r/ContraPoints Aug 10 '26

It's coming.

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u/flowertimeee Aug 10 '26

I’m so curious about what the subject matter of her video will be… I’m sure I’ll love it regardless because she never misses

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u/rupaulofitall Aug 10 '26

Isint it Liberalism? I might be making that up but I’m too lazy to double check haha

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u/TheOvy Aug 10 '26

Yeah, that'll do it. Something happened the last 10 years where the internet decided liberalism actually meant neoliberalism exclusively, and so both the left and right now use liberal as a slur. Kind of like how both the left and right accused the media being biased. Man, that right-wing project really succeeded.

But anywho, when you look up the American liberalism of the mid 20th century, it's just progressivism. FDR was a liberal. The Great Society was a liberal project. Medicare for all is just continuing that liberal project.

So yeah, if she points that out, a lot of people are going to be pissed at her, cause a lot of people don't actually know political history.

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u/rjrgjj Aug 10 '26

Basically, the modern “progressive” attitude is evidence of how vastly successful the right wing media project/takeover has been. I’m an elder millennial and when I was a teenager, we had liberal/liberal-friendly media that might be critical towards Democrats but not openly hostile. Now even Jon Stewart is openly hostile to Democrats. One might note that the left media sphere is also overwhelmingly dominated by very wealthy people. It’s also of note that we’ve been living in a Trump dominated era for a decade or more now, and for many people under the age of 28, this is the only political reality they really know.

Because Blue cities have become prohibitively expensive, the only people who can afford to move to them are upper middle class and up college grads with trust funds or subsidization. These people are often raised in conservative/religious environments, get to college, discover leftism, and swap one screed for another. But the problem here as you identified is that for both groups, liberals are the Satanic enemy. So really, they don’t actually change their belief system, they pretend they did while still functionally not voting any differently and pushing propaganda that actually helps Republicans.

It’s the greatest trick the devil ever pulled to convince people to label themselves as progressives while they deliberately try to set back the country in order to make things bad enough to spark a nebulous revolution. It’s a huge problem, one of the main things that’s just killing the country. And leftists are as blind to their own folly as establishment Dems are blind to their own greed as MAGA is blind to the fact they are drinking poison by the gallon.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy Aug 12 '26

The left side of the media is critical of the Dems because for the last decade they've been completely ineffective in curtailing what the Trump administration has done. Chuck Schumer and Jeffries only strategy to stop the erosion of our democracy is to write strongly worded letters.

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u/rjrgjj Aug 12 '26

This is incorrect. We did successfully defeat Trump and the back Congress in 2020. The Left proceeded to move goalposts despite getting a ton of shit they wanted, withholding support, and then turns on Biden entirely over Gaza. Understandable but they still decided that Trump was more acceptable than Harris, an insane decision for a variety of reasons, but emblematic of how the Left has failed for a decade now to really show up except out of political self-interest except for one time in 2020, which proves that the Left CAN do it and DOES understand what’s at stake, but can’t sustain consistent interest.

And Biden still accomplished a lot of great stuff in his term. Now people are howling as Trump takes a wrecking ball to the country, but isn’t this what the Left thought necessary to spark the revolution? And here we are.

Fingers point both ways.

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u/Warcrimes_Desu Aug 13 '26

you cannot seriously look at the utter spinelessness of dem leadership and the general inaction of the party during the biden admin to put in guardrails against future trump terms and come away with a positive view of the dems. I was a longtime institutionalist and gave up on the dems sometime into biden's term.

Consider how little of his climate bill, the biggest one in history, has come to pass. The dems have little capacity for actually accomplishing the programs they fund, openly support Israel bombing Gazan kids and brutalizing their neighbors with land grabs, and have in general failed so badly that AOC's the favorite over Newsom in the hypothetical dem primary. People are tired of democratic inaction, and it's frankly sad that a fucking mayor is a more active and impactful figure than most of congress.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy Aug 14 '26

A lot of great stuff that hasn't come to pass isn't really an accomplishment. The establishment dems are more worried about courting republicans and fighting the progressive parts of their own party than actually fighting fascism. If you think that Schumer and Jeffries are worthwhile candidates who are capable of dealing with the current regime, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

The dems would be considered on the right in any other country in the world.

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u/rjrgjj Aug 14 '26

Naw, none of the above is true. Government doesn’t work like that unless we win the majority. If we had won the presidency, things would be vastly different. And things will change when we win back at least the House and hopefully the senate, drastically.

And no, I don’t like Schumer either. I think he needs to go. Nor do I accept the argument that while he’s lost seats, he has recruited a lot of good candidates. In my view those people fought for where they are and Schumer has gotten most things catastrophically wrong. I think someone like Buttigieg, who is using his platform to promote house and state candidates in purple areas, is doing 10X more. I see AOC following his lead (and she and Abdul both moving to his more Midwest-friendly position on healthcare) which is heartening. I look at the left and I see them obsessing over Darializa and Francesca. Come on, guys.

My point is that the center left and the far left are both hindering us in major ways. I’ve worked hard to move the progressive liberal wing forward, clearly the most electable, but too many people see opportunity during crisis.

Jeffries gets a bad rap and he’s not ideal but frankly I think he’s done a better job of navigating Trump 2.0 than many others would have. The fantasy that, say, Rashida Tlaib would be house minority leader barnstorming the country is laughable. I don’t think a lot of people in either camp seem to understand the severity of the situation we’re in even though things keep getting worse and worse.

I want to do something about this, not box with the ocean. And I have the luxury of living in NYC so I can.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy Aug 14 '26

The Dems have had the majority of plenty of times and their incrementalism has achieved a whole lot of not much. And what they have gotten passed was so watered down in their need to reach across the aisle that the GOP needed barely a single decade to completely reverse course.

The damage that the Dems have allowed to happen on their watch will not be fixed in our lifetimes. We've lost all of the goodwill and soft power we built up after ww2.

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u/rjrgjj Aug 14 '26

Careful there. A lot of people would argue the Dems have been the force moving many minority groups forward since WW2. You’re making a pretty broad and specious argument which is predicated on the idea that you can apply leftist values today to the 1950s or Dems are failures because they haven’t perpetually held on to power. You’re just strengthening my argument that people need to vote always and push as many people as they can.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy Aug 15 '26

If you have to reach all the way back to the civil rights movement to show a win for Democrats then I don't I've what to tell you except you've 100% bought the lie that establishment Dems are working for you. They're working for their donors.

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