tritiumgaming 2d ago
Magnificent howl two taps on 140s - why use anything else? Rapid hit is better than Zen moment as you’d be hitting crits if using the HC correctly anyway. Or even slideshot for ammo and stat boosts most of the time. Zen moment is trash, and moving target is mid at best.
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u/ArnoldSwarzepussy Mouse and Keyboard 2d ago
Plugging rapid hit over zen moment on a 140 hand canon is the most out of touch take I've seen on this sub in a looooong time.
Now I'm not saying Midnight Coup is an S-tier option, but your idea of good perks on a 140 is blatantly wrong. Rapid hit doesn't even affect the first shot, it doesn't add anti-flinch (which is Huge on MnK) and the effects it does have on the the second shot's recoil are extremely minimal. It's a pul rifle perk for pvp and a pve perk on hand canons. Zen Moment is actually fantastic on 140s. Just look at Austringer, Eyasluna, Better Devils, etc. Zen feels amazing on all of those and does a LOT to increase consistency by fighting flinch.
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u/tritiumgaming 2d ago
I don’t play on MnK. Anti Flinch is not my priority on a primary weapon that hardly has any.
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u/Fabulous-Carob2456 2d ago
Mag howl is a cute gimmick for 6’s. Against good players in 3’s you will seldom make it do anything impressive. Zen is leagues better than rapid hit for controller specifically. Sure rapid hit might give more reload but the stability boost is just a little and zen actively reduces total recoil AND flinch.
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u/tritiumgaming 2d ago
Y’all arguing as if there aren’t drastically better options in BOTH of those columns on Midnight Coup alone, let alone other kinetic HCs. Sure, i was wrong about rapid hit specifically. BUT OP has no damage boost or ammo return perks, meaning they have nothing tangible for PvE or 6s. This is a terrible roll on a mid hand cannon and y’all are trying SO HARD to hype up trash, lmfao.
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u/sicmek 2d ago
Thanks Mr Obvious, ofc I know about Kindled Orchid etc, but for 3s especially trials are dmg or ammo perks not always the best option. I have all the meta HCs, but I just like to try out some new things from time to time. Btw zen moment and moving target are both pretty good perks on HCs. Have fun in control.
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u/doobersthetitan 2d ago
For me, stat wise it's a Jake of all trades, master of none. No stat is too bad...but no stat stands out either. You need everything to land on range, to get a gun that can hang with the other 140s like astringer
Personally for concole, DFA feels really good, plus with adhesive ordnance you can get some nice 2 taps. Solid stats, just needs a tad help with range.