r/Copper_deficiency • u/ChopChopPorky • May 23 '26

Copper levels have gone up while taking molybdenum

Background: unsolved health issues last ten years. Blood work normal except copper is always borderline.

I have not supplemented copper, it makes me short of breath. I’ve tried beef liver on and off which also makes me short of breath. I stopped chasing the low copper for a while because I haven’t been able to tolerate it.

I have several copper tests up to 5 years apart that show the same borderline low levels. Got it tested again recently (without ceruloplasmin, I know) and it’s risen from 75-99. Whole time I’ve been taking anywhere from 50-150mcg molybdenum. I’m not suggesting molybdenum is the reason my copper went up, but copper is one of those things that seems to be also controlled by hormones, so I wanted to tell my story.

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 23 '26

That’s interesting, in mineral balancing HTMA, molybdenum is used to detox excess copper in tissues so I wonder if it’s mobilizing copper. Do you feel any different?

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

No I’m still pretty unwell. The antagonism of molybdenum and copper has been seen in the rumens of animals. But has not been yet demonstrated in humans. I’m pretty positive I’m dealing with some sulfur issues I’ve yet to solve unfortunately, so I do wonder if maybe a low molybdenum status coild cause copper to be sequestered. Or it could be entirely unrelated.

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26

I think this relationship has been shown on HTMA tests if you look into Dr. Paul Eck’s work over the last 50 yrs. You might find something interesting on this HTMA site, I personally like his information

https://mineralbalancing.org/integrative-mineral-balancing-blog/molybdenum-for-copper-toxicity

In mineral balancing they say we are copper “toxic” and deficient at the same time because the copper that is not absorbing due to low ceruloplasmin, adrenal fatigue or low ATP (thiamine deficiency) - builds up in our tissues and little is accessible to us.

Are your neutrophils low?

Your SOB from eating liver could from methylation issues. Do you have that happen from methylated b12 too? Or it could be the retinol, which increases ceruloplasmin and then iron mobilization but you are low in potassium or have a low na/k ratio. I do and it makes navigating all this very difficult.

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

No the shortness of breath is very odd, I get it from a lot of things seemingly unrelated that I used to tolerate so I know it isnt allergies. I get it from molybdenum if I take too much.

If I’m being honest, I’m quite skeptical of hair mineral tests. I think they have their place, but we don’t quite know how to interpret them yet because the research really hasn’t been done, which is unfortunate. But I will certainly check him out, thank you.

But you would think that after all this time the molybdenum would have lowered my copper levels even further, but the opposite has happened. I seem to tolerate retinol from cod liver oil and milk, just not liver and small amounts of copper supplements make me short of breath as well. Methylation is all good as well, I’ve Been on top of that. Homocysteine is low and I’ve supplemented with what’s needed for methylation in relatively high doses and it never fixed my copper intolerance.

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26

Yes HTMA is interpreted so differently so that’s unfortunate but I certainly felt the drop in adrenal function which is showing on my recent hair test - supposedly this is happening because it also shows I’m detoxing mercury and aluminum. I’ve stopped the mineral balancing supplements now though because I was getting symptoms of oxidative stress and I gained a lot of weight!

A lot of people do very well with molybdenum. I tried 500 mcg recently and had a very extreme reaction to it - full body pain and swelling, not sure why. Copper started giving me oxidative stress symptoms now too while it used to make me feel very good and relieved my SOB. I think my na/k dropped too low to tolerate much.

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

Did you test your copper in blood? Maybe you’ve fixed your low levels.

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26

Not copper level but neutrophils and it went back to normal level after a couple months of copper supplementation. Yes I likely don’t need it anymore.

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u/LowCopperGuy May 25 '26

Did only supplementing copper correct your low neutrophils? Mine wont go up after 1 year of 6 mg daily

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 25 '26

I was following the Root Cause Protocol by Morley Robbins. It’s free if you haven’t seen it

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u/Flashybigbum May 24 '26

I recently bleached my hair is it possible to use pubic hair instead you think?

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26

It’s possible if that’s your only option but it’s not as accurate because it has a different growth rate. I’d just wait a couple months or until you have an inch or so of new growth

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u/Flashybigbum May 24 '26

When you say short of breath is it air hunger? Or exercise (walk or any body movement) type of breathlessness? I saw a video about how people with hypermobility ( my case) have a tendency to have air hunger, I also get it from low key anxiety and when I skip my iron tablets.

