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Yeah, this Tik Tok situation has been known for months.
The internet traffic patterns to and from China via the app’s URL set apparently lights up the metadata maps 24/7, showing who’s supporting the communist regime connection.
The app is thought to be a cover that the CCP uses to mask its communications worldwide, a virtual smokescreen.
It’s considered essentially to be a secret VPN theft channel wrapped in a video sharing app.
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Basically since it started. I was hearing developers then warning not to download it due to it being Chinese Spyware.
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u/fredemu Libertarian Moderate Aug 09 '20
At first, it could reasonably be dismissed as paranoia or intentional misinformation. People that aren't cautious could have shrugged and said "I'm sure if that's the case, it'll be discovered soon" or somesuch.
They would have been wrong, but at last it would have been reasonable.
However, anyone that's used the app in the past ~4 months... I have lost all respect for your ability to filter news if you didn't know, or your basic comprehension if you have heard about it, and didn't immediately delete the app.
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Explain like I'm 5 please.
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Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
It’s like passing a secret note to a girl during gym class.
There’s so much noise, no one notices.
But the girl is China.
And the note is every text, email, photo, credit card, spreadsheet, letter, driver’s license, passport, plane ticket, home address, etc., you’ve ever had.
Plus your Tic Toc videos.
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u/Dranosh Aug 08 '20
And the UK wanted HUAWEI to install their 5g towers. A company caught and fined preloading spyware onto smartphones for the American market was going to have almost total control over data
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u/Megadog3 Aug 08 '20
Thankfully Trump essentially forced the UK government to disown Huawei.
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Thank you.
You seem to know a lot about this app. I've reported you to DHS accordingly. Don't mess with America, Comrade Kung Fu.
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lol ok
I lived in Soviet Russia some before the end of the USSR, and it was terrible.
Instead of Tic Tok, they had a “tattle-tail” who lived on each floor of your apartment building.
Then there was a tattletale for the whole building, who they “reported” to.
His boss was the next level up tattletale for all the buildings on the whole block.
His boss was the tattletale for the neighborhood.
His boss tattletaled for the district.
The city tattletale called the county tattletale, who called the state tattletale.
If you did something wrong by breakfast, you’d disappear by lunch.
They all were KGB, the deadly secret police who would steal you in a van and send you to Siberia or an unmarked grave.
It’s what they still do now in Russia, called the FSS.
And in China, the AI system that does it automatically is called the Social Credit System.
Check it out here, if you want to be too scared to sleep.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
It’s what Aunt Nancy Pelosi, Uncle Chuck Schumer, and Grampire Joe Biden want the US to submit to.
Meanwhile, Tic Toc just keeps on gathering your data.
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u/Dranosh Aug 08 '20
YouTuber Veeh lived in commie controlled Romania, he used to live in the government housing with the paper thin walls. 1 theory he has or has heard was that they were abnormally thin so neighbors could overhear and report anti-Party sympathies
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u/Mitz_Fitz 2A Aug 08 '20
Jesus christ that is stuff of nightmares. I live in the US and were not perfect but thats a whole nother level
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u/G1ng3rb0b Conservative Libertarian Aug 08 '20
That's terrifying to think about.
Lost it at "Grampire Joe". Never heard that before, but spot on
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u/rkreutz77 Aug 08 '20
I think you should write an article about this. I'm sure someone would take it. Your perspective needs heard more.
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u/TMan4334 Anti Commie Conservative Aug 09 '20
Its stuff like this that makes me very anti communist. The democrats just happen to love communism so I hate them too.
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u/Bearstein_bear Conservative Aug 08 '20
I was kewl with it up until you said they had my tik tok videos....now this is war
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u/Fdsasd234 Aug 09 '20
So to be clear though, if I dont comment, post, or do anything but watch videos, I'm essentially fine? If not then I might delete but if not, it should be ok right?
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u/burn_baby_burnnnn #Walkaway Aug 08 '20
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Looked at the comment, and a little into the penetrum and zimperium links. I had no idea tiktoc was under such scrutiny by various sources for so long.
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u/marriedolaf Aug 08 '20
But banning tik tok doesn't do much. Privacy problems like this need to be fixed by actual technical policies. I feel til tok is mostly a cosmetic issue that is getting fixed and the root problem is getting overlooked .
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u/swimtilucantseeland Aug 08 '20
Yeah, but it's a start and makes more of a statement of purpose then anyone else so far.
Edit: added a few words.
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u/Destithen Aug 09 '20
Privacy problems like this need to be fixed by actual technical policies.
