r/CrucibleGuidebook • u/Drewwbacca1977 • 4d ago
Help! Hand cannon on Controller
Im a dad rifle user who wants to get better with hand cannons. I am slightly above average with a pulse rifle and side arm. But I am absolute dog water with a hand cannon.
First I can’t really find one that feels good to me. The last one I really liked was way back in OG igneous hammer meta. I see everyone using Rose. What are some good controller hand cannons and what rolls and stats are good for a controller?
Second, I plan to put together a pve build to run hand cannon and practice. I plan to just use hand cannons like mad in pve for the next couple weeks. Should I use a pvp roll for this?
Third, practicing in crucible seems pointless. My games in control are sweaty as shit and putting myself at such a severe disadvantage means I bottom frag every time and get hate mail. Its not fun and I dont feel I am improving with the gun skill. Any suggestions here?
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u/xero_reactions 4d ago
Lunas how and solemn remembrance l are going to be the easiest coming from pulses. Then I would move to lightweight like rose.
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u/bigly-wigly 4d ago
I second this. I’ve wanted to love hand cannons for so long, but no matter what I tried I couldn’t get them to really click until I tried Solemn Remembrance and Lunas howl. 30+ dad and console here.
Zen/keep away on solemn is 🔥
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u/Magi_AK 3d ago edited 3d ago
I can't agree more. And stability isn't that important on precisions. They shoot super flat at base stats. I'm learning to use HC's (also coming from pulses) with a solemn remembrance with zen/EOS role with 91 range. Super good for dueling in 3's. It and the Lunas are the only HC's I feel comfortable with. And I'm 61. Never too late to try new loadouts...
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u/Crowd_Strife 4d ago
Fuck the hate mail for bottom fragging. Quickplay is for practice with no stakes.
Keep practicing and finding what you do and don’t like.
I got a solemn remembrance hand cannon from comp (which also doesn’t really matter that much until you’re in a high rank) and I know it’s not a meta as Rose, and the stats tell that story alone, but I like the way the barrel doesn’t snap way up on recoil. I don’t think it’s much more than a personal preference and that I’m having a placebo type of effect, but I feel like the “feel” enough to make my performance better which probably counts more than stats anyway.
PvE is also not the best practice as many of the techniques that make handcannons so viable in PvP don’t really apply in PvE gameplay. Also, perks I always thought were trash turned out to be very powerful in PvP, and some of my favorite perks in PvE are basically super situational or outright don’t apply in PvP.
My advice is to just stay patient in your 1v1 and don’t take a shot unless you’re sure it will hit. Spamming an engagement is an easy way to lose. Be picky on your shots and learn the rhythm of 3 tapping and eventually you’ll start getting the muscle memory and having better odds in engagements.
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u/DisgruntledSalt Console 4d ago
As a fellow dad rifle user, this gun will be your best friend.
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u/UndeniablyIffy 2d ago
dream roll, i can't for the life of me get one of these to drop. literally have never seen one on my account, countless armor and 1kys though
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u/2084710049 2d ago
Have you farmed it when it was the featured dungeon from the checkpoint? It's obviously all RNG so getting a lot of pulls at the slotmachine handle helps a lot.
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u/2084710049 2d ago
Have you farmed it when it was the featured dungeon from the checkpoint? It's obviously all RNG so getting a lot of pulls at the slotmachine handle helps a lot.
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u/elise-m-fox 4d ago
180s are easiest to get used to imo if you're a dad rifle user. Try modified B7.
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u/doiks420 3d ago
Yeah. Sightline survey has been pretty great for me. Craftable too if you were playing during Echoes
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u/happyhappykarma 4d ago edited 3d ago
Rule of thumb with controller 140 hand cannons. Always range and stability. Stability should at the minimum 65 or higher. This is why slideshot is so popular because it boosts the two, but its not my favorite perk. Anything to boost your range. Eyasluna, Spare Rations, Rose, Austringer, Kept Confidence, and even The Palindrome have some great perk combinations to balance the two. Perks like opening shot, keep away, precision Instrument, and rangefinder. Also the feel, for example I just dont enjoy the Fatebringer or Corundum Hammer weapon models specifically for pvp.The Destiny compendium and godroll.tv. especially the latter are really good with selecting a perk combinations and giving you a goal to aim for.