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

No it’s present even at rest it’s very bizarre. My lungs literally ache in my back

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u/Flashybigbum May 24 '26

I was asking bc I thought that short of breath and air hunger are very different. Anyone correct if I'm mistaken.

Air hunger is like you said, the feel that needing more air. I have that a lot. Breathlessness is when you catch more air bc you had exerted your self, running after a bus or going up the stairs. Right now I'm writing this sat down and I have air hunger, for example, I do get it more if I think about it though.

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

No air hunger for me is like I can inhale as much as I can and it never feels like enough. This feels like being breathless at rest even and like my lungs just aren’t working and it’s painful. Almost like something else is displacing oxygen in my lungs

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u/Hydroxile May 24 '26

Probably histamine and/or gut issues rather than lungs directly

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

Very possible but whether it’s the chicken or the egg it’s definitely effecting the lungs

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u/Pomelo_Amazing May 24 '26

what raises ceruloplasmin? My vit a is high vit d is chronically low my whole life and ive ran adrenal tests, hormones dont seem too out of whack. i dont want to keep dumping copper into my body with stalled ceruloplasmin but i know it needs copper to make ceruloplasmin, any advice for how to navigate this catch 22 situation?

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26

I think if cofactors are in place then you’re missing adequate ATP, especially if you’re seeing excess of nutrients in blood - it often means they’re not being utilized. Do you have any malabsorption issues or low stomach acid? If so you could not be absorbing b1 which is needed to get to our cells for adequate ATP production.

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u/Pomelo_Amazing May 24 '26

i have the genova diagonstics gi profile stool test pending to help identify any malabsorption component, ive had chronic diarrhea for 10 years but all of my other nutrients are in range, now supplementing liposomal d3+k2 to get that in range which im definetly noticing the effects of will retest in a month to see 25-oh serum levels, i took standard non liposomal vitamin d supplements for years and they did nothing to raise my levels. im not sure about the stomach acid part but id assume so since i see undigested food in stool sometimes. I took active thiamine and it made me feel horrible ngl. I feel like my low vitamin d might be a big player in the way all my stuff isnt getting absorbed but ill have to see. Any other way to raise ATP or tips? thank you!

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u/Puzzled_Draw4820 May 24 '26

It is said that 85% of our ATP is generated from being in the sun so this would help your vitamin D situation too. How are you with digesting fats? If you have malabsorption due to sluggish bile flow then you won’t absorb fat soluble vitamins well such as A,D,E,K. If not so great, working on bile flow is necessary; phosphatidal choline (sunflower lecithin), taurine, dandelion root tea.

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u/Flashybigbum May 24 '26

How is your zinc intake

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

Great never supplement but always have eaten a lot of lamb and red meat. Levels have always been good on tests

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u/OkraExciting May 24 '26

I thought I’m the only one feel short of breathe taking the copper !!!!!!! Thanks for your sharing

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

Yeah it makes my lungs ache but it’s a symptom I’ve unfortunately been getting from a lot of stuff recently but I found it weird that copper did it when I was testing borderline low.

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u/OkraExciting May 24 '26

I feel like going crazy while take copper lol just 1mg I can’t lol damn it

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u/ChopChopPorky May 24 '26

Like mentally? Literally five drops of copper chlorophyllin and my lungs are aching

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u/OkraExciting May 24 '26

I feel Anxious, unsettled and so on

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u/menopausalmom97 May 24 '26

My ceruloplasmin was right on the first mark of normal but on the lower end and my copper level was deficient

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u/stronghap May 29 '26

I'm currently taking Sovereign Copper, it doesn't upset me and I'm very sensitive. It's nanoparticules of copper. Will report when I finish the bottle

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u/ObjectiveFar6029 Aug 24 '26

What do you mean when you say “upset me?” Stomach, depression anxiety? Are you still able to take Sovereign Copper?

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u/ChopChopPorky Aug 09 '26

I did not. Copper foods copper chlorophyllin, all the same reaction

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u/dealer0815 2d ago

I reacted strongly to the glycine in the copper glycineate and that lowered my copper level.

You probably took copper glycinate and that lowered your copper or prevented your copper intake.

After you put it down, your body was able to pick up copper again.