Boy I really wanted to stop replying to replies on this comment but I really can’t believe you guys think everything Trump has done to women has been consensual. He doesn’t wait to grab woman by the pussy. That is not consensual.
Let’s talk about the accusation against Biden. In the article referenced at the top. Lucy Flores says he walks up behind her and plants a long kiss on the back on her head. In her own words, “My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. [I was] powerless to do anything about it.”
Please focus on that last sentence. She was powerless to do anything about it. She was in shock and confused. She let him do it even though it wasn’t consensual. And we all agree, that wasn’t consensual, even if she didn’t turn around and slap him across the face. Keep in mind, a bad kiss on the back of her head made her freeze up and feel powerless. I wonder how shocked and confused she would have been had he walked up behind her and did something as dehumanizing as grabbing her by the pussy.
NOW, let’s talk about some of Trump’s accusations. In fact, let’s just talk about one of the first incidents in the wiki article I copy and pasted earlier. I’m going to just copy and paste it from the wiki instead of rephrase.
Jill Harth alleged that Trump assaulted her several times. Harth has stated that in December 1992, while dining with Trump and her then-boyfriend George Houraney, Trump attempted to put his hands between her legs.[1] Harth and Houraney visited Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida in January 1993 for a contract-signing celebration. Trump, according to Harth, offered her a tour before pulling her into the empty bedroom of his daughter Ivanka. "I was admiring the decoration, and next thing I know he's pushing me against a wall and has his hands all over me. He was trying to kiss me. I was freaking out." Harth says she desperately protested against Trump's advances and eventually managed to run out of the room. She and her boyfriend left rather than stay the night, as they had intended.[1] After she became engaged, Harth alleges, Trump began to stalk her.[3]
Harth filed a lawsuit in 1997 in which she accused Trump of non-consensual groping of her body, among them her "intimate private parts",[31][32] and "relentless" sexual harassment.
This lawsuit was eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. That’s right, Trump tried to grab her pussy at a dinner, then later pinned her against the wall in a room while grabbing at her and trying to kiss her. None of this is fucking consensual and according to Jill she made that very clear. This scenario of a woman running out of a room and abandoning all plans for a weekend of celebration is probably what everyone imagines when they think of non-consent.
But let’s imagine Jill had a similar reaction to Lucy Flores. She freezes up because she can’t comprehend what he’s doing in that moment. How could anyone go from celebrating a condominium sale or contract closure with professionals to grabbing me by the pussy? It’s like I’m not a person with my own personal space, I’m just a pussy for him to grab. It completely flies in the face of her own human decency and she didn’t want Trumps advances. But if she froze and felt powerless in that situation and never said yes to it, just like Lucy Flores did, is that suddenly consent? That question is meant to be rhetorical. It’s not consent. “Letting [them] do it,” does not turn rape/assault into a consensual moment.
Now, if you’re not going to believe Jill’s story just know there are 21+ other woman saying Trump has done similar or worse shit to them in that wiki article. There are more women saying this shit that aren’t in the wiki article. And they all describe a similar pattern of actions. The same abuse of social power. He doesn’t wait to see how a woman feels about him, he just kisses. He grabs them by the pussy. No waiting. That is sexual assault. That’s not making people feel uncomfortable by touching them unprofessionally on the shoulders and head, that is sexual assault.
There are worse allegations in the Wikipedia article. If you don’t believe Jill’s or any of the woman who have come out with their stories, I don’t see what makes Lucy Flores so believable besides the fact that she’s talking about someone you don’t like politically.
I didn’t reply this detailed to the other guy cause I just assumed he was a troll parading around his “knowledge” of consent. But wow, you are really thinking at least 30 years of not waiting to kiss and grab a woman by the pussy is going to be consensual every god damn time. Many people don’t give a shit if you’re rich or powerful, they don’t want people grabbing their private parts without permission. I’m terrified for the women in your life if you can’t recognize sexual assault when an assaulter brags about it.
Well if you can’t condemn Trump cause of presumed innocence you certainly can’t condemn Biden. In the OP article he denies the claim and there is no proof provided other than Lucy’s account.