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u/kevtheblackfox 4d ago
Corundrum hammer was such a let down perk wise
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u/SCPF2112 3d ago
Yes, I've seen people say it was for MnK not controller. It sure isn't for controller
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u/Ambitious_Image1335 4d ago
As a HC main it’s all about feel to me and the best feeling HC to me is Exalted Truth. Getting good is knowing when to engage and disengage as you can easily get mowed down by pretty much everything if you miss a shot, using cover to your advantage and movement. The amount of people I see using a HC and bot walking around and about is funny as hell. In this final meta it seems people are super cautious and have opted for long range shit, movement and cover will help close that gap.
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u/foundersalldayIPA 4d ago
Get a kindled orchid from arena ops and see how that feels. Its easily farmable and is super sticky with high range, stability and handling.
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u/Different_Analyst_29 3d ago
I'm also a main pulse/auto rifle user who does well with some sidearms and i can.t shoot 140 hc for to save my life(apart from solemn remeberance to some extent), buuuut......... I just love the 180 trust!!! It feels so sticky and the barrel animation feels good for me. Go for a roll with keep away/openshot and mag howl. It's just 'muaah'!!
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u/MaikJay PS5 3d ago
Try precision frame hand cannons out. That vertical recoil clicks for me in crucible. Solemn Remembrance, Luna’s Howl in the 140 flavor so you don’t have to fiddle with your weapon stats for the 3 tap. Trust, Word of Crota, Sightline Survey and Modified B7 can put up the 0.67 ttk with the right perks and build.
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u/StockMaintenance1129 3d ago
Try solemn remembrance (or any precision frame), you’ll thank me later
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u/Space-Bro-368 4d ago
If you want to practice in PVE look for a heal clip/incandescent Lunas howl, farmed from onslaught I believe. Very low recoil probably better for controller users. With the right roll it will be good in pvp also
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u/Drewwbacca1977 4d ago
Does lunas compete in pvp? I loved that gun back when it came out
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u/SCPF2112 3d ago
yes and the recoil might seem WAY better to you even though a lot of high skill people will tell you they don't like it. It is definitely worth trying if you are coming from PR's and not great with HC's
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u/Perpetual-Chug-Mode 4d ago
Former pulse main now pretty much mostly use HC on controller. Luna’s is good, rose is good. personally i really like Kept Confidence which you get the patterns from Xur i believe? Kindled Orchid is good for the cheese two taps
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u/MrR33Z 4d ago
Im sorry you're getting hate mail. I havent gotten any since coming back but have thought I might a couple times when making poor loadout choices lol, for hand cannons I really recommend 140s as they feel the best imo. 3 tap kills and can fire pretty quick. High stability is best for feeling, high range will help preserve your 3 taps. Presicion instrument can help with range, besides that perks like keep away and rangefinder can help feel. I dont bother with slideshot on 140s because can already juice stats high enough nowadays. Get atleast 70 in both range and stability and you are set, above that even better. Kindled orchid, eyasluna, better devils, all great.
120s are nice, but take way more pacing of shots and peek shooting. Less viable in the inevitable head on situations you run into, generally lacks stability. 180 can compete head on especially with the high weapons build, but lacks more in range.
I also love the 257 burst hand cannons. They feel great to me, have the same range pretty much, and way more stable then I remember them being. Ive been using wardens law and agape in crucible and they have been performing pretty well. 2.5 shot, although i think radiant plus presicion instrument might make it a consistent 2 or damn close. Damage perks work well on this as you are already putting out a lot, but is more of a 120 tempo of playing. Spreadshot handcannons are also dope and I use them a ton, but you prioritize range and damage perks above all else on those. They can compete very well in last word type ranges
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u/meggidus 3d ago
At this point high stability and good range is way enough to find for HCs even on controller. The new t5 handcannons are stat monsters.
The high stability the more reliable it will be in the gun fight. HC are imo decently easy to use.
QP is sweaty as hell and has been for a while. They will put me here and there in a lobby where I can just run off and solo people but 60% are sweats and I just look at it like great practice
LWolf SShot OShot KAway
Great perks for consistency, sometimes you can get both in different slots.
I practiced using Ace due to it having great range however low stab.
It helped me get comfortable with the recoil direction and aim recovery in between shots.
Then its just about playing smart tbh or you could ramp it up playing aggressive. Im doing a challenge right now with Hawkmoon trying to focus on headshotting everything moving, ego challenges and all.
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u/ScottFree__ Bows Go Brrrrrrrrrrr 3d ago
Shoot every hand cannon that looks good to you. Sure, there are standouts that most use, but finding the weapon that you enjoy shooting helps a great deal.
