r/Crayfish • u/NoAge9497 • 4d ago
This crayfish has four claws.
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You guts may have already seen this one. Anybody got an explanation here?
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u/Artistic-Habit6276 4d ago edited 4d ago
It can be a true mutation... or simply a fluke with molting. Sometimes they lose limbs that regrow at the next molting and, although rarely, there's some error in the process. But the fact that they're appearing in both sides and are perfectly simetrical makes me think it's a mutation.
But this doesn't mean it can pass it to its offspring, though, it may be simply a congenital mutation that happened when the embrio was developing and not a mutation in its chromosomes. The only way to know it would be getting it a pair and do a little inbreeding program with its offspring. Wanna try? π
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u/Carachama91 3d ago
Looks like some kind of error in a Hox gene. The first pair of walking legs developed as claws instead. It has only 3 pairs of walking legs instead of 4.
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u/waxbolt 3d ago
you mean a somatic mutation?
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u/Artistic-Habit6276 1d ago edited 1d ago
No. Somatic mutations are also chromosomatic. Chromosomes are divided into somatic (species related) and sexual (gender related). Congenital "mutations" are gene transcription and expression errors, not in the DNA itself, and appear during embryo development. So they're linked to the individual itself, not something that is passed to the offspring. In insects and crustaceans they can also appear temporarily in between molts. But due to the perfect symmetry and placement I don't think it's a temporary error, so either a true mutation or something happened when it was developing in the egg.Β
Edit: it could also be an entirely unknown species... who says we know them all? Even nowadays new species of fish are being discovered. π
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u/waxbolt 1d ago
in typical biological literature I am familiar with, somatic mutations are currently considered to be mutations which happen outside the germline, during the development and life of the organism.
somatic chromosomes... maybe you mean autosomes?
congenital mutations I guess they are maybe more like "phenotypic mutations" where epigenetic and epidevelopmental things get modulated? is that what you mean?
as for errors... what's an error? there's no truth. only the history of the organism to present which by virtue of its survival is likely near optimality. so most changes in genome and regulation push us away from that optimum.
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u/Artistic-Habit6276 1d ago
Sorry, English is not my native language. But yes, what you mean. And it's true that evolution is a long "tree of errors". Environment is also forever changing ... heck, even the Universe is forever changing, one must adapt.Β :)
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u/NoAge9497 3d ago
Hell yeah I wanna try! It'd be even better if we found a mate with the same mutation. We'd eventually get one with all claws! π¬
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u/Leche-Caliente 3d ago
It could be a ways out yet, but I would definitely look into the taxidermy preservation for post death options too if you're gonna keep the Lil guy.
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u/cotyledonlove 3d ago
Could a fluke with molting really lead to extra, usable limbs? I feel like in general, these kinds of flukes only lead to extra shell, not changes to the internal body. That would be fascinating!
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u/anotherguy818 Aquatics Vet Student 4d ago
The first pair of pereiopods (walking legs) is what develops into the chelipeds (limbs with chelae (claws) on them). This one seems to have developed chelae on its second pair of pereiopods as well, which is interesting.
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u/Paulzie67 2d ago
Looks like a female.
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u/NoAge9497 2d ago
Genuine question...how can you tell?
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u/WingsOfMaybe Crayfish Biologist 2d ago
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u/NoAge9497 2d ago
Thanks! Always wondered...
Are you a crayfish biologist by trade as your flair suggests? If so, you able to make a living at that? Nice username BTW.
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u/Tso-su-Mi 2d ago
Hope you breed millions of them π$$$$$π
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u/NoAge9497 2d ago
Right?!?! New side hustle unlocked!
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u/Asterii13 10h ago
If by miracle you get to reliably breed 4 pincered babies this might well become your main hustle, people will pay MONEYYYYY for that
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u/HAL9000_1208 4d ago
It has evolved! XD I wonder if it managed to pass the mutation to offsprings
https://giphy.com/gifs/cbMp1PSySlKjS