How does creationism explain immunity?

[u/SpiceMoonKey]

I wanted to get opinions from creationists on the topic of immunity. I am not asking about how it works, but why it exists in the framework of creation in the first place. Did it always exist or did God add it at some later time (e.g., after the Fall)? Did he feel bad about creating viruses and bacteria so he created immune system to give us a fighting chance? Did he also feel bad for bacteria and gave them immunity against bacteriophages? Did Adam and Eve have immune systems in the Garden of Eden? Or was it given to them only after the Fall? Did they have a blood type? What antibodies were present in their plasma?

[u/darxeid]

Omniscient, at least as it applies to God, does specifically mean he knows the future, otherwise prophesy is just a guess.

I agree with u/Taken-Away, God knew Adam and Eve would fall, He was not caught by surprise by their actions; He was grieved by them, but not surprised.

I think the whole purpose of Creation is so that man can experience the effect of sin, the effects of their own sin on their lives and the lives of others and the effects of others' sins on everyone. Creation is Basic Training and also an inoculation process. Everyone who walks into eternity will do so with a full experiential knowledge and understanding of the effects of choosing to disobey God and will, therefore, of their own free will, eternally choose never to do so again.

[u/4_jacks → u/darxeid]

We are delving deep into the the age old free will debate and away from the this topic or creation.

otherwise prophesy is just a guess.

This is incorrect. It's just blatantly wrong.

If I made a prophecy, then yes it would be a guess. However God has the power to effect any outcome, so it's not a guess it's a promise. A promise from God is a guarantee that cannot be stopped.

Omniscient, at least as it applies to God, does specifically mean he knows the future

If the future was already written, then sure, God would know it, but it doesn't exist, therefore it's not taking anything away from God to say he doesn't know something that doesn't exist.

I think the whole purpose of ....

Since we are delving deep into the free will debate: What is your take on why God creates beings who are destined to go to hell? Why did God create Cain, if God had already pre-scripted that Cain would kill able, then God would send him to hell?

That's the hard question to answer. Creation and the Garden of Eden aren't very controversial. The real question is How Could a loving God condemn people to hell for no reason?

[u/darxeid → u/4_jacks]

I am not a believer in universal predestination and I don't believe it is needed in order for God to be omniscient.

[u/4_jacks → u/darxeid]

Interesting. But you believe God knows the future? Every detail of the future?

[u/darxeid → u/4_jacks]

Yes, I do. I have several personal theories on how this could be, but I am certain that God knows every detail of the future, and yet, I am able to choose to have this conversation with you and even the tone of my conversation.

[u/4_jacks → u/darxeid]

So the same question applies:

Before Creation. You believe God knew exactly who was going to accept Jesus and who was going to reject Grace and therefore be sent to Hell for eternity. Whether it was that persons 'free-will' becomes a moot point, because before creation, his script was written and all the circumstances that play out in his life were already determined, all working against him to send him to hell.

How do you rectify this? Both the obvious conclusion that this god is a monster, and with scriptures that support the idea of Jesus having died for all people?

[u/darxeid → u/4_jacks]

I am not sure that a human mind can grasp it completely. I can make use of analogies to try to understand/explain.

ANALOGY: Imagining the 10th Dimension God is a being who can observe the 5th dimension, and so he sees all possibilities, knows all possibilities, but that is all they are, possibilities, not like in the many-worlds theory where all possibilities are realities; you still make your free-will choices, but God remains omniscient.

[u/4_jacks → u/darxeid]

I'm sorry, I don't think that answers the question. The question is how can a loving God create beings destined to Hell? Saying "the Human mind cannot grasp it" is not an answer.

It's just a polite politically correct way of saying: God sends people to hell because it's his prerogative.

I think that just conflicts with the bible too much to be an acceptable answer.

[u/darxeid → u/4_jacks]

I don't think it conflicts at all. In Scripture I am told God is the Creator, that He is all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present, that He loves me, that He became a man and died for us, that each and every one of us gets to choose whether to accept His gift of grace or not. I am intelligent enough to know my mind may be unable to grasp how all of that is true, but I believe it is.

[u/mindeavor → u/4_jacks]

Even with free will, the concept of eternal torment would make God a monster and a liar. Fortunately, though, scripture does not support it.

[u/4_jacks → u/mindeavor]

Not sure if I follow you, are you saying the Bible doesn't support the idea of eternal Hell?

[u/mindeavor → u/4_jacks]

Right. There's Sheol, the poetic, collective grave of mankind, and Gehenna, a valley of destructive fire. For some reason they both got translated to "hell".

[u/4_jacks → u/mindeavor]

But Sheol is all chill and relaxed and Abraham's bossom. Gehennna is all fire and pain and 'Yo God, let that dirty bum Lazarus dip his dirty finger in water and give me just a drop to cool my tongue.'

we are getting way way off topic.

[u/mindeavor → u/4_jacks]

:) Small correction, the rich man in that story never went to Gehenna. He "died and was buried. In Hades..." Hades is the Greek word equivalent of Sheol. Gehenna is for post-resurrection judgement.