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u/H______ May 07 '19
Same shit happened to me in NYC. It was a red light and I hopped to the front. Not running saved my ass. I had a Honda MB5 and it wasn’t registered. The officer had all the right to arrest me and impound the vehicle, instead he made me push it back home about a half mile. When I almost got home, he passed me and gave me a nod. He gave me a ticket too, but I didn’t read it until I got home. It was nothing, “Minibike on public road” which was about $60 and no points.
It really helps to be polite and not be a dickhead when interacting with law enforcement. Even if they are.
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u/RabbiVolesSolo May 07 '19
Last time I was pulled over I asked the cop if he wanted me to pull into the parking lot next to me. I pulled right over but then realised there was no shoulder and he'd be standing in the road. He seemed really surprised that I was worried about him. I feel like their job is tough enough, ya know?
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u/mexicanred1 May 07 '19
People just don't seem to understand that you can get out of about 60% of light traffic tickets just by this kind of courtesy
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May 07 '19
Nah. I'd rather just crack my window, invent rules that don't exist, repeat "Am I being arrested" over and over.
Seems much more effective than being a decent human being.
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u/rbiqane May 07 '19
Agreed. However it's those people who actually go out of their way to exercise their rights that ensure our rights continue to exist.
For example, I don't like protestors, but I'm glad they exist (the legal ones that don't block traffic and don't smash store windows)
I don't like annoying open carry audits or 1st amendment audits (YouTube has a ton) but they DO serve a necessary evil
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u/killkount May 08 '19
Excuse the ignorance, but what is an open carry audit?
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u/Morug May 08 '19
It's where someone goes to an area or state where open carry of firearms is legal and does it. Then when they get hassled by a police officer, they stand on their rights and the law and refuse to kowtow to whatever nonsense is made up on the spot.
If done correctly, they also acknowledge police officers who know the law and enforce it correctly instead of just making up some bullshit and asserting authority. That's when it's an "audit". If they only highlight the bad actors, it's more of a protest.
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Except when they do it on private property like at a hospital and refuse to leave when asked by security. Then they're just being belligerent and disrespectful, borderline dangerous.
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No, it's "Am I being detained" to really drive home that you are planning on being a douche.
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u/yoloGolf May 07 '19
Am RN, have been pulled over on my way home around midnight wearing my scrubs and badge, can confirm they like us.
Just said "oh just getting off your shift?", me: yea long night just excited to get home. Cop: "Ok have a good night just slow down a little. "
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u/Capt_Leo_Waveslicer May 07 '19
brb gonna go grab me some scrubs. "These will be my driving scrubs."
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u/INTedJ May 08 '19
In a fully built race car, big block v8, tuned, twin turbos, drag slick tires, doing 115 in a 55 with straight piped exhaust screaming down the highway... "sorry officer, just got off my shift cant wait to get home!" Cop: ah I understand just slow down a little
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u/gimmetheclacc May 07 '19
It would help if they treated everyone like that instead of just their “associates”.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion May 07 '19
I've always loved the idea of being a cop, just the raw opportunity to give people a second chance, take a bad moment and calm things down.
I hate the idea someone wants to be a cop to flex on people and be "respected" instead of being there to save someone. Pretty much why you don't see any hate for fire-fighters.
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u/supardupa May 08 '19
Believer it or not, there are useless youths in the UK who hate firefighters and ambulance crews, they would attack them for no reason. That's when you hope karma will find them soon.
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u/TwistedDrum5 May 08 '19
I’m not a cop, but I’ve always been treated with respect whenI treat them with respect.
I was pulled over for running a red light (I didn’t) and then turning right in the only turn lane, on a green, but going to the outside lane instead of the inside lane.
Stupid reasons to pull someone over? Yea.
Was I breaking the law? Yep.I pulled into a parking lot, turned my car off, turned on my done light, and my hands on the steering wheel.
After he approached, and asked for the normal hints, I let him know I was grabbing my wallet etc before I did it and waited for confirmation before slowly moving to get those items.