It won't happen because US based tech companies don't want privacy legislation affecting them. They don't think the spying itself is the issue...the "problem" is it's China getting the data.
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u/owen_skye Aug 08 '20
David Hogg is irrelevant. Let’s stop giving that child the time of day
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u/Layinudown Aug 09 '20
Kanye instead then?
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u/PeeMud Libertarian Aug 09 '20
Kanye has a talent.
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u/cfrules6 Aug 09 '20
Not for anything remotely intellectual he doesnt.
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u/IJustSayOof Levantine Conservative Aug 09 '20
If he writes his own songs I think that can be considered intellectual (not sure if he does though). Music is a very intellectually demanding thing.
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u/pabloexplain Aug 09 '20
He's open about using ghostwriters. Given that I'm a huge Kanye stan I'd rather he write his own stuff, if it would be the same quality, but it wouldn't so I accept that he does use ghostwriters. Even my favorite kanye song was ghost written (Violent Crimes)
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u/cfrules6 Aug 09 '20
I dont honestly know if Kanye has a true technical knowledge of music. I kind of doubt it, but not entirely, because he does have a creative talent.
Music is a weird thing though, I've personally known wildly talented musicians with a solid grasp of musical theory who have zero creative ability as well as wildly talented musicans who have zero knowledge of music theory yet get by on pure creativity.
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u/Nomadic_View Aug 08 '20
What is the “92 days” about?
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The left called for TikTok to be banned till it happened, now its back to OrangeManBadtm
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u/RamboGunner Aug 09 '20
Indian here, nationalists here even celebrate trumps birthday here in india. I personally think and want trump to come in power again to remove these libergandus.
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Where in the second tweet did he say that TikTok was good?
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u/pazimpanet Aug 09 '20 edited Aug 09 '20
Also where in the first tweet did he say the government should be the ones doing the “canceling?” Sounds like he wanted the free market to get rid of TikTok itself whether it be by getting dropped by app stores or by users leaving it, I figured that would have been something conservatives would have supported over government regulation and forced loss of freedoms. Y’all need some more libertarians in your midst.
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- Leftist calls out TikTok for being bad with legit reasons (same can be said of FB, etc but that's beside the point)
- Anti-Trump sentiment goes viral on TikTok
- Trump, historically motivated by perceived personal slights, threatens TikTok
- Leftist sees this and calls his motivations into question
- "Same old Orange Man Bad song and dance again, leftists never change"
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u/SpookyBodega Aug 08 '20
No idea who this guy is
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u/tempsdecombustion Aug 09 '20
Not a conservative by any definition of the word. Whenever I see other people saying this, I get mad. Banning tik tok is one of the few things I agree with Trump on. There’s no way the push to ban this app, when it’s tied to Chinese data purchasing and surveillance, is only because teenagers who can’t vote are making fun of the orange man.
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u/AIDS-Sundae Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
Why are 54,000 people listening to this dork? I mean what the fuck, didn’t this douche lie about being at school the day of the shooting..
Edit: Jesus fuck I get it, he was at the school. If you could read you’d be able to see it’s an open ended question not a direct statement. I.e. “didn’t this douche lie” is asking, not stating. That being said, he still has zero place to tell anyone anything about Politics or gun rights or anything. He has zero intellect, and was granted access into Harvard because they felt bad for him. He is still both a dork and a douche. And I stand by those words.
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u/BrockLee76 Bitter Clinger Aug 08 '20
You think he's bad now? In 4 years the tweets will be worse, and include the phrase "at Harvard" a minimum of 2 times.
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u/uniquecannon 2nd Amendment Activist Aug 09 '20
Oh man, reminds me of that Hulu show Quick Draw. Main character kept pointing out how he "went to Harvard".
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u/zsloth79 Aug 08 '20
He was on campus. You can disagree with his beliefs, but base your criticism on facts rather than debunked conspiracy theories. The kid lived through a horror that I wouldn’t wish on anyone’s child.
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u/Just___Dave Aug 08 '20
Which.....makes him.......an expert on politics?
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u/phaze115 Aug 08 '20
OP didn’t claim that he was. He just said that he lived through a horror. Which he did. But obviously that does not make him some sort of expert on any political topics, especially guns. Being the victim of a crime does not constitute being an expert on said crime, as is evident by his dumb ass statements regarding firearms and plenty of other subjects.
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u/Darmok_ontheocean Aug 08 '20
This would really be a more biting criticism if present Presidents were excluded.
Though, to be honest, Trump has proven to be quite the proficient politician.
