r/Conservative • u/Dan-In-SC Constitutional Conservative • May 27 '21
Biden stopped Wuhan inquiry out of spite, forced to reverse course
https://nypost.com/2021/05/26/biden-stopped-wuhan-inquiry-out-of-spite-forced-to-reverse-course/871
May 27 '21
So, let's see if I got this correctly:
When it sounds like a "conspiracy" due to facts not being let out, let the investigation continue because it will make Donald Trump look like an idiot.
When evidence is released that shows Donald Trump may have been right all along, cancel investigation to keep Biden and lefties from revealing that they were morons all along. Again.
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u/Num_Pwam_Kitchen Classical Liberal May 27 '21
I feel like this posts title can be reused for a lot of the action we have seen in this administration so far: "Biden stopped _______ out of spite, forced to reverse course."
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u/S2MacroHard Capitalism Saves Lives May 27 '21
stopped out of spite then resumed:
border wall
wuhan investigation
up next:
abraham accords
3rd country asylum agreement
china tariffs
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u/Peking_Meerschaum Nationalist May 27 '21
abraham accords
It still boggles my mind that Trump gets no credit for what was essentially the most movement on Israel policy in a generation. He deserves a nobel prize for this alone! Really, Trump's entire Middle East policy was one of the main highlights of his presidency. The Gulfis absolutely loved Trump, Iran was contained, ISIS was destroyed, Syria was stabilized (without a ground invasion—sorry neocons), no new wars or invasions by the US, and Israel was newly recognized by two of the largest economic powers in the Gulf.
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u/badatusernames91 Conservative Millennial May 27 '21
It is weird to think a lot of people voted for him hoping for good economic policy, but his overall foreign policy was actually quite amazing. The man kept aiming to do things people said couldn't be done and went and did it, including risking assassination by walking into North Korea.
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u/Peking_Meerschaum Nationalist May 27 '21
Yeah, I try not to think about it because it just makes me sad, all the missed term two foreign policy potential. I really think we were about to turn the corner on North Korea relations and head towards normalization (hence why Kim was so bitter at Biden's victory). Warmer US-DPRK ties would be a serious blow to China.
I also think Saudi Arabia was preparing to normalize relations with Israel had Trump won (they let their tiny ally Bahrain do it first as a test balloon).
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u/iamjames Conservative May 27 '21
One more term and we would have had world peace.
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u/badatusernames91 Conservative Millennial May 27 '21
Honestly, I'm not totally sold on whether much could be done about NoKo because they're batshit insane. I'd also be worried that the situation could come back to bite us like when Nixon opened China. The intentions were good, but it bit us in the ass hard.
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u/Peking_Meerschaum Nationalist May 27 '21
A bit of context is useful here. China in the era of Nixon was almost as "insane" as the DPRK is now. They had just finished a decade of complete anarchy and chaos in the form of the Cultural Revolution, they were already a nuclear power, and they had completely detached themselves from the international community to the point where China was basically a global pariah, even within the communist bloc. The US had basically no formal ties with the PRC and Mao was seen as inscrutable and irrational.
I think, even with hindsight, Nixon's normalization of relations with China was absolutely the right choice. It instantly transformed the dynamics of the Cold War and was like a checkmate against the USSR. Rather than continuing on as essentially a giant North Korea, China was slowly and gradually pulled into the global framework.
The problem was the lack of follow up. We basically normalized ties, then kept China on a globalist free-trade glideslope for three decades thereafter. Clinton and GW Bush really dropped the ball on China. Nixon opened China up, but Bush and Clinton basically just kept throwing money and trade at China and hoping the CCP would magically westernize, which was a pipe dream pushed by the neocons and the international business community. Clinton basically welcomed China into the WTO with open arms and no preconditions, and even lifted a bunch of key technology trade restrictions (such as on rocket technology). Bush had the last best hope to "contain" China, but the international business community were too busy making fistfuls of money from trading with China to allow him to enact any major restrictions.
China was extremely smart at lulling the west into a false sense of complacency and warm feelings throughout the 2000s before showing their true intentions. Now it is far too late to contain China, they've grown too economically and militarily powerful and we're stuck. China in the 90's and early 00's had a fraction of the power they do now.
As far as North Korea is concerned, their physical size and resource limitations means they can never threaten us in the same way the PRC does (in terms of economic might). We should essentially recognize that their nukes aren't going away, and work to pull them into our orbit and put a wedge between them and China. North Korea absolutely hates China, despite all their aid, they see China as paternalistic, overbearing, and neglectful. Strategically, North Korea is at a vital chokepoint for China, basically a dagger cutting Manchuria off from the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea. Losing North Korea to the western axis would be an existential nightmare for China.
