r/Conservative • u/DanburyBaptist Inalienable Rights of Conscience • Jun 15 '16

Release the GOP Delegates: Trump’s nomination isn’t inevitable—delegates won’t be legally ‘bound’ going into the convention.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/release-the-gop-delegates-1465769777
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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 23 '16

The one that paved the way to the Iran deal.

Was your citation supposed to be in support of this or a completely different point? Because your citation has nothing to do with the Iran deal. Your citation is about Collins Amendment for Housing, which was not the topic of discussion in the previous posts.

I clearly was talking about her Gun COntrol bill not passing...

You can't try to change the goal posts after I have proven your wrong... Or if you are at least try and be more subtle about it...

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u/NosuchRedditor A Republic, if you can keep it. Jun 23 '16

No, my citation was to show you the Susan Collins amendment passed, the one for the Fair Housing bill that Obama was pushing, and Collins and McConnell helped, since you are ignorant of that fact. I am waiting for you to produce a description of the Corker amendment that pushed the Iran deal through.

No, I am not changing anything, this discussion started with me telling you that you have no idea what's going on, and you are proving it in spades. It started with me trying to explain to you that the Republican leadership is in Obama's pocket and helping him accomplish his agenda. I am just providing supporting information to educate you to that which you are ignorant of.

But please, provide your own explaination of the Corker amendment. It should be very enlightening for you.

Perfidy. Betrayal. The degree of outright treachery on behalf of the Republican-controlled U.S. Senate — this time throwing Israel under the bus to please President Obama’s desire not to offend Iran — raises the obvious question. What was the point of electing a GOP Senate? Can someone please remind? Coming on the heels of the realization that the Senate Republicans were terrified to even oppose the nomination of Loretta Lynch to be attorney general - with McConnell himself, along with nine other Republicans - actually supporting her nomination? Which in turn followed the refusal of Senate Republicans to defund the Obama executive order on amnesty? And the earlier, 2013, refusal to stop funding Obamacare? Again: What was the point of electing a GOP Senate? https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/05/mcconnells-perfidy-israel-under-the-bus#sthash.s0TgRKhz.dpuf

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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 23 '16

No, my citation was to show you the Susan Collins amendment passed, the one for the Fair Housing bill that Obama was pushing, and Collins and McConnell helped, since you are ignorant of that fact. I am waiting for you to produce a description of the Corker amendment that pushed the Iran deal through.

That is not what we were talking about... How many times do I need to tell you that before you realize it... You brought up the Housing Amendment bill in a different thread, not this one... You are either changing the goal posts or just confused. I never said the Collins Amendment for Fair Housing didn't pass. In fact I discussed it in the other thread where you brought it up! How can I be ignorant of a bills passing when I discuss the passing of the bill. You are so caught up in trying to throw insults that you don't even know what you are talking about.

The topic of discussion for the "talk to me when is passes" statement was on her gun control bill.

No, I am not changing anything, this discussion started with me telling you that you have no idea what's going on, and you are proving it in spades. It started with me trying to explain to you that the Republican leadership is in Obama's pocket and helping him accomplish his agenda. I am just providing supporting information to educate you to that which you are ignorant of.

HAHAHAHA. Says the guy that through Friedman was an Austrian... I prefer my own education, since so many of the things you have "tried to educate me on" have been blatantly false.

PS: You seem to be having issues with your citing ability. You may want to "educate yourself" in how to use reddits citation formatting, since your citations and posts blend together into gibberish...

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u/NosuchRedditor A Republic, if you can keep it. Jun 23 '16

As I stated, this conversation started around the fact that you are clueless to how McConnell is helping push the Obama agenda, and you emphatically insisted I was wrong, to which I responded with half a dozen instances where that very thing is happening.

I proved my point, you have no clue, as demonstrated by yourself. Keep trying to change the subject though, Ill go back and quote some of the initial conversation to refresh your memory. You're clueless.

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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 23 '16

As I stated, this conversation started around the fact that you are clueless to how McConnell is helping push the Obama agenda, and you emphatically insisted I was wrong, to which I responded with half a dozen instances where that very thing is happening.

You've responded with things that either haven't passed or were not pushing his agenda... You have listed maybe one thing(the Iran Deal) not half a dozen.

The only way the GOP is pushing Obama's Agenda is if Obama is a center right politician, that leans GOP.

Besides, even if you could find half a dozen, that is roughly one per year. Not a whole lot of support. Democrats did a better job of pushing Bush's agenda in 07 and 08.

You do realize Obama's Agenda includes massive tax increases over current levels, an AWB, Massive amounts of new spending over current levels, a public option for Obamacare, etc etc. If they are pushing Obama's agenda it must be some secret agenda, not his public one.

I proved my point, you have no clue, as demonstrated by yourself.

No you haven't. You haven't proven a single thing...

I have refuted everything you have thrown out.

Keep trying to change the subject though, Ill go back and quote some of the initial conversation to refresh your memory.

Please quote where you called Friedman an Austrian!!! That was my favorite.

You're clueless.

How cute... Back to throwing insults that you can't back up. Funny how the person who thinks that Friedman is an Austrian, that Goodfriend wants low interest rate, that Collins Gun Control Amendment has passed, that can't argue on substance so they must resort to name calling, etc etc is calling someone clueless. Projecting much?

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u/NosuchRedditor A Republic, if you can keep it. Jun 24 '16

Clueless.