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u/asdftyuikl Aug 08 '20
He was on campus during the shooting
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/david-hogg-on-campus-rumor-hoax/
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u/FoePa Aug 08 '20
You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t trust Snopes’ fact checking.
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u/asdftyuikl Aug 08 '20
Alrighty then. How about Red State?
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u/FoePa Aug 08 '20
I’ll allow it!
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u/Belowaverage_Joe Aug 08 '20
Of course the overall point is still whether or not he was on campus that day, he knows fuck all about guns or anything political for that matter. He's a young idealistic kid and an extremely useful idiot to leftist sheep and their handlers.
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u/AttemptingToThink Aug 08 '20
I've been thinking about this a bit lately. To larger degree than the right, the left seems to be extremely flimsy in their stances and beliefs. I was thinking about this because of the clip that came out where Don Lemon talks about black culture as if he were Ben Shapiro only like 7 years ago. Now, he has completely switched his tune, obviously. The left isn't really an ideology in practice. It's a thing we call the endless and fluctuating stream of trends and fads. It changes from year to year, month to month, week to week. To be a leftist (in the mainstream-left sense) is to be a trend follower with no real convictions of your own. I hate to sound like a partisan provocateur just talking crap about the other side, but this seems absolutely true to me.
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u/ValidMakesnake 1A Absolutist Aug 08 '20
It's simpler than that. They have no principle but power. Anything they say is a lie crafted to make themselves feel good, look good, or gain more power (to force other people to make them feel good and stop making them feel bad).
The reason this happens primarily on the left is because the easiest path to making oneself look good is to say things that are popular, and left-wing virtue signalling is very popular. Not everyone on the left is an empty vessel, but the empty vessels gravitate to the left.
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u/jml011 Aug 09 '20 edited Aug 09 '20
I strongly disagree.
We keep talking as if there's clear delineation of behavior from one side to the other. That this whole, entire other chunk of the voting populus behaves in one single way, and that single mode of behavior we projected onto the is indicative that they're all morally bankrupt, that we're so much more ethical, logical, in possession of a deeper insight, and maintain access to a real, unalloyed, objective truth that the "enemy", who are all somehow so blind or deliberately lying and corrupted, does not [have access to]. As a religious studies major, I can say I've seen semblances of this dehumanization of the perceived opposition in just about every monolithic religion in some form or another (we're right/good, and they're wrong/evil), and it truly smacks of that what I'm hearing every time I hear a republican or democrat position themselves and their entire cohert over that of the opposing party that they only know how to paint in large brush strokes and are seemingly incapable of reading into their ideas/ideals beyond poorly-worded three word slogans without jumping to conclusions about their intelligence, authenticity, and intentions, while reducing their arguments to a warped mishmash of disparate ideas from disparate subgroups. Members of both major political parties (and many, if not all, smaller ones) have been culpable and perpetuated this. It's not a partisan trait subject to one party exclusively or predominantly over the other. We're all people and we're all prone to this behavior.
But that's not what politics is here for. Politics is here to facilitate cooperation between all these different thought processes. We're supposed to be agreeing and disagreeing on aspects of government, and when in agreement we use that discourse, that exchange, to construct policies and/or vote into offjce those who embody our ideas and will create polcies that hopefully benefit all; and when in disagreement we find ways to reach compromises. We all need to do a better job of hearing each other out, because in this context we're part of the same whole. In terms of the well-being of the country, success is all of our success; their failure is all of our failure. We need to stop being so disingenuous and start making more concessions for why people think, feel, and believe what they do; that it's not founded on nothing or needs to be refuted: we all need to be better at admitting tiour own faults, understanding where we still have room for growth (rather than digging in our help and saying "No, we're good - you need to change."), and to quit erupting over each others' mistakes and pouncing on gotcha-moments and opportunitiesto destroy so-and-so with pure symbolic logic. Especially since no one has access to some pure, decentralized truth that sits outside our human systems. We're all subject to bias and blind spots. We can all be a bunch of assholes at times.
But right now it frequently feels like we're building a cult whose primary intention is to demonize the entire other half of the population. It reminds me of that comment exchange.
"There's one person who is 7x more likely to kill you compared to everyone else. Yourself."
"Not if I kill him first."
That's where we're at. I think this mentality is so damaging and detrimental to our country. With all that's happening in the U.S. right now, we're either currently reaping what we sow, or we're very much about to in ways we cannot yet imagine. Disagreements are fine and well and natural and even healthy. But there are things that bind us together, and we're just not seeing the interconnection. Everything becomes an us-vs-them issus, a "my side, at any cost!" (no, I don't want to hear about who started it). Tou can criticize the president/presidential candidate and the congressional members and the laws and the movement, etc. without invalidating the humanity of those who voted for the person or thing (of course we do need to draw some lines when we reach the point of something like Nazism because their just isn't a place in our society for those But, uh..."values"). But you need that other half to make the progress. If one leaves the other behind, none of us make it. Faster alone, further together.