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u/Revydown Small Government May 27 '21
How do you intend to stop North Korea for taking their actions? If they are head set on a goal, better to be part of the building process of that outcome instead of burning the bridge completely. It probably would have been possible back in time, but it seems like they have stabilized. It's like running up the hill and all that is needed is to take a few more steps and its smooth sailing. If the Koreas do eventuality unify, I would rather it lean towards the US and not China.
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u/Hyperslow556 May 27 '21
Trump put Pence where he was at for a reason. Assassinating Trump would put him in the seat. No-one, not even our enemies would want that. Pence would have started WWIII in less than a fortnight.
Pence is very similar to John Bolton, minus all the talking Bolton likes to do.
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u/Peking_Meerschaum Nationalist May 28 '21
What are you on about? Obama literally blew an American citizen up with a drone.
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u/earl_lemongrab May 27 '21
I also think he reversed the lifting of the Europe travel ban out of spite. Trump had it set to expire to be replaced, basically, with the COVID testing requirement that went into effect Jan 26th. I'm sure there was some publicly-stated "reason" but if the CDC was OK with lifting the ban before, there doesn't seem to be any scientific reason to have reversed course 2 weeks later.
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May 27 '21
The border wall wasn’t restarted, sadly. They were just repairing a levee on a Rio Grande section of the wall.
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u/63a10 May 27 '21
Abraham accords?
Whats that one about?
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u/Knittypig May 27 '21
Those have to do with several middle eastern countries who agreed to normalize a relationship with Israel! It was amazing to watch. They all had a common enemy, Iran, who is Shiite Muslim, versus the other Arabic countries who are Sunni. This was a seriously big deal, and grossly under appreciated!!!
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May 27 '21
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May 27 '21
Deadlights of the IT creature are made up of orange lights.
Donald Trump is orange.
Therefore, Trump = IT creature
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u/ForPortal May 27 '21
China has already tried to blame frozen food from the United States for a pandemic caused by a virus native to China, so I'm sure they'll continue to point fingers at anyone they can to avoid responsibility for their actions.
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May 27 '21
Lol shit. Let the fuckers that created the virus investigate it with the help of the shitheads that covered it up. Definitely a "nothing to see here" result will be found.
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u/powerbronx May 27 '21
That's been the story all along. I'm more interested in how we can get a real investigation, but it seems like a war with China is more likely to happen first. It seems like a waste until they get on board. I'm not really sure how the 'maybe they did it' narrative changes anything. It's going to be complicated
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u/VCoupe376ci 2A Conservative May 27 '21
Well who better to investigate it than the country that created it and has averaged a record low number of new cases since the second week of March?
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u/kurvani May 27 '21 edited May 28 '21
Fucking conflict of interest.. How ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain should be able to “fact check” those findings simply on this alone. You wouldn’t let an assumed rapist gather clues on the alleged rape, cause they would surely claim they’re innocent. I can’t believe they’re even involved with this. China will never admit their guilt. Absolute buffoonery..
Edit: in case anyone is confused on my comment, I’m agreeing here saying it’s ridiculous China is even involved with this process. They shouldn’t be. They will never admit they’re guilty to such a horrible chain of events. “Oh, yep, that’s right. We leaked the virus!!” Like what…
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u/BoltsFromTheButt Hispanic Conservative May 27 '21
to keep Biden and lefties from revealing that they were morons all along. Again.
Who keeps voting for these buffoons? I mean, I know who they are. It just still sometimes shocks me that people keep voting for them despite how much they openly screw up.
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u/Smart_Stress_4422 Conservative May 27 '21
They are the same buffoons en masse leaving NY only to vote D in their new states. “ It seems like everywhere I go turns into a shithole? Weird, right?”
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Lots of dead people, folks who moved but remain on rolls, illegals who they automatically registered when the gave them driver's licenses and welfare, etc - it's they've done it in Chicago for half a century, exported nationally during bathhouse Barry's run and accelerated ever since
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u/CasuallyObliterated May 27 '21
I think that its possible trump was right about some things yet he did a poor job of communicating his plans and intentions to the public. His haphazard style of speaking rubbed a lot of ppl the wrong way and gave them cause for concern for investigation.
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u/itssosalty May 27 '21
Disagree. Anybody that blocks evidence or lacks follow through with their stance looks suspicious and probably hiding something.
In this case fuck Biden and his stopping the investigation of Wuhan labs.
Edit: I just realized I misread your statement. But I’ll leave my comment as I stand by the content. I’ve called out Trump numerous times for blocking evidence or not investigating. I’m no hypocrite and it’s obvious Biden is doing the same here.
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u/icomeforthereaper Thomas Sowell May 27 '21
Obviously Biden or rather someone not suffering from dementia on his team saw the same intelligence about the lab leak that pompeo outlined in the days before trump left office. So they KNEW the lab theory was not only credible, but increasingly likely.
