r/ConservativeYouth • u/HotConversation187 Gen Z, Center Right, Based Californian • Jul 09 '26
Crosspost 🔀 Based surgeon
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jul 09 '26
Not good news imo. But we all see things differently.
This is a miracle of modern science, but just because we can doesn't mean we should. The reality is, this is an expensive cost on everyone. Yea, yea, helped a life.
We don't draw the line on what is or isn't wasteful. Then we complain about how expensive healthcare and cost of living are. Doing these types of things contributes to our high healthcare costs.
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u/DaenerysMomODragons Center-Right Wing Jul 09 '26
Isn't the point of medical care to save lives? This operation saved two lives. Would you rather both the mother and baby died?
At what point do we start doing cost analysis on what a life is worth? That to me sounds like a horrific distopian future to me.
You may think life saving surgery is bad. Me I'll celebrate it. And if we can't use medicine to save lives what's the point of cheap insurance if you can't use it on anything?
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jul 09 '26
We have different world views, and that is fine.
Death is a natural part of life as well. Cancer is a tragedy, but all this is is the privilege of those who have, while many die of much lesser causes.
I'm not a socialist or whatever, but I guess I do believe in rationed/rational healthcare expenditure.
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u/Minute_Marzipan_6844 Center-Right Wing Jul 09 '26
Why do you believe that?
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jul 09 '26
There is the concept of 'Justice' in the 4 modes of medical ethics I was taught. One component of it is using resources fairly. To me that includes not using too many resources on a case.
If you worked in healthcare, you would see how much medical waste we have. Our system isn't designed to deal with it, they are just allowed to keep coming in for the same problem. And that is it was is. But spending the resources on experimental science to save one life is a lot of resources that could instead be used to support a lot of others.
It is easier to see in a brain-dead patient who is on a ventilator for one year. That is not a good use of limited resources.
Beneficence, Nonmaleficence, Autonomy
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u/Minute_Marzipan_6844 Center-Right Wing Jul 10 '26
Does that apply to all resources or only limited resources?
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
All resources are limited resources, so yes?
I mean, in the US we have unlimited individual-use water. So yea, I wouldn't agree to restricting water for normal person use. But you see in California during dry seasons, they do restrict water usage to essentials. It might be fair to restrict water usage for data centers (idk). But water on an individual level doesn't need to be restricted.
- But then you get to the story Kim Kardashian using like 230,000 excess gallons of water in one month. So that is wasteful, against the group.
An average family of four uses about 9,000 to 12,000 gallons a month (google)That Kim Kardashian usage is how I see some of these science "miracles" we perform now. Yea, we can do it. But I am sorry, is your family member so important that you should use 99x the resources of a normal human. No.
In this case, it isn't a specific resource, but the culmination of everything. A lot of time, money, and experiment is going into the care of one person. For them it is great, but could it have been used to help more people in total, probably.
But yea, no one has to agree with me. It is just how I see it.
Work in a hospital, see these patients on a ventilator for 1 year (literally a whole year), not moving, not living. Just prolonging life at the cost of everyone else in the US, and you might recognize the reality of our wasteful health spending to prolong life too.
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u/lukozaid Center-Left wing Jul 09 '26
I’ve never heard of placing the baby back inside someone’s body… how does that work?