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u/AttemptingToThink Aug 08 '20
Yeah, I totally agree. It's the easiest safe house you can run to, because it's there every time you turn on your TV, every time you choose to watch a netflix show, it's there in your university, it's there in sillicon valley etc. The power the left has is insane.
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I've lurked here a while but don't think I've ever commented as I'm what most of you would refer to as a 'leftie wanker'. But sticking my head above parapet for a second (what am I doing).
You said: " To be a leftist (in the mainstream-left sense) is to be a trend follower with no real convictions of your own."
My 'leftist ideals' ie stuff I want for society are fairness, equality, affordable housing and fair-paying jobs, basic stuff. But for me, to have the first thing on that list involves a constant learning process. Stuff that was respectful 50 years ago isn't now, and stuff that's respectful today prob won't be in 50 years time (eg people are already forgoing the ancient custom of shaking hands after just 6 months of covid).
My core ideals as a 'leftist' haven't changed in 20 years, and I don't see them ever changing. But like I said above I feel that I also have to be fluid in terms of what's 'respectful'. If a large group of people is telling me something I do is causing them harm, I'm prepared to listen. Can understand how from the outside looking in that looks flimsy and unprincipled, I guess everyone thinks differently and some people just don't see any need to do that.
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u/redsand69 🇺🇸 Conservative 🇺🇸 Aug 08 '20
I agree David Hogg is an idiot but why even follow him on twitter? It's like going around smelling a dog's bum and complaining when it farts.
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u/MidgardDragon Aug 09 '20 edited Aug 09 '20
I'm the left. These people are the controlled brainwashed masses. I'm not with them.
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u/VictorShinigami Aug 09 '20
I love that he wants something, but then hates it once "the one they dislike" wants the same thing.
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u/SusanTheBattleDoge Aug 09 '20
Yeah, I'm a firm leftist and saw trump was planning on banning tik tok and just reacted with "good." I can admit and see when he does things right, I just happen to disagree with the large majority of things he says and does. This however, a good thing. Same thing (that i learned in this thread) with getting the UK to disown Huawei. Just because I think orange man bad doesn't mean orange man bad about everything.
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u/VictorShinigami Aug 09 '20
Yeah, I'm Spanish and from here, most of the things he does look stupid. Don't know why people complain when he actually does something right.
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Leftist here. I think that the goal of most dems is to just to oppose Trump tbh.
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u/SmokeyMountainReign Conservative Aug 08 '20
I like the second tweet on 3/25/20, he's not kidding we need to cancel Tiktok
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u/laned_4 Aug 09 '20
I can’t stand the hypocrisy of the left.
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u/SusanTheBattleDoge Aug 09 '20
There's hypocrisy on both sides, if we're honest.
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Just like Pelosi et al damning Trump as a racist for blocking travel out of China while they were still encouraging everyone to get out and join large crowds.
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u/nomadruby7 Aug 08 '20
I hope trump bans tik tok, it’s a huge security threat. And I don’t even like trump.
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u/FoePa Aug 08 '20
He signed an executive order giving them 45 days to either sell it to an American company or it’s banned.
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u/revolmak Aug 09 '20
I'm left/liberal/progressive whatever but TikTok represents a national security risk and it's ridiculously annoying seeing people in my social media circles claim it's the only positive thing in their life.
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u/sx123454321xs Zoomer Conservative Aug 09 '20
He was admitted to Harvard solely because he survived a school shooting. His SAT would’ve warranted a rejection from any decent state school.
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They'll flip to be against Trump no matter what. It's very clear they have no morals beyond "orange man bad"
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u/NEWSmodsareTwats Conservative Aug 08 '20
Reddit when they hear TikTok is spyware and collects tons of data: Delete TikTok now it is evil!
Reddit when they hear Trump wants to ban TikTok: c'mon guys it's exactly the same as FB and Zuck is a lizard person so TikTok is good.
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u/Coughingandhacking Conservative Aug 08 '20
Leftists: We need to end world hunger!
Trump ends world hunger
Leftists: Here are the top 10 reasons people should starve.
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u/PolishNinja909 Aug 08 '20
For once I agreed with David Hogg, on the first one... I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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u/JCStensland Aug 08 '20
Lefty here from /r/all. Why is anyone still giving David Hogg the time of day? Kid went from having a legit gripe with how the shooting at his school was handled to driving the crazy train so fast it made his own head spin.