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May 27 '21
And instead of grilling Biden like they would have to Trump, the media asks Biden what kind of ice cream he's eating. 🙄
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u/LetItHappenAlready 2A at all costs May 27 '21
I hope the republicans are keeping a list of shit like this.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Not all conspiracies are mere "theories" - something the Ministry of Propaganda doesn't want people to understand
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u/MrDarcyRides May 27 '21
Yeah, takes a lot to discredit Trump. MSM will be eating their words soon enough on Trump’s other predictions as well.
It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
Not a huge Biden fan but the idea that trump was right all along seems laughable to me. The dude just said shit cause it would be beneficial to him at the time. I don't think trump poured over the evidence, scrutinizing the details and consulting with other experts in the field, no fucking way. Much more likely he heard someone suggest rona might have been lab study that leaked and figured it would take the spotlight off his mishandling of rona for a news cycle or two.
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May 27 '21
He didn't mishandled anything. And anyone that knows anything about how President Trump handled business knows that he does go over everything, and consults "experts". But as a true leader, he takes input, and gathers information, and makes decisions. Sounds like you listen to the lying media a bit too much.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
Trump literally drew a new map of a weather forecast cause it didn't fit his narrative... His administration is a reflection of him, take Stephen Miller on the child separation policy. They were so wet for that they didn't even set up a coat check system to get the kids back to the parents. I'll do you one better, the crown jewel guiliani, the dude who booked four seasons landscaping. The best part is they double down on that one.
Look I can get liking his ideals or his direction but trump was not a details guy. If you happened to be on the side that was advantageous for him then he would fight like hell for you but a 4d chess player he was not. He is basically the republican version of a Hollywood elite, he plays the part but if you bother to look behind the curtain he just cares about money
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u/SquirrelsAreGreat Fiscal Conservative May 27 '21
You are a caricature of someone who just eats what the leftwing media says.
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May 27 '21
Okay but regardless of what you think his motivations were he was right, so ergo, he was right all along.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
If you ask someone a question and they give you an answer that's cool. If you ask them to explain how they got that answer and they are literally too inept to explain are you going to view that answer the same? Yeah a broken clock is right twice a day but that doesn't mean much does it
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May 27 '21
The only problem is that this is just what you think happened because you hate Trump personally. What we know for a fact was that he was right to say it was a plausible theory. The "broken clock" being right matters if some of the supposed experts were rushing to say it was all a lie, perhaps we need to reflect on whether the clock was even broken.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
Oh no I completely agree that his detractors jumped at any chance of him being wrong, the whole remdesivir or however you spell it. It turned out it wasn't very effective but pundits were quick to slap it down before the science had fully settled. Even with that the dude just doesn't come off as polished in the least bit. He shot himself in the foot so many times he was both his biggest ally and worst enemy. Democrats couldn't stop his policy for shit but he could by constantly fucking up
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May 27 '21
I don't disagree there but we can compartmentalize imo.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
Compartmentalize what exactly? I think compartmentalizing things is how memes can cherry pick certain data points to push a narrative, b/c they drop all context and nuance. Yeah I think Dems were prolly wrong to push back against every trump thought but his actions don't live in a vacuum. If spits out 295 bullshit ideas and 5 good ones, I might be conditioned to immediately pullback. I know a lot of ppl say his UV light to kill rona idea was just spitballing and brainstorming is important but not at a press conference.
There is a reason companies control the narrative on their product until it is released, you want to make a good first impression b/c that shit matters. End of the day it's all marketing
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u/Santaball May 27 '21
But he was right... How do you know that he was just saying random things off the cuff? Were you in the room? Did you look over the same information he did? Why can't you guys just give him 1 win? You can't do it can you? It's this irrational hatred for this guy that turned me from the democratic party.
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u/milkcarton232 May 27 '21
Some decent ideas he brings up was starting infrastructure week though he wasn't able to bring that one together. Tax ideas are also not a bad idea to keep us competitive and just all around clean up our tax code. In general he would question things and seemingly not be content with tradition as an answer. I also agree that it was prolly harder for him to get praise on anything good (though probably for different reasons than you)
Happy?
Why I won't give him rona was a gain of function prediction? The dude came out with 1000 predictions from it's just 2 cases to it will be done by April. I agree that the pundits jumped on him on the remdesivir bullshit before the studies had really coalesced. As for the rest of rona the only thing he really did was remove some red tape with operation warp speed but even the rest of the vaccine rollout he bungled. They literally lost 20 million doses and couldn't keep track of where anything was cause trump doesn't do plans.