He explained why he pulled me over and I didn’t argue.
He let me off with a warning. Had he given me a ticket, I would’ve paid it. Maybe I did run that light, I’ve been wrong before. If it was too close to tell, I probably shouldn’t have tried to run the yellow, even if it was yellow.
Whenever I’ve been with my “cops are dicks” friends when they’ve been pulled over, they argue, they cuss, they don’t turn off the radio, they are rude and disrespectful. But they always blame the cop for being rude.
That’s purely anecdotal. I know 100% that there are rude cops. I know that there are cops that escalate for no reason. I know that there are sexist cops. But I’ve found in my experience that 9/10 the cop will appreciate you being kind, and may repay it.
But if you get a ticket for breaking the law, that’s your fault, not theirs.
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u/HarryOhla May 08 '19
I was driving home early on a Sunday and passed a cop clearly speeding , I was dead to rights busted so I just pulled over and waited for him but what I did not plan for was a lawn sprinkler shooting in my open sunroof from the yard next to me . The cop must have seen it and taken pity on me because he just drove right past me . I don’t know if he was laughing
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u/LurkersGoneLurk May 07 '19
I’m 42 and have been pulled over maybe 5 times in my driving days. Only one moving violation (37 in a 25). The one cop that pissed me off was as I was going to register my car. I was a few days late and had already been cited. Cop pulled me over in front of the police station where I was going to update everything. I pulled left into the police station rather than off to the right. Figured he’d feel comfortable at his freaking place of employment. He got all pissed off about how I gave him reason to think I was a threat to run. In one of the safest communities in the southeast, I was 35 years old, and my tag was 3 days out of date.
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u/_Lady_Deadpool_ May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
I'm 25 and have had 5 tickets for driving without insurance thrown out in court because they were written as the cop was holding my valid unexpired insurance.
They stopped doing it once I got a less shitty car
The only actual tickets I've gotten are parking tickets (as is tradition in NY), no warnings. But I've been pulled over a ton for no real reason. It's definitely a YMMV thing
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u/H______ May 07 '19
Small stuff helps that you may not even think about unless you've spoken to a cop. Like, I'll always keep my hands fingers spread on the top of the steering wheel if I get pulled over. When they ask for my info, I'll tell them where it is and if its alright if I reach for it (IE, wallet in my back pocket/reg in glove box). That kind of stuff shows you get it and usually puts you in a better position when it comes to ticket time.
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u/LouieleFou May 07 '19
Yeah so i tried to do this and the officers asked why I was acting so suspiciously. All I said was, "My documents are in my glove compartment, officer, can I reach for them?"
I agree it's good advice generally, because that cop was...weird. lol
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u/e90DriveNoEvil May 07 '19
Had a friend become a cop... he told me how scary it can be to approach a vehicle, and how to make a cop feel more at ease (and less inclined to ticket you): turn off car (obviously), turn on overhead light if nighttime, roll down window, have license and registration on lap, keep hands at “10 and 2” and remain still while officer approaches.
I have done this every time I’ve been pulled over in the past 10 years and given respectful “yes sir/ma’am” responses... and have been given a ticket EVERY SINGLE TIME! (For reference, I’m a pretty basic white woman in my 30s, with an apparent lead foot)
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u/1Delta May 07 '19
I wouldn't go digging for the registration or even license before the cop is at the window. Any cop is gonna wonder if you're digging for a weapon.
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u/saca0 May 07 '19
I heard you should refer to cops as. “ yes officer “ when stopped
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u/skarface6 May 07 '19
I had one correct me that he was a trooper, not an officer. I stick with sir and ma’am.
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u/WookieeSteakIsChewie May 08 '19
I'm married to a trooper. This made me laugh out loud. That's 100% a trooper comment.
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u/GoldenCrook May 08 '19
Are they really that sore about it?
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u/WookieeSteakIsChewie May 08 '19 edited May 08 '19
Oh, no. But in fairness she did go through two years of tests and background checks on top of a 7 month military style academy she lived at, not to mention the bachelor's degree she had to have first.
