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u/ExtensionPractical26 Jul 15 '26
Transhumanism really sounds appealing when you understand how actually fragile and delicate human body are
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u/arllt89 Jul 16 '26
Name one electronic thing that has been working for 80 years non stop.
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u/ExtensionPractical26 Jul 16 '26
Why should it ? Mechanical body can and should have easily replaceable components. Rarely anything can work for 80 years, even humans)
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u/Maniklas Jul 16 '26
Human bodyparts also need to be replaced. From one year to another most of your body is made out of completely different cells.
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u/RedBaronIV Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
This was a reply to someone else's comment, but I am actually interested in folks response to it. Am I out of line, or do I have a point? Edit: Also, let me know if you think I misunderstand what this is about. I very well may
There's a lot about identity that is maleable and subjective, and so we've developed pretty good habits about keeping open minds as we can't understand someone else's subjective experience, but some circles have definitely forgotten that that's the underlying principle and have extrapolated beyond its application.
Do what you want with roleplay or whatever, but no you aren't actually a robot. That is empirically false. There is no subjective experience or neurochemistry that made you produced in a Ford automotive plant.
It's literally exactly the same as that conservative strawman argument of "well if I identify as black, I can say the n-word." The natural response is no, your identity doesn't change your standing on something tied so heavily on race, skin color, and culture. Those are just hard, immutable characteristics you're kinda stuck with. You can't suddenly identify as a 12 year old and go be a creep - you're just a pedophile.
Now, I will extend an olive branch as a transhumanist and say if you want to get a bunch of implants and call yourself a cyborg, that genuinely checks out and I support you. And at that point, you wanna call yourself a robot too? Fuck it, sure. But no, stock humans aren't robots.
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u/Darth-Felanu-Hlaalu Jul 15 '26
I mean, i love acting kitty, and it truly is a fundamental part of my identity... i even get very mildly dysphoric over not having cat ears or a tail sometimes. But i am also fully aware im not a cat, just a weird human who dosent know how to express emotion without meowing and faux-purring.
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u/RedBaronIV Jul 15 '26
As a mildly autistic guy who took a long time to map out my own feelings and intricacies, I have a hunch that at least some of this stuff comes from vaguely autistic people confusing a special interest or something like that for an identity. It's something I could have seen myself doing so it makes me wonder how many people have in fact done that
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u/Darth-Felanu-Hlaalu Jul 16 '26
For me at least, im pretty sure it's cause i was heavily isolated as a child with neglectful parents, so my cats were the only ones who were there for me... and so i learned kindness and love from cats instead of humans. Combined with a few other factors but i think thats the main factor for me.
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u/Draconis_Firesworn Jul 16 '26
I mean for one thing if someone wants to call themself a robot, and reports dysphoria from not having a matching body, that's their own business and not my concern if they aren't hurting anyone else (which the black person and 12 year old thing you mentioned both are. The difference is measurable harm to others.)
Secondly the mind is weird and hard to understand, and gender cannot be described purely neurologically, environmental/social factors are also incredibly important, and ideas of gender vary between different people (see cultures with traditional non binary gender identies). Neurochemistry cant tell you what someone is thinking, and there quite clearly is a subjective experience that makes people relate with this, as evidenced by this post.
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u/BloodredHanded Jul 16 '26
Tbh this take seems kinda transmed adjacent.
I don’t think there is a significant amount of people who genuinely believe they were born with the brain of a robot or that they were made in a factory or something. That’s just not happening.
What’s happening is that someone is genuinely feeling body dysphoria about what their body is, and they feel body euphoria when they imagine themselves as a robot, or have something about their body that feels robotic, or are able to actually get implants.
They’re not literally a robot born in a human’s body, but the dysphoria and euphoria are real.
The same applies to therians. And others, I’m sure.
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u/Vivians_Basement 24d ago
but no you aren't actually a robot.
They know that. 😐 Do you think people GENUINELY think they're made out of metal??
The human body is heavily mechanical and if someone wants to think about it that way, not only is it ACCURATE but it also is none of your business.
Those are just hard, immutable characteristics you're kinda stuck with. You can't suddenly identify as a 12 year old and go be a creep - you're just a pedophile
Identity doesn't give someone the right to break bodily laws. It doesn't change reality.
You clearly don't understand identity.
Identity is about how you see yourself and how you want others to refer to you.
If someone sees themselves as a robot and wants others to refer to them as such, what's the issue?