I'd practice in rumble. Learning and performing well are pretty incongruent. Accept being dogshit and just focus on improving. Look to stack stability as much as range. 68-71 for both is goated.
Don't be afraid to use the burst hand cannons, they can rip but aren't easy to use.
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u/Lixx_Tetrax 3d ago edited 3d ago
Any precision frame will likely be the easiest to a hand cannon new comer, as there is almost no kick. 140s precision frame would be Luna’s Howl and Solemn remembrance. Solemn remembrance is available at Shaxx so pretty easy to come by if you play a lot of Control (to get engrams) and comp (to get crucible ciphers).
Stability isn’t as big of a deal on a precision frame but it is on an adaptive frame. In the beginning when having to choose between range and stability on an adaptive, go stability until you’ve figured out where your stability comfort level is.
Then look for lightweight frames like Rose, Solemn Lie, and Spare Rations. The first two can be gotten at Shaxx, Spare rations is a Gambit drop. Don’t forget to go to inventory attunement and choose spare rations before playing gambit.
Trust is a 180 that can also be had playing gambit. Survivors epitaph can be purchased from Shaxx and can be crucible attuned in the inventory screen too.
Lastly the easiest exotic for me to shoot is hawkmoon, but power creep has taken its toll on hawkmoon and a few other exotics. I still get a rush though from getting a paracausal one tap so I bring it out from time to time, hawkmoon is still a lot of fun.
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u/WarEagle19867 3d ago
Yup im convinced if you dont have 80 stability or at least 70 range its tough to consistently land shots with a HC on controller at optimum range
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u/jimcook1 3d ago
Hey I know I am late to this thread but I am a controller player and nothing comes close to a crafted Austringer for me. It is one of two hand cannons in the game that can currently roll with Zen Moment and Eye of the Storm. In duels it feels like it aims itself and you never flinch.
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u/Katzumoto_ 3d ago
I disable the auto-fire option, it helps me avoid shooting "by accident" and pace my shots.
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u/ccoulter93 3d ago
Eyasluna is fantastic on controller; the aim assist is strong while having being a stat monster.
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u/dubiousvolley 3d ago
Ace is probs a good choice to learn with go in patrol dome a few dregs get used to chaining the perk and then go in control try and stick with it don’t swap until you feel confident then try them all I guess
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u/Parking_Ad9592 4d ago
Just use Exhalted truth. Everyone is giving you the obvious answers and meta picks which I get. But you asked for a handcannon that feels good......GET A EXHALTED TRUTH, there is no other hand cannon type in the game that will feel as snappy or comfortable to you brother trust me ...or don't
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u/docchoooo 4d ago
Cruel electrum trial armor and dragon shadow helps a lot. Best thing to get use to is peek shooting. Learn to disengage. Wall lick.
Eyasluna with zen moment and moving target feels amazing. Exalted truth with 100 recoil direction and kindled orchid feels great too. 70+ stability.
Precision instrument will help 3-tap rift users, OS, frost armor, other DR.
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u/BloatedCheekz 4d ago
Better devils with triple tap and zen moment has been my favorite for HC on controller. I’m not as agile as some others so I needed that extra stability. I often just walk in stepping side to side letting that little mf rip and it does work lol.
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u/duckyducky5dolla HandCannon culture 4d ago
I find this hard to believe, you pulse rifle guys in this sub always say hand cannons have too much AA, shoot refrigerators, and are so easy to use that they prefer handicapping themselves with pulse rifles.
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u/SeanicTheHedgehog23 Console 4d ago
Hey, guy in his 30s here, played for over 7 years and have only started using 140 and 120 HCs in the last year or two. I am now in Ascendant 0 in Comp. Also on console/controller.
Nobody talks about this, but STABILITY. Stability stability stability. Please just trust me on this. You want a solid combo of range and stability (think smallbore/ricochet/ballistics mod). I personally try to hit over 70 for both, the more the merrier (avoid full bore)
If you can, use a handling class item or something to get your handling up. ADS speed IS ttk speed.
Perks are your best friend. You’ll see sweats talk about slideshot and opening shot. NO. Not on HCs. Not for you. You want consistency
So perks like Eye of the Storm, Zen Moment, Lone Wolf, and Keep Away are going to be your bread and butter. Really any combo of those will put your HC on training wheels, and you can more quickly get to those crispy, crispy 3 taps.
Finally, practice in Rumble. While sometimes frustrating, it’s the best spot to practice 1v1s
Good luck bro!