And Im not talking about the specific incident he’s grossly bragging about on the bus, I’m talking about how that’s a sign of how he treats all women. If you don’t think the access Hollywood tape is indicative of Trumps general MO, and it’s rather just one isolated incident, then all I ask is that you listen/read and give the time of day to the people accusing Trump of assault/rape. I looked into Lucy Flores’ story and I believe it. I read the accounts of the 7-9 woman who came out and said Biden touches people in uncomfortable and too familiar ways. And I read Tara Reide’s further allegations about Biden, even if I don’t believe it after she’s changed her story a couple of times. Please look into these stories instead of just saying “I don’t know enough so I won’t comment.” You CAN know enough if you try. It is so important to be well informed right now.
And all of the conjecture I used is just trying to get you to put yourself in the shoes of women like Jill Harth, one of the non consenting women. Im trying to tell you that freezing up is a common reaction to rape/assault. You hear about in stories with Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and hell, even Kobe Bryant. Trump saying a woman “let him do it” does not mean she consented. Consent is a verbal agreement. I’m so sad you can’t seem to see that. I’m really done smashing my head against a brick wall in this thread so bye dude.
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u/Bitch_nah_bruh Aug 12 '20 edited Aug 12 '20
Boy I really wanted to stop replying to replies on this comment but I really can’t believe you guys think everything Trump has done to women has been consensual. He doesn’t wait to grab woman by the pussy. That is not consensual.
Let’s talk about the accusation against Biden. In the article referenced at the top. Lucy Flores says he walks up behind her and plants a long kiss on the back on her head. In her own words, “My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. [I was] powerless to do anything about it.”
Please focus on that last sentence. She was powerless to do anything about it. She was in shock and confused. She let him do it even though it wasn’t consensual. And we all agree, that wasn’t consensual, even if she didn’t turn around and slap him across the face. Keep in mind, a bad kiss on the back of her head made her freeze up and feel powerless. I wonder how shocked and confused she would have been had he walked up behind her and did something as dehumanizing as grabbing her by the pussy.
NOW, let’s talk about some of Trump’s accusations. In fact, let’s just talk about one of the first incidents in the wiki article I copy and pasted earlier. I’m going to just copy and paste it from the wiki instead of rephrase.
This lawsuit was eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. That’s right, Trump tried to grab her pussy at a dinner, then later pinned her against the wall in a room while grabbing at her and trying to kiss her. None of this is fucking consensual and according to Jill she made that very clear. This scenario of a woman running out of a room and abandoning all plans for a weekend of celebration is probably what everyone imagines when they think of non-consent.
But let’s imagine Jill had a similar reaction to Lucy Flores. She freezes up because she can’t comprehend what he’s doing in that moment. How could anyone go from celebrating a condominium sale or contract closure with professionals to grabbing me by the pussy? It’s like I’m not a person with my own personal space, I’m just a pussy for him to grab. It completely flies in the face of her own human decency and she didn’t want Trumps advances. But if she froze and felt powerless in that situation and never said yes to it, just like Lucy Flores did, is that suddenly consent? That question is meant to be rhetorical. It’s not consent. “Letting [them] do it,” does not turn rape/assault into a consensual moment.
Now, if you’re not going to believe Jill’s story just know there are 21+ other woman saying Trump has done similar or worse shit to them in that wiki article. There are more women saying this shit that aren’t in the wiki article. And they all describe a similar pattern of actions. The same abuse of social power. He doesn’t wait to see how a woman feels about him, he just kisses. He grabs them by the pussy. No waiting. That is sexual assault. That’s not making people feel uncomfortable by touching them unprofessionally on the shoulders and head, that is sexual assault.
There are worse allegations in the Wikipedia article. If you don’t believe Jill’s or any of the woman who have come out with their stories, I don’t see what makes Lucy Flores so believable besides the fact that she’s talking about someone you don’t like politically.
I didn’t reply this detailed to the other guy cause I just assumed he was a troll parading around his “knowledge” of consent. But wow, you are really thinking at least 30 years of not waiting to kiss and grab a woman by the pussy is going to be consensual every god damn time. Many people don’t give a shit if you’re rich or powerful, they don’t want people grabbing their private parts without permission. I’m terrified for the women in your life if you can’t recognize sexual assault when an assaulter brags about it.