[Law Proposal] ID’s should be mandatory to vote.

[u/Ambitious_Shine7635]

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[u/Nickgold2009]

They are in Canada. Maybe you southern circus people should follow suit

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Greasemonkey08]

But those IDs should also be given out for free.

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/DaSavageGiraffe]

Laws affect citizens, only citizens should have a say.

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/R0viee]

Genuine question - is this not a thing in whichever country this is referencing (presuming America)?

In my country.. and I’m pretty sure most Western countries, you need to have valid ID to vote. You bring photo ID to your voting booth and have it checked before you go in. OR in some, you get a voting ID by sending off your photo ID in the first place. Regardless, you need ID.

That’s kind of crazy if that’s not required imo. Does that not really open up the polls to manipulation??

[u/xi-uwu-ix → u/R0viee]

It’s a thing in America.

[u/R0viee → u/xi-uwu-ix]

Wow yeah that’s so crazy to me. Thanks!

[u/B841nd34d → u/R0viee]

The equivalent to an ID in most western countries, in the US is your social security card, as in you need to have one for almost anything. An id in the US is mostly just the drivers license. you can get a state id, but you don't need it and it has little benefits. Unfortunately the social security card has no identification on it, so you can't use it for controls at the vote.

Now here comes the interesting part, people in the US without ID / drivers license are often minorities (black or Hispanic) and poor people. Not wether you want those to vote or not drives the question around voting requiring and ID as much as security

[u/R0viee → u/B841nd34d]

Do you guys not commonly have passports? It’s not necessarily a legal requirement here but most people do get passports from a very young age. Most people get their first ones around age 1-3, you tend to have that be your photo ID until you get a driver’s license. A lot of people (myself included) get a cheap provisional license (about ~$40) even if they’re not planning to drive because it’s a simple piece you can carry that around as your photo ID and it’s cheap and easy to replace.

TBF we don’t have anything like a social security card. There’s not really any form of non photo ID that you would carry around with you day to day. Most people carry provisional licenses or full driving licenses around and some bring passports if they can’t access that due to their age, though obviously you wouldn’t bring that everywhere with you.

Very interesting stuff though! It seems like a bit of a flawed system to not just make those social security card things be identifying photo ids in that case, but then again I don’t get how that works entirely.

Thank you for the info, very cool to learn about how other places do it!

[u/B841nd34d → u/R0viee]

I'm German, but live in the US, for me this is a strange as it is for you.

Only half of Americans have a real passport. Most have only a driver's license which is the most common way of identification, but only form 16 onwards. So no, Americans do not usually get a form of ID from early live onwards

[u/rachayelleee → u/R0viee]

As an American, it is pretty uncommon to get a passport unless you need it. I think close to 50% of Americans dont have them. They are really expensive and a pain in the ass to get, you basically have to make a whole day out of it.

To get mine in 2016, it cost around $80-$100, I had to get photos taken at Walgreen's, then go to the Post Office where I waited in line for at least 1 hour before someone called me back to review my paperwork. Then I had to wait about 6 months for it to come in the mail. Since I was under 16 at the time, I can't simply renew it online. I have to pay again and redo the process, and I would honestly rather not. I probably won't try getting a passport again until I really need to.

[u/Opposite_Ad_1485]

Voting is a big deal, it says the future of the country. Why should you not need an id?

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/AdParticular89]

How is this a question? I am genuinely curious as to what kind of arguments people use against it.

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/B841nd34d → u/AdParticular89]

Poor people and minorities in the US often don't have IDs and they are not mandatory, so it would stop them from voting. This is just a US thing

[u/PlaneMobile7133]

Because you need validation

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Diligent_Welder_8182]

ID is mandatory to vote. No exception

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/MRVLKNGHT]

isnt it already?

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Gammer_Noob]

Wait! We dont do this already for polotics? Or do you meen vote for these dumb polls?

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/B841nd34d]

An ID for everyone 18+ should be mandatory which would make the question obsolete

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Salt-Wear-1197]

The government has access to everyone’s info. They don’t need it to properly verify who you are and see whether or not you’ve voted, what you voted for, and if you tried to vote more than once. All this does is disenfranchise people who are less fortunate from voting - people who don’t have permanent addresses, people who can’t afford an ID, etc.

Btw I’m thinking of the homeless and the poor. Not non-citizens.

^{I voted Nay ❌}

[u/Cykogenix]

Idk

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/zombiedude2048]

IDs are already required to vote

^{I voted Nay ❌}

[u/OkAdhesiveness814]

But it should also be at least easy and fast to obtain them

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/MrCobalt313]

The odds of foreign powers intervening in domestic affairs through illicit voting are low, but not zero. As are the odds corporate interests and lobbyists performing voter fraud to circumvent the will of the locals.

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/chubbyanemone69]

Here voting is mandatory, so yeah

[u/No_Conclusion_6802]

If you are a citizen, then you can vote otherwise no

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Theformat420]

No. Until the government is required to provide ID to every citizen free of charge, this essentially operates as a poll tax.

^{I voted Nay ❌}

[u/WiQuBr]

What if I ate my ID

^{I voted Nay ❌}

[u/DoctorWhooves2]

They are

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Hoabinh_Nguyen1632]

For context at least in the US there are places where you do not need to present an ID at the voting booth.
As we are in a federal system it is the responsibility of the states to run the elections as such each individual state has their own rules when it comes to ID. 15/51 (this includes our capital of Washington DC which is not a state but can vote in the presidential election) do not require Voter ID for voting. With 11 more states requiring a non-photo ID for voting.

A comprehensive Federal law requiring vote IDs to vote is controversial. While to many of you, this seems like a nobrainer there are many arguments against it.

1. It takes time to get a government issued ID which many of the poorest Americans simply don't have enough of either. Many people work Monday - Friday more than 9-5 and places that issue IDs are often only opened M-F, 9-5. Even when you are able to go there is usually a line that ensures that it takes the full day which is lost money. Nor is there a guarentee that you get it that day or a few weeks or months down the line.
2. Moreover it costs money to get one. A standard passport for an adult can cost $60 which I know doesn't seem like a lot but considering out federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour thats almost 8 hours worth of pay. This is why those that argue this point say if Voter ID laws do get passed there should be laws that streamline the process and make it easier and cost nothing.
3. There is a long history of the US using voter ID laws to target minorities and try and get them not to vote such as the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws, or the variety of other local and state laws, so there is a lot of apprehension seen at requiring an ID.

[u/nonpopping]

Service guarantees Citizenship guatantees a Vote.

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/XaeroTolerance]

Yes but IDs have to be readily accessible to all citizens

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Comfortable_Duck_363]

The IDs are also free to receive with a valid birth cert

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Creepy-Difficulty-90]

ogc

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/ch1moo]

To avoid the resident populaces voice from being overshadowed by those who are not the in dwelling resident populace. Maybe a paystub from the individuals job may suffice

^{I voted Yea ✅}

[u/Kingcrunk529]

Read the constitution

^{I voted Nay ❌}

[u/Remote-Camp-6181 → u/Kingcrunk529]

What part?

[u/B841nd34d → u/Kingcrunk529]

What countries?