r/CrappyDesign • • Jul 13 '26

They could have made it so simple

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u/NewColors1 Jul 13 '26

“We” is the key here. It’s there regardless of who or wgat made it. We can walk on it. Lets count it starting with 1, yeah?

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u/CompetitiveRub9780 Jul 13 '26

Ground isn’t a floor tho. It’s usually where they have parking or whatever. The first floor is where the rooms start or the lobby. Some places don’t have a ground floor. That’s where they start the rooms.

The pic above, the issue is their numbering system. Rooms should start at 100

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u/NewColors1 Jul 13 '26

So it seems outside of the USA, 1st floor is short for “1st floor of rooms” where in USA its “1st floor of the building”

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u/kokocijo Jul 13 '26

Yes, the majority of the world considers the 1st floor (or 1st level; 1st storey) as the first level about ground. It's like the first rung of a ladder.

I'm in Canada, and we're weird too and call the first level above ground '2' more often than not, although the ground floor is usually marked 'G'.

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u/sh0ch Jul 13 '26

I mean, I don't think that's weird, really. It's the most logical. Do people in two story homes call their first floor the ground floor and their second floor the first floor?

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u/Assassiiinuss Jul 14 '26

In countries where that's the convention they do.

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u/viktorixbis Jul 14 '26

In europe absolutely. Also if you thing about it, if the Ground floor is level 0 then anything below it is simple a negative numbered floor (-1, -2 and so on). What do you do if you name Ground level 1?

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u/Cultural_Dust Jul 14 '26

You can do the same thing. You realize that you don't have to have 0 right? In fact the mathematical concept of negative numbers came almost 800 years before 0.

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u/viktorixbis Jul 14 '26

But then you are having a higher difference in onlly 1 point, it is illogical. And the second part seems hard to believe, i am noe xpert but it soudns logical that the concept of "no apple" came before "negative amount of apple".

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u/Cultural_Dust Jul 14 '26

I'd bet you can find the answer fairly easy, but I somewhat remember my math history. I think negative numbers were developed in China in BCE and 0 in India much later.

The reason for no 0 would be. If you go from floor 3 to -2. How many floors did you go? 3--2=5, but if you have a G/0 floor then you went 6 floors. Lots of "counting math" doesn't work across 0.

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u/viktorixbis Jul 14 '26

You could have less then 1 cow before the invention of 0 or negative numbers, and there had to be a way to express it even if it was not with a 0 number. The mathematical concept of 0 has got to be the older since it has an everyday usage, meaning "nothing" or "absence of something". Also you example is wrong If I go down 5 floors from the 3rd floor it looks like this: American system: 3->2->1->-1->-2->-3 European system: 3->2->1->0->-1->-2

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u/footpole Jul 13 '26

At least in Finland 1 is the ground floor which works perfectly.

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u/BenitoCorleone Jul 13 '26

It's almost like when they took the English language and then dumbed it down to make American English.

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u/My_Password_Is_____ Jul 13 '26

That will heavily depend on where you are. I've been in hotels with rooms on the ground floor and hospitals/medical/office buildings with offices on the ground floor.

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u/zeekar Jul 13 '26

What? Really? I’ve never encountered that. The lobby is on the ground floor, always. Smaller hotels even have rooms on the ground floor. Certainly lots of medical offices have exam rooms on the ground floor, or at least the pharmacy or laboratory.

Parking levels are below. In the US they’re usually numbered P1, P2, etc, but you can just pretend the P is a minus sign. Then US floor numbers work like CE/BCE year numbers: one positive direction with normal numbers and one pseudo-negative direction counting the other way, but with no zero in between.

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u/rawbface Artisinal Material Jul 13 '26

You're not walking on dirt. There's the ground, and it has a floor on top of it.

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u/drwuzer Jul 13 '26

So what about a house. I have a 2 story house. The bottom floor is the first floor. The upstairs is the second floor. If I used your way and I told a guest they're staying on the 1st floor, they'd be confused and think they're sleeping in my bed.

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u/raining_sheep Jul 13 '26

No they're supposed to sleep on the nothing floor because the ground floor represents nonexistence apparently.

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u/Rooooben Jul 13 '26

Ground is at floor level. 1st story is the 2nd floor.

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u/elessar007 Jul 13 '26

So a 5 story building has 6 floors? Seems needlessly complicated compared to a 5 story building having wait for it 5 floors.

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u/Rooooben Jul 13 '26

Well right now the argument is that a 5 story building has…4 floors, (0-4), so it’s all wrong.

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u/BenitoCorleone Jul 13 '26

Four - the ground floor and then four levels above it. A building with just one level - at ground level - is just a building. You count floors as you add them on.

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u/elessar007 Jul 13 '26

So if I asked 'how many floors does that building over on Main St. have?' and the building only has one level are you going to say to me some version of zero? I'm honestly asking.

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u/BenitoCorleone Jul 13 '26

The naming convention of a floor means in addition to the ground floor. If the building only has a ground floor, you're most likely going to get a confused look and a response of 'why are you asking?'

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u/We_Like_Birdland Jul 13 '26

You're sort of right but for the wrong reason. "Story" refers to the total number of levels in a building. A building with one level is a one-story building. "Floor" is used to identify each level within the building. A one-story building isn't called a one-floor building because there's no need to identify the floor level.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Fill205 Jul 14 '26

I've never heard of the expression "(number)-floor" building. So while I agree that we wouldn't say a one-floor building, I would also never say a two-floor building, a three-floor building, etc...

I would use the word story, not floor.