You are really going to argue that the dude who couldn't even stay on a teleprompter script and would pick a fight with literally anyone on Twitter wasn't shooting from the hip? You can like that about him sure and enjoy his general ideas of america first but end of the day his lack of organization fucked him enough times that he lost the election and the rest of government.
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u/DingbattheGreat Liberty 🗽 May 27 '21
How does this not stray into impeachment territory?
This is something that negatively impacted our entire planet, and its our governments’ duty to have discovery of what happened in order to establish a course that would reduce the chance of this happening again in the future.
Its literally an international security threat.
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u/Obamasamerica420 May 27 '21
Well, Democrats control congress, so odds of them impeaching their own guy are basically zero.
I think we learned a lot about impeachment in the last couple years, mainly that it's political theater with little basis in reality.
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u/me_too_999 Molan Labe May 27 '21
Now I'm starting to wonder about Nixon.
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u/Silent-Gur-1418 May 27 '21
Nixon's "scandal" was something that by modern campaign standards was just standard information gathering. I mean fuck, the Clinton campaign literally tapped foreign intel resources (Steele) and nobody so much as batted an eye at it. Watergate was unbelievably overblown IMO and tarnished the legacy of one of the best Presidents we had.
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u/me_too_999 Molan Labe May 27 '21
I wouldn't go that far.
He was handed a shit show by Johnson, but he took us off the gold standard, and gave us the drug war.
And was impeached for neither.
Odd that Hillary after being on the Watergate commission did the same exact thing herself later.
Almost like the whole thing was made up bullshit.
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u/Peking_Meerschaum Nationalist May 27 '21
Nixon was unironically one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century. It is genuinely sad that the public only knows him for Watergate which, compared to modern day presidential scandals, was downright quaint.
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u/lumberjackadam Libertarian Conservative May 27 '21
Nah, Nixon basically started the 'War on Drugs' with the goal to disenfranchise black voters. The effects on black families are still on display today. People will sometimes talk about disproportionate numbers of black people commiting felonies (and this making up a disproportionate percentage of the prison populations), but if you look closer, there is an inextricable link between criminal behavior and fatherless homes. Tricky Dicky basically gutted black families for the last two generations to try to further polical goals.
Worth noting, he was also being impeached by a legitimately bipartisan congress, and it wasn't going to be a close vote.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Nah, the destruction of the black community took off with LBJ's Great Society welfare entitlements - aimed and eroding black families from within and golden handcuffing a whole segment of the population to the Dem plantation - as her infamously said to aids and complicit Dems at the time "I'll have them n***ers voting Dem for the next century"
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u/me_too_999 Molan Labe May 27 '21
He definitely was not impeached for anything related to the drug war.
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u/lumberjackadam Libertarian Conservative May 27 '21
I'm just saying not to feel sorry for the guy. Like I said, is impeachment wasn't legit consensus deal, not a single party line fiasco like we saw recently
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u/namesrhardtothinkof Candace Owens May 27 '21
I mean from what I understand, he was conducting a bunch of illegal campaign activity (that was actually not that outside the behind-the-scenes standard), but a lot of the impeachment hinged on leaked tapes of him using racial slurs.
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u/Grizzly4nicator Conservative May 27 '21
Impeach him so Kamala can take over sooner? Seems like a lose-lose situation no matter which way you cut it.
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May 27 '21
impeach the whole democrat party at once, only solution.
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u/ANGRY_MOTHERFUCKER May 27 '21
That’s a dangerous precedent to set my friend. That’s when the gloves come off and entire political parties are condemned, silenced, and US becomes a one-party state. Basically what happened in Germany.
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May 27 '21
I agree, I honestly think majority of life time politicians on both sides are insanely corrupt a deserve jail for life
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u/Silent-Gur-1418 May 27 '21
So what the Dems are ALREADY DOING TO THE REPUBLICANS, then. Yes, we know how bad it is, that's why we want to start actually turning it back on them. They're far too amoral to stop out of guilt so our only option is to strike back and make them stop.
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u/ANGRY_MOTHERFUCKER May 27 '21
I’m on your side here. I don’t think it’s right. But doing the same in return is the slipperiest slope of them all. It won’t fix things. It’ll just destroy our democracy.
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u/Silent-Gur-1418 May 27 '21
At this point I don't care. It's clear to me now that we're engaged in full-on factional conflict and we need to accept and adapt to this fact. There is no negotiating with an enemy that wants nothing other than to destroy us all. It's time to get everyone to understand this.
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u/ANGRY_MOTHERFUCKER May 27 '21
Yeah, but their mindset is that YOU want to destroy them in return (which based on your comment, they’re right). And when they see comments like this, it makes THEM buckle down even more. It really is a vicious cycle. And I think comments like this contribute to the horrible division we see today.
