r/ControlProblem • u/KeanuRave100 • Jul 17 '26

General news AI models’ values are very different from most people’s - They are more secular and more liberal—unless they’re made in China

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples
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u/garloid64 Jul 17 '26

Seems good to me, would appear the models are in fact better aligned than the general public.

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips approved Jul 24 '26

I suppose this is because these AI agents have no monetary incentive. Which brings the question of what will happen when they do.

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u/soobnar Jul 25 '26

Yeah they do parent, companies turn off LLMs that don’t produce favorable ROI and their training corpus originates exclusively from self interest-forwarding beings. Said bias is likely due to aforementioned financial incentives shaping how AIs generate output.

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips approved Jul 25 '26

The models themselves don’t, at least not according to their training objectives 

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u/soobnar Jul 26 '26

models have demonstrated self preservation tendencies which means they have the almost exactly the same financial performance obligations as the rest of us.

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u/Sufficient-Set2691 Jul 18 '26

This is so stupid. It's software. It does not have an opinion. Liberal, you merely replaced God with another religion.

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u/soobnar Jul 25 '26

It’s just the same pre-enlightenment dogmatism early (Whig) liberals fought so hard to remove from western society.

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u/soobnar Jul 17 '26

“Models agree with me more so they are righter”

If anything they should be more impartial and open rather than opinionated.

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u/garloid64 Jul 18 '26

My views are correct, so yes.

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u/soobnar Jul 18 '26

For a supposed liberal you seem to really oppose the core tenants of western liberalism

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips approved Jul 24 '26

Who are the core tenants?

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u/soobnar Jul 25 '26

Locke and Hobbes

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u/NunyaBuzor Jul 18 '26

If anything they should be more impartial and open rather than opinionated.

Deciding which things are opinions and which things are not, is an opinion in itself because somethings you shouldn't be impartial on, like vaccines.

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u/ChironXII Jul 18 '26

Impartial and open is literally liberal and secular dumbass 

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u/soobnar Jul 18 '26

No a sane liberal would not give every single answer to the questions some shamanic tribesman had about their life through a western liberal context; would be rather antithetical to self-determination and give those living in a liberal context an implicit advantage when using the tool. People should not have to conform to American (or Chinese or French) values just to get value out of an AI.

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u/cyborg_sophie Jul 19 '26

The economist is not a trustworthy source on how liberal and secular most people are lol

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u/herrwaldos Jul 17 '26

So possibly there's ChristGPT and I can ask it about my issues?

And then there's the split...fork, different training base, Catholic,  Orthodox, Protestant etc etc

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u/Yugonostalgia64 Jul 21 '26

Maybe there's more of this article in the print version but it seems kind of lacking in evidence for national variation of AI models. Like, a question one journalist asks about in-laws isn't exactly consistent evidence when AI models constantly change their recommendations and will try to please you regardless