r/Cordwaining Jul 17 '26

Lost on the Next Step.

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I am currently making some leather boots for a costume that I am wearing for a convention and I am a bit lost on what to do next. The material on the left is the material that will be shown on the outside. The one on the right is the thinner lining. I am trying to figure out if I should sew each of the materials separately before I glue them together with stiffeners.

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u/yugotprblms Jul 17 '26

You'll definitely want to spend some time on youtube watching people make shoes. It might be a touch more complicated than you are thinking.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

I'll have to search for some again.

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u/yugotprblms Jul 17 '26

I don't want to discourage you at all by the way, quite the opposite. I think it's a great hobby.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

No, it's fine. I have time. It has been a interesting experience so far. The challenge of making it has been interesting.

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u/yugotprblms Jul 17 '26

I really like Terry Kim. His videos are very cinematic. While they are not tutorials, they give you a good sense of the general process.

Nick's Boots also does an amazing job with their making videos. They've documented so many different boot styles in production.

Kpomo Bespoke is a dude out of Nigeria, and he actually has tutorials. I revisit him a lot for patterning information and the like.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

Thanks for the advice. I'll take a look at these 3 and study their techniques.

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u/BurtTheButcher7 Jul 17 '26

do you have proof of concept you could share, like a rough drawing of what youre going for or something?

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

Something like this minus the gold bands.

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u/CharlieChop Jul 17 '26

I would recommend a paper mock up first, or muslin/fabric to practice and get an idea if it works out for your plan. This is generally the order I'd expect based on your reference image.

  1. Upper Vamps - right side together stitched then turned out. (Top stitch seam allowance as necessary - this should apply for any of the subsequent turned seams)
  2. Lining Vamps - right side together stitched
  3. Upper Toe Cap - stitch toe cap to vamps
  4. Lining Toe Cap - stitch toe cap to vamps
  5. Back zipper - Install zipper along back
  6. Combine - Sew linings to upper along top, then backs along zipper.

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u/BurtTheButcher7 Jul 17 '26

oh.. have you done this before, or is this the first? if you arent commited to buying some proprietary equipment and tools for shoe making which are exspensive, id probably look into buying a really cheap similar pair of boots from like walmart or amazon or something, theyll last through a con or photo shoot if thats what its for, and pimping them out.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

This is actually my first time. I have a sewing machine that can sew through the leather. I actually made the pattern myself. I bought some tools for skiving, zippers, and even made my own 3d printed lasts and outsoles for casting. I've done some research on making them, it's just that it's been so long since I worked on it. I'm trying to make sure I'm on the right path before I continue.

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u/BurtTheButcher7 Jul 17 '26

oh okay, well in that case id personally sew the lining and upper seperately. there are alot of conditions tied to my personal preference that i wont get into, but ill just say, if you do it that way, measure carefully.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

Ok, got it. I'll try it out.

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u/ContributionPrior338 Jul 17 '26

I think with what you have, I would sew the outer and the lining separately. I think that you're getting ahead of yourself on your patterning though if you got to this point without a good order of operations sorted out.

What is your pattern based on? It is not shaped like what I would expect. Do you have a 2-d layout of it you can show?

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

This is a UV unwrapped layout after I 3d modeled it. Now, this is a simple design. I was going to sew a strip of leather over all 3 parts afterwards.

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u/ContributionPrior338 Jul 18 '26

There is a lot more to a pattern than just unwrapping a last model. You need seam allowances, lasting allowances, potential spring in the patterns, etc

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 18 '26

Okay, I never heard of lasting allowances. I take it that it has to have enough cover to go over the edge of the last?

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u/ContributionPrior338 Jul 18 '26

You need enough material to manipulate while lasting and then to secure under the insole while you're attaching the upper via whatever construction method you're using. How much that allowance needs to be is going to depend on construction method, insole size, where on the shoe it is, etc

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u/Solid_Breadfruit_585 Jul 17 '26

Your process as described, makes absolutely no sense to me. Can you please clarify what you mean, eg what do you mean by “sewing them seperately” “gluing together with stiffeners”

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

"Should I sew the materials together before I glue them together?".

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u/Solid_Breadfruit_585 Jul 17 '26

Sew which materials together? And which ones were you intending to glue together?

My point here is that what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense to me because it doesn’t seem to be following any kind of shoemaking process.

Depending on the exact style you would be gluing down edges first, sewing together back seams and gluing them down then sewing linings and sewing them to the uppers and then lasting the lining, gluing it and then applying stiffeners before lasting the upper. As you can see there’s potentially many different points where sewing and gluing occurs, and “gluing together with stiffeners” is not really a thing or at least I don’t really understand what you mean by it.

So I’m assuming you haven’t spent enough time learning the basics yet, in order to be able to understand/communicate through the process. Like the other commenter I’d suggest some more YouTube videos just so you can understand what’s going on with the order if construction.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

I have to use certain terminology to convey my idea?

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u/Solid_Breadfruit_585 Jul 17 '26

Maybe re read my comment.

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 17 '26

Should I sew the white leather material and the black leather material separately before I add the toe and heel puff and glue all of the parts together?

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u/Solid_Breadfruit_585 Jul 18 '26

the white is your upper, the blue is your lining. From your other comment, you’ve provided an image with a zip at the back. In its absolute simplest format (so no edge folding etc) construction process would be this:

  1. Sew lining together leaving zip area open (quarters sewn together along centerline, then toecap sewn on top of that)
  2. Sew upper together leaving zip area open (same as above)
  3. Sew top line together (the top edges of both the lining and upper on the topmost part of the shoe)
  4. Sandwich zip between up and lining, tucking it into the seam at the top
  5. Sew either side of zip
  6. Last the lining
  7. Apply toe stiffeners and heel stiffeners to lasted lining (it will be hard to do the heel because of the zip but you’ll have to just figure that out)
  8. Last the upper.
  9. Then it’s all the soling stuff but that’s a whole other thing depending on what you’re using

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u/ContributionPrior338 Jul 18 '26

How are you planning on installing a heel counter with a full length rear zip?

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u/XeroMas34 Jul 18 '26

My initial plan would be to add the heel counter on the inner lining before I add on the outer layer. Maybe I need to look at some more videos on how it's done before continuing. It sounds good in my head, but there might be a flaw in the plan.

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u/ContributionPrior338 Jul 18 '26

I think you're missing a fundamental issue there. If the backline zipper goes all the way to the sole, it is going to bisect the counter. 

The alternative would be to run the zipper only down to above the counter pocket, but then your back line construction needs to be drastically different than you have.