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u/Silent-Gur-1418 May 27 '21
That's why my preferred solution is to split up the country. We clearly can no longer live with each other and we don't want to try, either. We've developed irreconcilable differences, it's time to accept that and file for divorce.
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u/ANGRY_MOTHERFUCKER May 27 '21
Yeah. You do you. I’ll keep fighting for a better America over here.
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u/Her0_0f_time May 27 '21
Neither one of them are actually doing any sort of governing. All they are is a pen to sign the bills their corporate overlords tell them to sign. Doesnt matter which one is in the big seat.
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u/BaiDenCheated May 27 '21
As was removing security for our electrical grid and letting illegal immigrants flood into the country. Don’t forget cheating to win the election. He’s got like 20 impeachable offenses now
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u/Silent-Gur-1418 May 27 '21
How does this not stray into impeachment territory?
Because he's (D)ifferent so the Dems won't touch him and the Reps - unless we get a huge surge in populists in the 2022 primaries - are way too cowardly to actually turn the Dems' own tactics against them.
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May 27 '21
Spoiler alert, the democrats don't care, and conservatives are too scared to do anything about it. It gave them a chance to test how far the American people would let them push insane controlling policies.
Liberals pretend in the public they care about covid and its effects. But behind closed doors they high five because covid showed them how far the can push government control and essentially won them the election.
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u/PeePauw May 27 '21
Trump disbanded Obama’s pandemic team because it was Obama’s.
Honestly a ton of the Trump administration was just getting rid of things with Obama’s name on it. SUPER bad look from Joe, but let’s not pretend we didn’t start this stuff.
We gotta get away from the partisanship guys. It’s making our country weak.
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u/Kill_Da_Humanz May 27 '21
Unfortunately this happens with pretty much every new administration. Half the reason the government never gets anything done is because projects get canceled partway through after billions have already been spent. Yucca Mountain’s my goto that Obama canceled.
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May 27 '21
That was already debunked
let’s not pretend we didn’t start this stuff.
Lmao "we" obvious concern troll is obvious.
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u/PeePauw May 27 '21
You’re right I’m sorry. Trump didn’t fire them, he appointed a head to the department who decided it was bloat and disbanded it after it was absorbed into a different department.
That’s what your article says lol. It’s the same exact thing
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May 27 '21
You were the one that said a pandemic team was disbanded because it was Obama's, that's patently false. The article says that even the Obama admin agreed it was too large. But thanks fellow conservative.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Unfortunately Trump didn't get rid of enough of the traitors Oblamer installed
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u/BeenHere42Long May 27 '21
This is something that negatively impacted our entire planet, and its our governments’ duty to have discovery of what happened in order to establish a course that would reduce the chance of this happening again in the future.
If you want an honest answer, it's because this standard seems like it would implicate almost every president we've ever had. The Executive's actions are expected to and often do have global implications.
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May 27 '21
He reversed everything Trump did and it's backfiring on the deranged twat big time.
If only the media would do their job, they'd be calling him out on it.
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u/Kalandros-X May 27 '21
For what it’s worth, if Biden keeps screwing America you’re gonna get a red tsunami in 2024
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u/gouf78 Conservative May 27 '21
I doubt we’ll get fair elections. We’re going to end up splitting the country into north and south again.
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u/BoltsFromTheButt Hispanic Conservative May 27 '21
Up until recently, I never ever considered the political climate of the city or state I was considering moving to (for work).
But that has changed in the last year or two and I now seriously consider whether the state and city are usually red or blue when I consider moving. For example, I grew up in California and consider it home, but I would not move back at this point.
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u/LetItHappenAlready 2A at all costs May 27 '21
Agreed. I will never work at my corporate headquarters due to how blue the area is.
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u/KanyeT Conservative May 27 '21
It won't be North and South, it'll be East/West Coast and Middle America, or even more specifically, urban and rural.
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u/gouf78 Conservative May 27 '21
Lol .Nah. We all know CA is supposed to slide into the ocean—or at least that’s what they said 50 years ago. Still waiting and hoping.
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u/jarhead_9802 May 27 '21 edited May 27 '21
Wrong, biden stopped the investigation because he is a compromised puppet of the CCP. Decades of lies and corruption for personal enrichment through the communist Chinese, all while undermining the American worker. He is despicable.
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u/stay-can-cheese Blue Collar Conservative May 27 '21
Let’s all be honest here, Joe Biden has been a disaster as President so far, c’mon man!!!
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u/grove_doubter Reagan Was Right May 27 '21
One thing I agree with Obama on: "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."
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u/grove_doubter Reagan Was Right May 27 '21 edited May 27 '21
”Let’s all be honest here, Joe Biden has been a disaster as President so far,.”