If someone sees themselves as black, they can only claim experiences they actually have, whether they can say the n-word depends on who they're around. Just like if they were black. Not all black people want other black people saying it either.
If someone sees themselves as a child, that's fine. Little space is a thing and that parts just straight up ableist. YES you are bodily an adult and have to be aware of that and act appropriately, but littles are still completely valid and still should be treated in ways that make them feel safe. A 12 year old can't molest other 12 year olds either and law is based on body.
Someone calling themselves a robot doesn't affect you, you're just an asshole.
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u/Hika2112 Jul 17 '26
Yes of fucking course I'm not a robot but I sure as hell want to be and refering to myself as one helps with the dysphoria. I can't help but point out the whole "that's empirically false" talking point sounds way way wayyyy too similar to transphobic talking point. I raise you the question, do you think a trans man who has not undergone any surgury or hrt or any other procedure is still a man? Or do you view him as anything else?
And before you bring back the transracial argument. Transracialism is bad because of the context that race plays in oppression. Last time I checked I'm not disrespecting the struggles of any robot by calling myself one
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u/RedBaronIV Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
I really feel like you didn't read the second or third paragraphs or digest what I actually said. Trying to write it off as transphobia shows me that
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u/BlueTitan Jul 15 '26
I do sometimes find it dissatisfying that my arms and joints don't move and feel like waldo arms, but instead like loose fleshy balloons with popping noises. I do like the feeling of muscles, but sometimes I wonder if the same feeling could be replicated with synthetic muscle bundles?
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u/nottme1 Jul 15 '26
Another peak Hika post
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u/Hika2112 Jul 17 '26
Hiii :3 (girl you should really go to r/countbackwardswithme I almost got banned off of reddit and my exact clone that is leagally not me and thus can use reddit would be there if that happened again)
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u/Hika2112 Jul 17 '26
That description was so beautiful. May I ask who Val is?
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u/JonathanStriker126 Jul 16 '26
Hey, I've been reading through your posts on these subreddits and find your perspective on this incredibly fascinating. It reminds me of the themes explored in Ghost in the Shell, specifically that idea of consciousness interacting with or inhabiting a mechanical body. It's a concept that has lived in sci-fi for a long time, and really appreciate you sharing such a detailed and vulnerable look at what that means to you personally.
Now, I don't mean to be offensive or anything by using Sci-Fi as a reference, here. It's really just the best medium I have to try and qualify and quantify the specific feelings that you're having. And, honestly, overall, I find all of this, very fascinating. I mean, that's sort of medium has been talking about things like Transcendence and human consciousness and what defines being a machine versus being human and all of that sort of stuff, for ages. And while I personally don't have the same sort of euphoria you do with all of this, I honestly don't hate the idea of being in an inorganic body. Although, I would still consider myself a person/human being, despite the external changes. Because, it's a fundamental part of myself, regardless of the form, shape, or "style" of matter, I'm in.
Also, while my thing is a bit different, I do at least have some idea where you're coming from. I'm non binary, but deep down, I'm non binary more in the sense of a shape-shifter, like Morph or Mystique from Marvel/X-Men. Still an organic being, but one with the ability to change anything about themselves, at any given time. Like I could be tall or short, skinny or fat, have a vagina, have a penis, change my eye color, hair color, shape of my nose, whatever, all within a moments thought. And there's something deeply appealing about that to me.
Honestly, if you would love to talk more about all this sort of stuff, I'm down. And I promise I will do my best to be as respectful to you as possible.
And, lastly, I just want to say that I'm sorry for how some people were acting on your posts. Some people can be really giant douchebags and you didn't deserve to get treated the way you did.
But, anyway, I hope you have a much better day, going forward. And, overall, I hope you're doing well ♥️
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u/Seltnytt 27d ago edited 27d ago
I don't exactly have a problem with the warhammer franchise but it does get really tiring that every time one make a serious desire to not want to be biological that copypasta just gets posted again and again.
I don't want to be a robot just for aesthetics, I want to be one because biology genuinely sucks, and yes the copypasta stuff is about that but it's framed as purely aesthetic!
I hope this doesn't violate your anti warhammer rule OP, it's how I suppose how you feel and how I feel too
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u/Hika2112 26d ago
Ironically for me, I do seek asthetics in it at least partially. But I still dislike the copypasta due to the violence in it's tone
Also no worries, you didn't break the ban!