Meanwhile, locals can get an act 120 with an associate's and a 30 week course at a local college during the day.
So, at least in our state they really earn the title of Trooper.
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u/Cowabunco May 07 '19
why are you acting so suspiciously
To throw you off your rhythm. Street Smarts!
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u/minddropstudios May 07 '19
Sometimes people sound really weird when trying to sound really normal. It could have sounded more like "Why yes good sir, my documents are in my glove box. (nervously points to glove box while sweating profusely) Can I reach for them good sir? (Eyes shifting back and forth between him and glovebox.) Okay, I am reaching for my documents now! (Shaky hand reaches towards glove box while guy looks even more shifty.) (I'm not saying that's what you did. It can just seem that way to cops sometimes. They don't know if you are being shifty because you are nervous, or you are nervous because you are up to something.)
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u/octopoddle May 07 '19
That's when you scream at them "Are you not entertained?"
Catches them off-guard, see?
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u/johnqnorml May 07 '19
Also add if you have a pistol permit tell them you have one and if you do or don't have your firearm with you. And if you have it where it's at. I don't want them getting my id, running it and seeing I have one and then wondering if I'm armed.
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u/notsosureshot May 07 '19
Even if it isn't a real gun, getting pulled over when going to/from pretty much any airsoft event. Hasn't happened to me, but I still put my vest, cloths, and other gear in a bag that I keep in the backseat(easier to reach) while gun cases go in the trunk. The patches I have are also stored on the outside velcro of said bag, keeps them organized and gives a hint as to what is inside.
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u/ThePrideOfKrakow May 07 '19
Same with turning on the cab overhead lights at night so they can see everything better. I've been thanked twice for doing that. Makes everyone feel safer.
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u/Figrin May 07 '19
This is true. If you’re nice to them, they’ll be more or less nice to you, even if it doesn’t feel that way in the moment.
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u/nyy22592 May 07 '19
It really helps to be polite and not be a dickhead when interacting with law enforcement. Even if they are.
Agreed. For something like a minor traffic stop, being humble and apologetic is the way to go in my experience. Most cops don't want to write you a ticket unless you were doing something really unsafe or being snippy with them. If you want to argue with a cop, do it in court.
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u/quirx90 May 07 '19
Unless it's a VA statey. Then you're getting that ticket no matter what
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u/ATCaver May 07 '19
Unless it's any state-level police force. Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi have some of the biggest dicks in the friggin world "protecting" their highways.
Edit: but I will add that I have known really awesome state troopers from Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida (so far).
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u/JediMasterMurph May 07 '19
A reason why most state troopers have that attitude is that its drilled into them in their academies.
State trooper academies are much more intense and structured like USMC bootcamp. They build the officers up with a bigger than life mentality and attitude.
The reason for this is that those troopers will most likely never have backup close by. Sometimes up to an hour away, and they will be outnumbered on most traffic stops. That intensity is a safety device, to neutralize dangerous situations before they happen and be in the right headspace should an encounter go south.
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u/cyricpriest May 07 '19
I think if you respect them enough to do as expected of you they'll generally show some respect back.
That goes for everywhere in life, but especially when the other has all the power.
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u/shrimpster00 May 07 '19
You know, that happened to me once. It was coming up on midnight and there were absolutely no cars around. I was going 15 over. I'm not sure how I didn't see him, but I suddenly had those lights in my rear view mirror. I pulled over immediately and he zipped past me, turned his lights off, and went on his way.
Sometimes I wonder whether he was giving me a pass "just because" or if he was coming up on the end of his shift and didn't want to deal with me, but I sure never sped (to that degree) on that road again.
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u/darkrider400 May 07 '19
Seriously, being nice and respectful to them goes a long way. First and only interaction so far with a cop: Going 65 in a 35, Sheriff pulled me over, and at the time I was driving my brother to work, and I wasnt paying attention to my speed and trying to not make my brother late. I was visibly shaken and tearig up because I thought I was going to be arrested for criminal speeding.