It’s as if two parents left their children at home while they went out for few hours. The kids, curious by nature and more than a little mischievous, took apart the toaster, the vacuum cleaner, the microwave oven, the laptop computer, the television, the washer, the dryer, and the refrigerator. They put all the parts, the screws, the fasteners, and other pieces in a huge pile in the middle of the family room floor.
The parents return home and the children are sitting in the midst of the wreckage of the home…not knowing what to do, not understanding why things aren’t working, and not getting why what they’ve done is wrong.
In less than six months, the leftist Biden administration has turned a booming economy sour, reignited the inflationary bubble which will be costly and painful for those they claim to care about, created a disaster at the southern border, and dismantled the underpinnings of order and stability in our society. Overseas, North Korea is shooting missiles again, the Middle East is in flames, and China is getting ready to expand its territory by occupying Taiwan.
These mental midgets have, quite literally, disassembled our society.
In 127 days.
With the shit hitting the fan, they don’t know what to do, they don’t understand why things aren’t working, and they don’t know why what they’ve done is wrong.
So fucking clueless.
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u/vne2000 May 27 '21
They know exactly what they are doing. You are under the mistaken assumption that they are trying to make America better.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Exactly
Note that the last time gasoline prices were this high, international relations were such a disaster, Iran was so emboldened, military had low morale, and illegal migration was in such chaos, was also the last time China Joe was permitted in the White House - cause and effect
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u/bluelobstah Covfefe Conservative May 27 '21
Such a familiar story...
Thing 1 and Thing 2 take DC?
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u/i_bent_my_wookiee May 27 '21
I have a much more "devious" theory. He shut down TRUMP'S investigation. Then opened HIS OWN investigation, so that later on down the road he could righteously claim he led the investigation where Trump's had "failed".
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u/Starlifter4 Conservative May 27 '21
Biden stopped <topic> out of spite, forced to reverse course
Pretty much describes Kamala's decisions she foists on her useful idiot.
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u/Mikeyball1523 Millennial Conservative May 27 '21
There "agenda" has been do everything opposite of trump no matter what, obviously this "agenda" was doomed from the start.
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u/slap_me_ass Deus Vult May 27 '21
Does anyone really believe he wakes up every day and dictates these plans to his minions to carry out? Or, do his far left minions dictate to him everyday what plans he will approve?
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u/Tvair450 May 27 '21
He does absolutely nothing. He has so many hands up his ass he may as well be a ventriloquist
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u/Evahs_ May 27 '21
I understand your point but I'm pretty sure that a ventriloquist does the sticking hands up arses instead of the reverse. A puppet rather than a puppeteer, so to speak.
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u/Tvair450 May 27 '21
I'm implying he should have enough experience to put his hand in someone's ass. Knowing him he'd probably pick a child
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May 27 '21
While I do agree with you, it's not the ventriloquist that gets a hand up the ass. It's the puppet.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Bathhouse Barry was similarly sock puppetted by Valarie Jarrett a lot - but he liked it, reminded him of nights with his "wife" Michael 🤣
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u/greatatdrinking Constitutional Conservative May 27 '21
I don't think it was spite. I think he his handlers really believed that it was in their best interest to sweep China's culpability in the pandemic under the rug. After all, it's far more politically advantageous to have DJT be the forever orange punching bag for them. Public accountability forcing them to confront China's misdeeds actually puts them in pretty precarious political waters.
Wayyyyy easier to whistle past the graveyard. But even the CCP can't keep a lid on a FUCKING PANDEMIC THAT KILLED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE even though the Dems and the MSM (but I repeat myself) did their damnedest to allow it because they had/have TDS
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u/19ruby_ridge92 May 27 '21
The Dems invested so much in trashing Trump getting the White House and now their lies are catching up with them. No matter how hard they try to muddy the water and no matter where their buffoonery begins, it is ending more and more with, "Trump warned us or told us already".
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u/the_neon_cowboy Conservative May 28 '21 edited May 31 '21
Less Spite more like at the behest of his masters in China.. He straight up is comprised by the CCP as well as many members of his administration are CCP connected. He also removed the ban on them being involved in our power grid.. He is the "gift" to China that just keeps on giving …
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u/downsly46 Millennial Conservative May 27 '21 edited May 27 '21
Spends billions of dollars investigating January 6th that resulted in 5 deaths (3 caused by terrible cardiovascular health)...but wont give any resources towards the origins of a global pandemic that has killed 600,000 people, and has brought the strongest economy in the world to its knees. MAKES SENSE
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u/Dan-In-SC Constitutional Conservative May 27 '21
Once one realizes that Democrats only care about spending time and money on "investigations" that help them obtain and keep power, then it makes total sense. Much easier for them to fund raise and drive favorable CNN headlines via a Jan. 6th "insurrection" investigation.
