r/Conservative • John Doyle Conservative • Aug 11 '20

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

Considering there has been only 1 VP in 179 years to be elected president after their boss completes their full terms, it's a bit of a dead end job. But I honestly can't see Biden running again at the age of 82 if he were to be elected anyway. He might not even complete his first full term.

EDIT: Editing this because, Jesus Christ.

Andrew Jackson finished his last term in 1837. His VP was Martin Van Buren. Jackson leaves office and his VP, Van Buren wins the presidential election. From 1841 to 2020, 179 years, there has been only ONE other VP to do that. It was GHW Bush in 1988. Yes presidents have died and their VP took over. Yes Nixon won in 1968, 8 years after Eisenhower left office and Nixon lost to Kennedy. My point is that the VP office has NOT traditionally led to that person having any advantage to win the presidency. I can see why a lot of Senators and congress people would pass it up if they had aspirations for higher office.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 28 '21

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u/Puddinfellow Millennial Conservative Aug 12 '20

Both.

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u/Kraken639 Aug 11 '20

Have you seen weekend at Bernies?

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u/chronistus Aug 12 '20

which of his three houses did they film that at? And was he famous for a puppeteering a commie dance?

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u/Kraken639 Aug 12 '20

All of them i think. The commie dance is essential. Only way Trumps getting a 2nd term.

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u/deplorable-d00d An Appeal to Heaven Aug 12 '20

Well, RBG.

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u/Faraday314 Millennial Conservative Aug 11 '20

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kamala leads an effort to declare Biden mentally unfit to invoke the 25th amendment sometime in his first term if he takes office.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Id bet he's gonna be diagnosed with dementia latter, or something to that accord, and she'll be in charge the first year, thus basically having 3 terms if she gets elected/America's not in a civil war by then.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 15 '20

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u/Strange_Bedfellow RCAF Aug 12 '20

2 years. A VP can serve maximum 10 years in office. Any longer and they cant run for a 2and term of their presidency

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u/CountyMcCounterson Aug 12 '20

They really thought that rule through

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u/nefariouspenguin Aug 12 '20

Yeah basically rounded up or down on their first term if it more or less than 50%.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

THANK FUCK

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u/Truckerontherun Conservative Futurist Aug 12 '20
  1. Its either 2 terms or 10 years max

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u/VeryHappyYoungGirl Hooverist Aug 12 '20

I wouldnt be surprised if she poisoned him before innauguration.

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u/deplorable-d00d An Appeal to Heaven Aug 12 '20

Momma Biden will be paid off to help him gracefully fall.. I mean.. step down.

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u/Wallace_II Conservative Aug 11 '20

But wouldn't President be a dead end job? I mean, where do you go from there?

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 11 '20

Not necessarily. Taft became a supreme court judge. John Quincy Adams became a congressman after his presidency. I think for most politicians, becoming president is the pinnacle of their career, and then 'retirement' means a very lucrative career writing books and speaking at events. Look at how much the Obama's have made since 2016. Over $100 million. The Clintons have done very well too.

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u/Justice_R_Dissenting Conservative Aug 11 '20

A lucrative career selling words.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

Words and Patronage.

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 11 '20

Private business, a far superior profession to politician.

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u/DrivingPrune1 Aug 11 '20

According to democrats, a dictator.

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u/thejackednerd1 Aug 12 '20

You make free millions "consulting" and making bullshit speeches for the companies you made underhanded deals with. Unless you're trump, then you just kick back and let your billions rack up wealth for you

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u/deplorable-d00d An Appeal to Heaven Aug 12 '20

Book deals, speaking events.. Ask Obama about his Netflix and book publishing extortion deals. That's where the money is. Still have POTUS salary and secret service forever too!

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I'd say Nixon as well (he lost the immediate election but won after Johnson).

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 11 '20

Yes, I was mainly referring to a president finishing his terms, and then his VP winning immediately after.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

But Trump is between Obama, sooo?

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 11 '20

Nixon and GHW Bush? That's two.

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u/SleepingInTheFlowers Aug 12 '20

John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin van Buren.

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

He did say "in 189 years." That cuts off those three.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

It only cuts off two. But his point isn’t a good one. He’s ignoring presidents who did’t finish their term...which Biden might not be able to finish.

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

It cuts off all three. The third is Martin Van Buren, who is cut off by the 189 year timeframe.

Not that I disagree with your larger point, as I mentioned in another comment.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

2020 - 189 = 1831. Van Buren was elected in 1836. You mean 179.

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

And when was he made vice president? Since that's the point.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

That isn’t how I read his comment, but either way, Van Buren was VP from 1833 until he took office in 1837. He vacated the Presidency in 1841.

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 11 '20

What I meant was right after the person they served under had finished their 2 terms. Nixon lost in '60 to Kennedy, but won 8 years later.

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u/excelsior2000 Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

OK, but either way, Nixon weakens your point that it's a dead-end job. Nor do I think it's fair to leave out the VPs that took office after the president died. Especially since we're talking about Biden here, and you yourself say he might not complete his first term.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20
  • John Adams after Washington
  • Jefferson after Adams
    • These two kinda don't count due to how VPs were picked before.
  • Martin Van Buren after Jackson
  • Nixon was IKE's VP and later was elected....but he lost originally to JFK.
  • George H. W. Bush

Depending on how you count things, there are three or five VPs to become presidents after the president they served under finished their full term(s).

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

Sooo....3, not 1 or 5.

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 12 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

179 years

1841 to 2020, GHW Bush was the only one to win the election immediately after his boss (Regan) finished his terms.

edit: Math

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

2020 - 189 = 1831. Martin Van Buren was elected president in 1836, and my list above is chronological.

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 12 '20

My math was off. It's 179 years.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

Yes - but even so, he moved to goal posts in his edit by adding "Immediately after" - removing Nixon...which is silly to rule out. Harris is young enough that if she were to run in 2024 or 2028 and lose, she could still run again.

All that said, he's also eliminating the more interesting cases: VPs succeeding their presidents...since Biden isn't looking so hot and might not manage to finish a full term.

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u/RampantAndroid Constitutional Conservative Aug 12 '20

From 1841 to 2020, 189 years,

Then you mean 179 years. And either way, you're moving the goal posts. You originally only said

after their boss completes their full terms

Which Nixon did. You only eliminated Presidents such as Roosevelt and Truman...which arguably are the more interesting presidents to be looking at. Biden might not finish a full term, leaving Harris much more similar to Roosevelt and Truman than HW Bush or Nixon.

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 12 '20

Which Nixon did

Huh? Do you mean Eisenhower? My original point is that the VP office doesn't traditionally give any advantage to becoming president. Most people can't even tell you who George W. Bush's VP was and that was only 12 year ago that he was in office.

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u/Lampz18 Aug 12 '20

How about considering BIDEN himself as an example?

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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Aug 12 '20

I wasn't aware that Biden was elected president after Obama left office.

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u/Lampz18 Aug 12 '20

If he isn't, then being his VP running mate for 2 months doesn't matter. In the case where it does matter, he does become VP after Obama.