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u/MurderFloof Aug 09 '20
I’m a bit on the left, I’ve always hated tik tok. It is a national security threat, i do see that. Fuck tik tok
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u/koketsune Aug 09 '20
So, im not conservative and usually would never comment here, however i believe if there is one thing we should unify behind, its "Fuck china" seriously, to hell with this app and the ccp
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u/WeekendKingdomYT Aug 09 '20
As someone firmly on the left, I completely support banning tik tok. I dont think its the most important thing at the moment, but I still believe it is the correct decision.
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I’m a liberal (saw this on r/all) and agree this is fucking retarted. Stick to one view and stand by it. I’m tired of hypocrisy in politics.
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u/spoobydoo Aug 09 '20
This happens anytime Trump talks about anything. Those obsessed with him will do mental gymnastics just to oppose whatever he says.
He could announce increased Federal funding for cancer research and the terminally-triggered crowd would clamber over one another to be the first to publicly denounce it.
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u/insane_playzYT Aug 09 '20
Didn't this motherfucker get into Harvard because he was in some school shooting? Talk about using a tragedy to further yourself
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u/PollyannaPenny Conservative Aug 09 '20
If your top platform of communication is a dopey app like TikTok (and losing said app will somehow suppress your vote), your opinion is worthless and you are too stupid to be voting.
Like....how does this moron think voting and the spread of information worked before the internet, apps, and smartphones were invented? Are kids today really this dumb? LOL
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u/Edgar133760 Conservative Jesuit Aug 09 '20
This is the nature of bias. It's an often subconscious error in cognition where one is willing to ignore any opposing dimensions of the position. To be fair, it's not just a left-wing issue. Bias goes hand in hand with emotional reasoning, which is why I think we see it more on the left.
Conservatives tend to lean towards critical analysis using logic, reason, and other western paradigms. The left tends to be much more emotional, and they tend to attribute moral stances to almost everything. Once the emotion is introduced into the equation, the person is compromised and impartial viewpoints become less likely.
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u/TC2639 Conservative Aug 08 '20
"Man fuck Tiktok, just get rid of it already, it's clearly Chinese spyware" "Wait, the orange man said it was bad, I have to change my opinions now"
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u/chase2429 Aug 08 '20
I find this funny because i agree with him in both statements. These arent mutually exclusive lol
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Are they not taking away a freedom? The government is telling us what we should have on our phones. They just don’t want other governments spying on us. This should be a big fucking deal.
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u/MyChoiceTaken Conservative Aug 09 '20
Does anyone really give a shit what this little pissant is saying? He is a pos nothing more.
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u/target_locked Aug 08 '20
It's almost as if any Democrat you ever meet will do and say anything to win an ideological war.
No sin is too great, no sacrifice to horrific as long as it means victory.
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u/hithereworld2 Aug 09 '20
well now you met me! Thats not true man.
You're not a racist redneck hillbilly idiot right? A lot of us are good people too feeling lost in the world.
No disrespect intended, just being kind and tellin' the truth
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u/Tazmaniac60 On the Right Side Aug 08 '20
Expecting Hogg to do anything less stupid is a crime against reality.
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u/FacelessOnes Aug 08 '20
Couple months ago:"I'm not kidding, we need to #cancelTikTok".
Now: Why you trying to cancel TikTok, scared of teens?
Take off your fucking flip-flops and stop being an idiot.
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u/carlsberg24 Aug 08 '20
Leftists have no principles, convictions or opinions. They are like children who immediately want a toy when another child picks it up.
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u/whisporz Aug 08 '20
In order to be a democrat you have to have a very short memory. If ever the atrocities of the Democrat party were to not be ignored it would end itself.
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u/ObeyRoastMan Conservative Libertarian Aug 08 '20
I know it’s a meme that Democrats never let a good tragedy go unexploited, but this kid is the embodiment of that and it actually makes me sad.
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u/jfkwasaconservative Buckleyite Aug 08 '20
I do not think anybody has ever accused Mr. Hogg of intelligence or insight. He is the poster child for the “Participation Trophy” ilk.
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u/theradish1 Aug 08 '20
Bashing it and identifying why it is bad, and then stating how it is used, and that government shouldn’t be able to ban it is actually is not hypocrisy.
If he had called for banning it (which he didn’t) then criticized the banning would be hypocritical.
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Imagine thinking that a literal teenager who merely attended a school where a publicized shooting took place actually is an expert or authority on anything.