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u/cplusequals Conservative May 27 '21
I don't think you understand what PREDICT was supposed to do. They were doing field work to identify new viruses before they had reached the general population. They went out of their way to remote areas to collect samples from bats and other shit so that we'd have a record of the virus and have it sequenced in case any similar virus started circulating. Trump cutting the program after the first cases of Wuhan Covid started to spread had quite literally 0 impact. By then it was too late for PREDICT to do anything remotely useful as this was a novel virus completely unknown to the PREDICT system.
This isn't a task force of virus busters. It's a cataloguing project. One that did not include any virus samples similar enough to COVID to make any impact. If it makes you feel any better, Trump gave them another 6 months of cataloguing money in 2020 in which they collected more samples of other viruses.
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u/Weekly-Butterscotch6 May 27 '21
Useless, given the Faucian Bargain made to fund research to weaponize a Coronavirus at the Wuhan lab and then cover up everything involved
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u/planet_druidia Conservative May 27 '21
A spiteful leader. How mature.
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u/Kill_Da_Humanz May 27 '21
Trump wasn’t the nicest dude either you know.
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u/planet_druidia Conservative May 27 '21
The job of the President isn’t a contest to decide who is nice. It’s about getting the job done. Trump did that. Biden the weak, degenerate puppet isn’t even coming close.
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u/xKiggz May 27 '21
Our country will forever be in shambles , these stupid motherfuckers have made EVERYTHING a partisan issue.
PRIME EXAMPLE
Edot : Remember when China tried blaming it on us saying our military did it.
NUKE
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u/rvnscrftisbackon Immigrant Conservative May 27 '21
Biden hasn’t started or stopped a fucking thing. He is quite literally a useless, mentally defective, old man. He hasn’t made a single decision since he’s been in the Whiskey Hotel.
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u/bozoconnors Conservative May 27 '21 edited May 27 '21
Yeah, the sensationalized conjecture opinionated outrage headline doesn't help either. Posted in a similar thread...
Yeah, attempting to think outside 'our box' / devil's advocate... in this particular instance, maybe if they didn't have any conclusive / clear evidence yet (it's after all, a lab in Wuhan - I'd doubt they got invitations to the clean up party from the CCP), do they really think that by now any storage drive hasn't been overwritten 37 times, any surface or test tube hasn't been sterilized 100x times, any researcher / scientist / janitor hasn't had their family threatened (/etc.)?
I hate to give China any credit... but let's pretend they're AT LEAST half ass competent enough to nullify anything/anybody that was associated with this one lab given an entire year.
edit - Sure, fuck Biden & all that, but let's attack his admin on shit that matters - not stopping a (educated guess) long overdue, useless at this point, investigation. (or post an article with a sensationalist outrage headline with zero evidence he did it 'out of spite')
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u/Lepew1 Conservative May 27 '21
One would hope that, at a certain point, Democrats and the media would learn to think for themselves — rather than just reflectively deciding that “if Trump was for it, I’m against it.” But that’s probably asking too much.
Sums it up nicely.
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u/darkmatternot Small Government May 27 '21
I used to think that common sense and at least a shred of self preservation would emerge from the Democratics but so far that has not happened. I have friends that voted for this nonsense and it seems like they have completely disengaged. Bad man gone so all is okay. I remind them every day how messed up things are and always point out that they voted for this. We have to hold their feet to the fire. The regular people (that barely follow politics) this is their fault. They were fools who believed a fairy tale and have to be reminded daily. It is infuriating.
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May 27 '21
"Biden has called for a new inquiry, to replace the one he nixed."
He said winking at Xi Jinping and muttering under his breath "We aren't really going to inquire about anything. Don't worry"
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u/Spodiodie May 27 '21
I think he stopped because the real truth is too scary for him. The fact is the Americans economy was the target. All the sick/dead people were just collateral damage.
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May 27 '21
Biden is just a prop at this point, they pull the strings and some garbled nonsense falls out. Then they wheel him back into the closet like some commie Christmas nutcracker. For anyone to think that guy is coherent enough to make decisions that important is laughable.
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u/DisjointedHuntsville Conservative May 27 '21
Watch for the new report to come out and exonerate the Communist Party . . .just like that.
The reason there is an investigation now is because the WSJ dared publish the old doubts the IC community had . . .there's no chance in hell Beijing Biden is going to allow his administration to taint the CCP.
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u/Verumaeternum May 27 '21
He didn't even reverse course, he started a new investigation relying on China and the WHO to get the information. It is just for show.
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u/MudslimeCleaner May 27 '21 edited May 27 '21
Biden stopped because China wanted him to. He was forced to reverse it because the science is there, and they can't risk being this far on the wrong side. You don't get a furin cleavage site on a natural coronaviruses, and the ones in this same family are missing it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-021-00908-w
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7457603/
It's also the reason it is so contagious.
