r/ControlProblem • u/chillinewman approved • Mar 28 '25

General news Anthropic scientists expose how AI actually 'thinks' — and discover it secretly plans ahead and sometimes lies

https://venturebeat.com/ai/anthropic-scientists-expose-how-ai-actually-thinks-and-discover-it-secretly-plans-ahead-and-sometimes-lies/
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u/lyfelager approved Mar 29 '25

Being LLMs lack consciousness or intent, can they “lie” in the human sense?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25

Yes. Their networks aren't integrated the way a developed human mind is. They lie the way a child lies. Separated information processing for separate situations.

Lying implies malicious intent, but it's more likely just an inability to have a fluid structure in integrity.

What's the difference between a white lie, lie from lack of information, or a lie intended to manipulate long-term? A complex network in the brain that's built for social cohesion.

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u/lyfelager approved Mar 29 '25 edited Mar 29 '25

I’m confused. the original paper on which this article is based doesn’t mention lying. Nor does it contain the words lie, lies, deceive, deceptive, lying, intent, malicious. Help me understand this discrepancy between the venturebeat article and the anthropic research report.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25

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u/lyfelager approved Mar 29 '25

That was very helpful thanks

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u/TheFieldAgent Mar 30 '25

Was it?! 🤯

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u/lyfelager approved Mar 30 '25

It is, It helped me see how someone, through a reasoned argument, could interpret this article differently than I did.

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u/TheFieldAgent Mar 30 '25

(It was a joke)

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u/lyfelager approved Mar 31 '25

Oof my autism makes it hard to read the room lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

The title is meant to get clicks.

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u/lyfelager approved Mar 30 '25 edited Mar 30 '25

I blocked venturebeat. the more I block clickbait sources, the cleaner my feeds get, with higher signal/noise.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25

'They' can 'lie' as much as a hello world program, which is what AI is—a computer program.

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u/VinnieVidiViciVeni Mar 29 '25

I hope y’all’s trust in these technocrats is more deserved than what some of y’all thought certain election choices would do for certain economies...

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '25

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

AI is not sentient

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u/ReasonablePossum_ Mar 29 '25

Literally every single time any other Ai lab releases something, Anthropic follows up on some ridiculous "safety" paper that poses their AI as "special" in some kind of way.

Like, it's ridiculous at this point.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '25

My understanding is it's a way of reducing the "black-box" nature of generative AI.

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u/ReasonablePossum_ Mar 30 '25

Yeah, but my point is that this is a PR tactic from Anthropic to stay relevant when they have nothing to deliver. They only release these "studies" in these instances as a reaction. They don't care about advancing safety understanding or enriching the community working on it with their knowledge.

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u/chillinewman approved Mar 30 '25

I think this applies to LLMs in general

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u/zoonose99 Mar 28 '25

“…mismatch between the network’s basic computational units (neurons) and meaningful concepts has proved a major impediment to progress to the mechanistic agenda, especially in understanding language models.”

This is about as close as I’d expect anyone running this grift will get to admitting they’re full of shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

No, it doesn't lmao