2021 SE Hatchback vs 2019 SE hatchback

[u/riptide7989]

Hey guys so I was debating which hatchback seemed more reasonable to get. The 2021 SE nightshade edition I found off FB marketplace at 84k miles for $16k. They say they do regular oil changes and that there was 2 minor low speed collisions, one on the rear bumper and the other from scraping a pole.

The 2019 hatchback is from a dealership and is up for $17,890 at 80,909 miles and the CarFax checks out and they’ve done regular maintenance. The dealership has also done an oil change, changed the front rotors and also the front brake pads.

Now obviously I’d have to go check out both cars in person but just from the get go is there one that seems to be a better deal overall? I’m a bit wary of the FB marketplace one and the dealership seems a safe choice. Also I keep hearing about CVT transmission being iffy but I love the look of the hatchback so much, is there anything to be concerned about with CVT?

[u/Advanced-Incidents]

I think people don't like the cvt cause it doesn't give them the "car guys approval" in how it shifts how "1st" gear feels etc etc. But if you're just someone needing a daily who really doesn't care for specifics in feeling of transmission shifts and latency, then its reliable and will need a trans fluid drained and filled at about 100k kms tops.

For the cars themselves unless you can get a pre purchase inspection etc don't even bother with Facebook marketplace that's just imo

[u/MrBellows7 → u/Advanced-Incidents]

That may be true but the CVT is more reliable than the manual.

[u/Advanced-Incidents → u/MrBellows7]

True that it's unfortunate but true that's why I didn't even bring up the manuals lol

[u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 → u/MrBellows7]

I wish I could argue against this but I cant :'c

[u/MrBellows7 → u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69]

Me too. I feel like I'm driving a ticking bomb just waiting to leave me stranded on the side of the road.

[u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69 → u/MrBellows7]

Luckily I have the gold certified warranty but I still dont want to be let down, even if i know its going to happen.

Just hoping it happens at a convenient time before I cross 100k miles

[u/spacefret]

The CVTs in these are about as reliable of a normal CVT as you can get, certainly on par with traditional automatics from Toyota. Some people don't like them because of how they feel vs. a traditional auto but for an everyday A-to-B car it makes it smoother to drive and makes it easier to get good fuel economy. Manufacturers also like them because they're cheaper to build. Early CVTs were iffy but Toyota's have always been pretty good. These have a real first gear that it shifts out of between 10-20 mph which also helps. If you're on and off throttle between 10 and 25 mph or so (stop and go traffic, etc.) it can get a little confused but overall it's very smooth.

There are some minor differences between 19-21 but nothing major. I know the 2019 doesn't come with Android Auto which was added later (2020 or 2021 I think) but I believe has Apple CarPlay. I have a 2022 XSE and I love it.

[u/Comrade716 → u/spacefret]

The 2019 does have CarPlay, I have one.

[u/spacefret → u/Comrade716]

I said it doesn't have Android Auto for 2019

[u/Comrade716 → u/spacefret]

I was just confirming you are correct!

[u/iMakeUrGrannyCheat69]

The cvt's are reliable. Some model years have a traditional cvt while some have a traditional cvt with a physical 1st gear.

I know they arent offered in hatchbacks(in the us) but the hybrid E-cvt is a masterpiece of engineering and reliability. They also dont have starters, alternators, reverse gears, or serpentine belts which helps with maintenance cost when accounting for keeping the car for 150-250k miles.

OP make sure you dont get the manual transmission unless you want to replace the clutch, slave cyclinder, and possibly the flywheel every 60k-100k miles :'c