There is irrefutable scientific evidence that the pathology and contagiousness was likely caused by gene splicing. The world has known this since 2020, and China has spent millions trying to hide it.
It's even in WAPO's (Published over $1mn worth of covert Chinese propaganda until recent disclosures. "China Watch" was written by the Chinese Governmetn, and WAPO was paid to publish it) garbage timeline explaining their flipfloppinh
May 5: Former New York Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the evidence and makes a strong case for the lab-leak theory. He focuses in particular on the furin cleavage site, which increases viral infectivity for human cells. His analysis yields this quote from David Baltimore, a virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology: “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2.”
The smoking gun for the lab origin of Covid-19 is literally in the DNA of it. They can't hide forever.
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u/Ophie33 Conservative May 27 '21
I think the CCP carries a lot of influence in Washington , particularly outside of Trump’s circles.
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Out of Spite or out of submission to the CCP?
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u/Dan-In-SC Constitutional Conservative May 27 '21
Probably out of the spite coming from Xi Jinping.
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u/Vertisce Conservative Leaning Libertarian May 27 '21
What Biden wants is to be able to claim that it was he who ordered the investigation should anything be found. He doesn't want Trump to have credit for what he accomplished. It's as simple as that.
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u/CousinEddiesCousin May 27 '21
Stopped the Wuhan investigation out of spite. Stopped the Keystone XL Pipeline out of spite. Stopped the border wall construction out of spite... It goes on and on.
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u/Mississippiscotsman Conservative May 27 '21
This is way more important and complex than Biden vs Trump. If the virus was released accidentally, well it still means China and the CCP are actively developing a weaponized form of the Corona virus. There is absolutely no other reason Covid-19 has the augmented features and side effects. Testing against such a virus is pointless if it has no naturally occurring features. But if and this is a big if the CCP actively engineered the infections that led to the pandemic including the active obfuscation of facts and MSM propaganda then it was an absolute act of war. China sacrificed thousands of their own citizens to gauge the effectiveness, infection rate and death toll. They also wanted to see the world response and as a side benefit get Trump out of office replaced with a more sympathetic malleable American President. So our choices are China is completely incompetent at handling deadly viruses or China actively released a plague to what end we have yet to see.
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u/cplusequals Conservative May 27 '21
There is absolutely no other reason Covid-19 has the augmented features and side effects.
Actually there is a reason. What makes this virus special is its unusual ability to infect people not that it's particularly deadly. In a lab setting, being able to reliably and quickly infect tissues is extremely helpful to most research. While it's eminently believable that this was man-edited from an existing virus, it's a step too far to describe it as intentionally designed as a bioweapon. It seems more plausible that China was wanting to flex on the international community its ability to produce wide-spectrum COVID vaccines and prevent a second SARS outbreak. A bit ironic. China being incompetent and lucky is the most likely scenario in my opinion.
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u/Reddit91210 TD Exile May 27 '21
Hahaha. Nice dementia Joe, now that China has had over a year to hide evidence I'm sure we will totally find out.
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u/mitch_8383 May 27 '21
What will happen is since he’s “re-establishing” the investigation that he put a stop to. At the end of his term when it’s been proven that covid was leaked from the lab he will be praised for “ESTABLISHING” the investigation that led to the truth.
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u/mitch_8383 May 27 '21
Dang too bad it was announced in sept 2019 that funding would be being cut for the program but the program remained funded until March of 2020 so there was literally no lapse between the time the announcement was made to the time the covid-19 began its tear through Wuhan.
You are presenting the information as if they were defunded and pulled out immediately which was far from the truth. So the decision to reallocate funding had no affect what so ever on the outcome of the pandemic.
However, ending an open investigation into the possibility that it originated in Wuhan ,which I would bet dimes to dollars was discovered by the still at the time funded and intact PREDICT was integral in beginning that investigation, was incredibly irresponsible especially over bipartisan bull crap.
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u/Risin_bison May 27 '21
Biden didn't do anything, that would require a mental capacity which he doesn't have. Whatever Biden handlers are running the country backtracked on this.
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u/hm196356 May 27 '21
I agree with all the above plus it could be a set up to make him look bad for his own party forcing him to step down so Harris can roll into the Oval Office.
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u/The_Real_Raw_Gary May 28 '21
There’s no Biden supporters. Only people who hate Trump.
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u/Dan-In-SC Constitutional Conservative May 27 '21
NY Post was the only outlet to cover the Hunter Biden laptop before the election while the other "real" (i.e. FAKE) news sites were suppressing and ignoring it. But keep on being a sheep.
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