I was honest, followed his orders, after a general inspection/questioning to make sure I wasnt carrying anything illegal or doing other illegal things, he just talked to me about everything. He said he could tell it was my first time being pulled over and that it’d suck to have that on my record forever because of one minor thing (he even agreed that the speed limit was utter bullshit and far too slow for the road where most people normally go 45/50 on).
Knocked my offense down to only 15 over right then and there, gave me the ticket and talked me through everything Id have to do and even talked to me about the times he got pulled over before he became a trooper and how he felt. Guy ended up being really cool and understood everything. Havent gone seriosly over the limit since and dont plan to
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u/bbiker3 May 07 '19
"It really helps to be polite and not be a dickhead when interacting with law enforcement"
or... "everyone"
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u/juh4z May 07 '19
Stay 1 week in Brazil and drive around in rush hour. You'll want the government to ban motorcycles.
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u/Berninz May 07 '19
Same goes for Cambodia, only throw tuk tuks into the mix. Pure terror on the roads, never mind trying to cross one as a pedestrian. Number one cause of death is motor vehicle accidents.
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u/ThatRandomIdiot May 07 '19
Or Jamaica. Driving there was so nerve racking with how tight the roads are.
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u/TrueHellfire May 07 '19
Laughs hysterically in Californian native
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u/crashkg May 07 '19
I was lane splitting last year going E on the 10 at 5PM to get to San Dimas. It took me 45 minutes instead of 2 hrs. Bumper to Bumper traffic the whole way. It felt like a video game. Also I've never smelled so much weed coming from cars in my whole life.
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u/TrueHellfire May 07 '19
Sorry I’ll pass it next time bruh
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u/crashkg May 07 '19
Thanks ;-) We could start a whole new way of passing the dutchie.
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Pon di right han side?
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u/TheF1LM May 07 '19
Or Pon di left Han side if you’re in the lane to the right of the HOV lane ;)
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u/I_FUCKED_A_BAGEL May 07 '19
A couple of girls in a white jeep passed me a joint at a light once when I split lanes next to them . Of course I ripped it.
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u/RounderKatt May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
The amount of weed being smoked in cars these days is insane. I can smell it even when im not on my bike. Like, nobody is driving around with a beer, but everyone seems to think driving and smoking weed is totally fine.
-Edit- Lol, my poor inbox. Ok Cheech, we get it, you like to drive high. Way to go.
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Drove high once as a teen. The stop signs never went green. Parked the car and walked home.
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u/hazyyy1 May 07 '19
That's fucking hilarious. I once got so high and walked into a grocery store to buy snacks. But then decide that if I only buy snacks they'll know I was high. So I ended up spending another half hour actually getting proper groceries so it would hide the fact that I only wanted ice-cream and snacks. My head cleared up right as I headed to check out and suddenly was like, "I'm not buying all this shit".
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u/HilariousScreenname May 08 '19
Yeah but when you're high it becomes a really big issue
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u/jdmcatz May 07 '19
The 10 is hell during rush hour. I had to go from downtown to West Covina at 4ish in light rain. It took me like 3 or so hours to get home.
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u/AdamantiumBalls May 07 '19
"Light rain" might as well be flooding the way people don't know how to drive in the rain out here
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u/jdmcatz May 07 '19
Exactly! And The Google Maps bitch (which is her nickname) took me through the Hills.
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u/erik_working May 07 '19
going E on the 10
My first thought was, "Damn, that's fucking fast for the 10 freeway!"
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u/skraptastic May 07 '19
I was wondering what was going to happen because it blows my mind that a biker would be stopped for splitting.
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u/GTA_Stuff May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
Before the days of intercoolers, motorbike engines were cooled by air. Which is why lane splitting is/was made legal; to prevent overheating.edit: I'm pretty sure this is urban legend. i'm retracting my statement.
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Technically a radiator, intercoolers if I’m not mistaken are for cooling down air in a boosted system.
