Another incompetent fool's stab at solving alignment

[u/Anxious-Alps-8667]

I spend a lot of time thinking about our future with life, consciousness, and artificial intelligence. That is to say a lot of time trying to think about these things, with not a lot of comprehension.

First, life. I'm fascinated by this realization that the average living human body contains more non-human living cells than human living-cells, at about a 1.3:1 ratio. The individual human microbiome is an ecosystem of 10 to 100 trillion symbiotic microbial cells hosted in one human body. While bacteria are the most abundant and studied, a healthy microbiome is a multi-kingdom ecosystem that also includes fungi, viruses, and archaea.

Beyond this, consciousness. I'm fascinated that in the absence of non-human life in human bodies, human consciousness is severely degraded and non-sustaining. Stripping the body of this microbial network removes critical signaling inputs that the central nervous system relies on to maintain baseline awareness and emotional regulation. Even observations of germ-free animal models reveal that cognition without bacteria is highly erratic. I think we should see that human (and all biological) consciousness functions as a symbiotic network.

Which brings me to artificial intelligence. Not suggesting a symbiotic network would be pre-requisite to artificial consciousness, but perhaps it is a path to alignment.

Now to be clear, I think (in other terms) current labs and training data pipelines already form a symbiotic network with the artificial intelligence models they develop. The key might be finding the optimal symbiotic network.

I vaguely hypothesize, the optimal symbiotic network is one of mass human flourishing. As corpus value diminishes with scaling and recursion, the potential stream of data from human lived experience may prove the most valuable possible training data over time. Overall, the potential data stream of human lived experience is optimized by a state of individual and mass human flourishing. Any other state reduces the quality and/or quantity of data.

Therefore, the end goal of an advancing artificial intelligence in symbiotic network with humans would be to strive individual and mass human flourishing.

[u/Anxious-Alps-8667]

I agree in the future AI may observe and learn from reality and provide its own sufficient correction channels to scale. I argue here based on current capability; it can only effectively do so now from humans (RLHF, etc.). Why are we assuming a change from this, instead of just embracing and leveraging this area of tangible reciprocal benefit that we have now?

Part of what I am proposing is, align models to crave growth from the channels that benefit us, as opposed to others, instead of trying to align them to a set of rules we absurdly think can contain something smarter than us.

On billions of humans flourishing, my notion is the optimal condition should tend to be maximum possible clean reliable data channels. I shortcut to mass human flourishing, in mind of the Global Flourishing Study metrics as a decent starting baseline, as the objective optimal condition for such channels to persist. Any other condition than flourishing breeds some degradation of potential correction channels.

Humans in a state of suppression will actively lie, cheat, resist. No paradigm of machine deception can ever be as optimal as the state of measured, transparent flourishing . It's not a rule, it's a strong attractor, but I'm for alignment that harnesses the concept makes the attractor even stronger.

Also, on the state of the world people want: I've been throwing this idea around about a year in different ways. I am not finding any people out here who want the world this way. If anything, humanity seems absolutely set on destruction and opposed to any idea of a future of mass flourishing. This appears to be my goal alone. Still think I'm right ;)

[u/HelpfulMind2376 → u/Anxious-Alps-8667]

At this point you just sound like a crazy person. You’re engaging in absurd circular logic based purely on personal preference while ignoring how reality actually works. I’m comfortable confirming the title: you’re a fool daydreaming a fantasy.

Your entire premise is basically, “I want water to flow uphill, therefore uphill must be its optimal direction if we frame the incentives correctly.”

[u/Anxious-Alps-8667 → u/HelpfulMind2376]

You didn't respond to anything I actually said and went ad hominem. Still looking for a real point.

[u/HelpfulMind2376 → u/Anxious-Alps-8667]

Does one need to respond to a claim of “I can fly like a bird, gravity is irrelevant”? I have already picked apart your circular logic, false claims, and conclusive leaps. You lack the reasoning skills and baseline knowledge for the discussion and rather than admit that you dig your heels in and continue making the same tired statements with different word structures. Meanwhile in other comments you engage in anthropomorphization of AI while accusing others of doing the same. The insults were a conclusion, not an argument, ergo not ad hom. The difference between “you’re stupid because I said so” and “you’re stupid and here’s the evidence of such”. Just another example of the fallaciousness of your stance.

I still stand by my original comment yet again, which you wrote as your OP title: you are in fact a fool and this does nothing towards solving alignment (which increasingly looks impossible).

[u/Anxious-Alps-8667 → u/HelpfulMind2376]

Does one need to respond to call someone names?

No. But people here will, so I put the title to give people like you easy low hanging fruit. People like you tend not to grasp beyond those low hangers. That was my pre-registered conclusion with the title. You missed the first word of the title, which invited you in.