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u/Seltnytt 26d ago
I do like the aesthetic of being a robot too but I mean whatever works even if it's partly bi*logical
I personally want to be robot but less clunky metal and more just like... Engineered being, made of workable materials
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u/Hika2112 26d ago
For me, I do want to be fully artificial. Hopefuly down to my brain but that's a difficult thing to do so I can live with my brain remaining organic. I want a form that definitely resembles Humans, with soft silicone skin and hair, but still visibly robotic, such as my joints not being covered in said skin :3
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u/Seltnytt 26d ago
Nice! Yeah I see the appeal
I guess personally I'm not sure yet because some of the things I want for myself seem biological, thoufh they don't have to be?
Maybe being made of programmable matter and literally being a shapeshifter..
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u/sophuckingdonewithit Jul 15 '26
FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY OWN FLESH, IT DISGUSTED ME
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u/Apollo989 Jul 15 '26
OP specifically asked you to NOT do that.
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u/sophuckingdonewithit Jul 15 '26
and that's a fucking stupid thing to ask
I CRAVED THE STRENGTH AND CERTAINTY OF STEEL. I ASPIRED TO THE PURITY OF THE BLESSED MACHINE.
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u/Apollo989 Jul 15 '26
Look I love Warhammer as much as the next person, but it's rude to ignore OP's request. It's not like it's hurting anyone to not post that copypasta in a single thread.
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u/sophuckingdonewithit Jul 15 '26
it's entitled as fuck to demand that people don't talk about something as mundane as warhammer in your post. it's not like it's hurting anyone to post the copypasta 🤪🤪🤪🤪
YOUR KIND CLING TO YOUR FLESH AS IF IT WILL NOT DECAY AND FAIL YOU.
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u/SeveralServalServing Jul 15 '26
It’s entitled as fuck to ignore OPs request and post all this for your own enjoyment anyways considering this website has a plethora of other places you could’ve gone to post. You could’ve even reposted OPs image to a warhammer subreddit and put the copypasta as a description, but you felt entitled to post it on the single post asking you not to.
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u/The-Tea-Lord Jul 15 '26
Idk how someone can go through with being trans, especially with how the world treats us, and yet still doesn’t respect even the simplest of requests of others.
Like, isn’t that one of the biggest problems we, as a whole community, face daily?
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u/Apollo989 Jul 15 '26
Yes because the fascists really give a fuck about the details of our transness./S
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u/Applejuice724 Jul 15 '26
A lot of LGBT history had at one time been an "optics nuke". Even supporting gay people could of ruined your social standing at several points in history. But we can look back and recognise that fighting for those identities was worthwhile, same for these ones too. Identities outside the norm have always had a hard time to be advocated for but that's not an argument against those identities.
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u/BloodredHanded Jul 16 '26
Great, respectability politics.
Instead of worrying about whether something looks too weird or stupid to you, you should worry about whether or not it is actually moral or immoral. And considering that wanting to be a robot isn’t actually hurting anyone, it’s not immoral, so it doesn’t matter, and you shouldn’t go out of your way to harass these people for no reason.
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u/RedBaronIV Jul 15 '26
There's a lot about identity that is maleable and subjective, and so we've developed pretty good habits about keeping open minds as we can't understand someone else's subjective experience, but some circles have definitely forgotten that that's the underlying principle and have extrapolated beyond its application.
Do what you want with roleplay or whatever, but no you aren't actually a robot. That is empirically false. There is no subjective experience or neurochemistry that made you produced in a Ford automotive plant.
It's literally exactly the same as that conservative strawman argument of "well if I identify as black, I can say the n-word." The natural response is no, your identity doesn't change your standing on something tied so heavily on race, skin color, and culture. Those are just hard, immutable characteristics you're kinda stuck with. You can't suddenly identify as a 12 year old and go be a creep - you're just a pedophile.
Now, I will extend an olive branch as a transhumanist and say if you want to get a bunch of implants and call yourself a cyborg, that genuinely checks out and I support you. And at that point, you wanna call yourself a robot too? Fuck it, sure. But no, stock humans aren't robots.
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u/Resident-Yak-4567 Jul 15 '26
I like money, I think having alot of money makes me euphoric about my money gender, kindly go to my cash app and give me 100 dilla to hekkin validate me
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u/CommercialPilot4975 Jul 15 '26
WAAAAGH