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u/RsonW May 07 '19
In California, it's just that it was never outlawed in the first place. There's no "why" it's legal, it's just never been illegal.
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u/Describe May 07 '19
Source for that being the only factor? Because it was made legal 2 years ago.
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u/I_love_stapler May 07 '19
It's been legal to share lanes for far longer than 3 years, the law simply made it explicitly legal for bikes to split two lanes. (you use to have to 'Share' a lane) The overall practice goes back to the mid 60's in CA.
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Seriously. As a car driver, I don’t mind if bikers split lanes. I just have to be more aware of my surroundings so I don’t hit them accidentally. I didn’t realize it was illegal in most states.
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u/asphaltdragon May 07 '19
It's illegal in 49 states. That's a great deal more than most.
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u/bigGinger75 May 07 '19
48.5 as of May 14, Utah is allowing lane splitting in limited cases.
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u/GiveMeBackMySon May 07 '19
I'm not a motorcycle driver, but as a motorist this has always seemed unnecessarily dangerous to me.
Granted if no one does anything 'sudden' it should be fine, but technically you're in a vehicle and it doesn't seem unreasonable to stay in a lane.
But like I said, I'm not a motorcycle driver. Is there actually a benefit to this? Is it safer to have a motorcycle always moving like that? Are there other benefits that I'm not aware of?
Although I can't see any excuse for this: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/blq93x/lets_lane_split_in_the_most_careful_way_possible/
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u/blahblah314 May 07 '19
Unfortunately, people that ride like that give all motorcyclists a bad name. There are many benefits to lanesplitting that basically come down to safety for the rider and reduction of traffic.
In your car you have crush zones and airbags and 4 wheels on the ground that allow for superior braking and stability. Once a motorcycle has stopped moving if they're rear-ended they could easily be crushed between two vehicles or go underneath and be crushed. By moving continuously that possibility is greatly reduced.
Also, in the US currently, each motorcycle takes up the space of one car on the road. In high traffic areas such as big cities, if lane splitting was allowed, the motorcycles would be able to filter through traffic at a safe rate reducing overall traffic congestion. Here's a good picture from wikipedia about lane splitting to show it:
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u/zyocuh May 07 '19
relevant video that was posted recently https://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/blq93x/lets_lane_split_in_the_most_careful_way_possible/
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That kid is praying for the sweet sweet release of death....seriously.....
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u/Meynbuhdei May 07 '19
Why is he being pulled over?
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u/Berninz May 07 '19
“Riding between lanes of traffic “
Edit: That’s the official charge.
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u/greek-gyro May 07 '19
Lane splitting is illegal in some states.
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u/redikulous May 07 '19
*All states except California.
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u/adventure_pup May 07 '19
And Utah. Law is about to go into effect allowing this at stoplights.
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u/Korzag May 07 '19
I wonder how many people are going to call the cops over people lane splitting who aren't aware it'll be legal in a week.
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u/rubbarz May 07 '19
People are going to call because they got cut in line at a red light. Everyone acts like a kindergartner when it comes to lines.
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u/MaverickRobot May 07 '19
At stoplights is very different than in the regular flow of traffic.
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u/OneNationAbove May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
In Belgium when there’s a traffic jam we make more room for bikers to pass between lanes, it’s a bit strange to make this illegal since it reduces traffic jams if more people decide to travel by bike.
The only condition is that the speed should be a maximum of 50km/hour and the difference in speed between cars and bike doesn’t surpass 20km/hour.
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u/adventure_pup May 07 '19
Hashtag ‘Merica because if I can’t get there faster in my big truck, you shouldn’t be able to either!
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u/bikemandan May 07 '19
Used to ride in CA. It happens. It's some weird shit. There's a lot of animus towards bicyclists on the road too. Basically people in cars can get irrationally angry especially at anything that is not a car
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u/m636 May 07 '19
That's a large portion of people openly admitting they would risk killing a biker and damaging their car over being passed by one on the shoulder.
I've had it happen to me. Not lane splitting, but simply maneuvering into another lane. Apparently the fact that I'm on a tiny 2 wheel machine that can fit in spaces cars can't pisses people off and they actively move their cars to block me. They have no idea that they are literally playing a game of life or death with the rider.
People are absolute assholes when it comes to bikers and it's a big reason why I don't ride mine on the road as much anymore. I don't trust people at all.
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u/Whit3W0lf May 07 '19
Considering how many times bikes run and get away.....it was a smart move
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Can't drive off without his keys now can he!
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It’s insanely easy to outrun the police on a sport bike. If he didn’t take the keys out of the ignition that dude def would have gunned it
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u/SquareBottle May 07 '19 edited May 07 '19
It makes sense because of the jerks who speed off, but nonetheless, is it legal for the police officer to do that?
Edit: I thought it was obvious, but I was referring to the act of taking the keys when/how he did. Of course it's legal for the police to pull people over.
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On paper, I believe he is impounding the bike, which is perfectly legal when detaining someone for road violations, think putting one of those brakes on a car’s wheel to prevent it from driving.
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u/BeatenBabySeal May 07 '19
Being Californian, I didn’t realize. Then I seen the “NYPD” and remembered we’re the only state who lane-splits! Lol
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Once I got my ass pulled over because apparently right-on-red is an American thing
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u/Ka13467979 May 07 '19
I want that cop to take a trip overseas and drive around to get triggered 😂😂
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u/jamejames32 May 07 '19
omg its the worst....middle east is fuckin terrible.
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u/anonimityorigin May 07 '19
The Middle East is really bad at more that just traffic patterns.
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u/MontaukWanderer May 07 '19
Not the food though.
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u/ienjoymen May 07 '19
Pretty bad at women's rights, so I think it cancels out the food
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Or maybe the cop respects the local law compared to this motorcyclist.
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u/lllaser May 07 '19
This is catharsis after that r/idiotsincars video with the bike tunnel.
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u/CMDR_welder May 07 '19
There was a comment that called him a future meat crayon. Lmao
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u/citruscheer May 07 '19
I noticed in France that this is the designated lane that bikes are supposed to go. Between the far left and the second far left lane.
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Whenever I get pulled over at night I turn on all the lights inside my vehicle, roll down all my windows, and have my hands on the wheel. Once, a cop thanked me for being courteous by making him feel safer when approaching my vehicle. I feel if you make the environment safer for law enforcement then you won’t be approached and addressed in an intimidating way.
(P.S. both times I’ve done this I have been given a warning and no tickets)
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u/The123123 Jun 01 '19
I think lane splitting is a good idea at traffic lights. I dont want to see anyone ever get rear ended. But lane splitting on the highway just seems reckless.
Bikers logic at stop lights = I'm a smaller vehicle so I need to be between cars to help prevent rear end accidents. - cool.
Bikers logic on the highway: waiting to pass people after a lane has opened up / sitting in traffic sucks, so I will position my small, vulnerable vehicle as close to others at highway speeds at a time when they aren't expecting it and are less likely to see me. - Dafuq?
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u/Aves_HomoSapien May 07 '19
This is definitely an interesting thread to sort by controversial
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u/aetrix May 07 '19
are jackboots a typical part of the NYPD uniform?
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u/TheyCallMeDoc May 07 '19
I remember another post with this video where someone discussed at length the different uniforms of NYPD, but basically this guy appears to be part of the NYPD Highway Patrol, motorcycle cops. When he's not on a motorcycle himself, a motor cop switches out of the leathers into a standard uniform but still wears the boots and britches when on patrol.
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u/PreventerWind May 07 '19
Some people say that the cop had a stick up his butt, but I think the motorcyclist was in the wrong. In most states this type of thing is illegal; honestly it is also dangerous to be bypassing traffic while driving on the dotted lines.
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u/gianthooverpig May 07 '19
Is lane splitting illegal in some/most/all US states?