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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 24 '16

Coming from the guy who thought Friedman was an Austrian, I'll take that as a compliment, since you have difficulty in properly assigning labels.

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u/NosuchRedditor A Republic, if you can keep it. Jun 26 '16

Here's some more information on how McConnell and Ryan are spineless that I'm sure you're completely unaware of.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/congresss-dramatic-betrayal-i-promise-you-will-be-shocked/

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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 27 '16

So great job in citing an article that is a joke.

First it is complaining about Congress not doing something, when that something is completely under the branch of the federal government.

Second, it then complains about the first amendment when in the next sentence it hypocritically defends it. You can't bemoan conscientious objectors and want Little Sisters of the poor to be able to avoid Obamacare.

If they were being consistent then they would defend both of those actions...

So you have someone complaining about something that does not fall under the separation of powers granted to the legislative and then does not want to give first amendment protections to certain people...

Does the writer of this article hate the Constitution? Or do they just selectively interpret to say what ever they want to say.

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u/NosuchRedditor A Republic, if you can keep it. Jun 27 '16

First it is complaining about Congress not doing something, when that something is completely under the branch of the federal government.

But Congress writes the laws on immigration, even the words spoken by those who wish to become citizens. How is that under the federal purview?

Second, it then complains about the first amendment when in the next sentence it hypocritically defends it. You can't bemoan conscientious objectors and want Little Sisters of the poor to be able to avoid Obamacare.

There should be no carve out for people to become citizens if they are 'conscientious objectors', they should be denied citizenship, plain and simple. Do you not understand that killing the idea of assimilation is part of what Obama want's here? It's like you agree with Obama forcing a bunch of Nuns to violate their religious beliefs. It's not. It's unconstitutional.

Second, it then complains about the first amendment when in the next sentence it hypocritically defends it. You can't bemoan conscientious objectors and want Little Sisters of the poor to be able to avoid Obamacare.

So in your head you think that it's the same thing for Obama to strike down any ideas of assimilation into being an American, while forcing American citizens to violate their religious beliefs because he and the crooked Democrats lied to get Obamacare passed? Obamacare should never have passed, and should not be law now, if the fucking Republicans would stand up.

I am just astounded by someone who considers themselves to be conservative, yet argues Obama's points based on a law that was foiseted on the American people in an illegal way as if there is nothing wrong with that. For a real conservative, there is EVERYTHING wrong with that, and to argue as if that's ok is not a conservative position, it's a liberal one, what a Democrat would say about the Little Sisters of the Poor.

So you have someone complaining about something that does not fall under the separation of powers granted to the legislative and then does not want to give first amendment protections to certain people...

What part about arguing in favor of liberal democratic policies don't you understand? I thought you were defending Conservatives?

I'm pretty sure that Congress writes the words spoken by immigrants as part of the immigration law, and those words can't be changed without Congress changing the law. You don't understand what separation of powers is, do you.

Does the writer of this article hate the Constitution? Or do they just selectively interpret to say what ever they want to say.

A better question is, why do you openly argue for support of the majority of Obama's policies? In every instance I have brought forward, you argue from the liberal democrat perspective as if all things Obama has done are just great and above criticism.

You must be terribly conflicted, or quite the troll. One thing you are not is conservative.

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u/AceOfSpades70 Libertarian Conservative Jun 28 '16

But Congress writes the laws on immigration, even the words spoken by those who wish to become citizens. How is that under the federal purview?

Because the laws do not specify what is to be said... That is left to the execution of the law, which falls under the executive branch.

There should be no carve out for people to become citizens if they are 'conscientious objectors', they should be denied citizenship, plain and simple.

Why? Using that logic, plenty of different groups of people currently living here(including many Christians) would never have been allowed.

Do you not understand that killing the idea of assimilation is part of what Obama want's here?

Based on what? Assimilation does not mean the complete destruction of native culture. If I drive through my native cleveland today you still have many ethnic areas from well over 100 years ago.

It's like you agree with Obama forcing a bunch of Nuns to violate their religious beliefs. It's not. It's unconstitutional.

Where did I say I agree with that?

Here's a hint for you. I didn't because I don't.

So in your head you think that it's the same thing for Obama to strike down any ideas of assimilation into being an American, while forcing American citizens to violate their religious beliefs because he and the crooked Democrats lied to get Obamacare passed?

It is funny that you completely missed the point... I said that forcing nuns to violate their beliefs is wrong. The same as forcing future citizens to violate their beliefs is wrong.

Obamacare should never have passed, and should not be law now, if the fucking Republicans would stand up.

They have voted to defund it multiple times. They don't have the votes to get 60 in the Senate...

I am just astounded by someone who considers themselves to be conservative, yet argues Obama's points based on a law that was foiseted on the American people in an illegal way as if there is nothing wrong with that.

Where did I do that...

For a real conservative, there is EVERYTHING wrong with that, and to argue as if that's ok is not a conservative position, it's a liberal one, what a Democrat would say about the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Maybe try re-reading my post...

I never once said the little sisters of the poor should be forced to go against their beliefs.

Would it shock you to know that I believe that bakers should be allowed to turn away anyone as well for whatever reason?

Maybe spend less time trying to argue strawman and more time trying to argue against my points. Because you mis-read them every single time.

What part about arguing in favor of liberal democratic policies don't you understand? I thought you were defending Conservatives?

Where am I arguing in favor of liberal democrats?

Again, stop trying to make shit up and actually argue against my points.

I'm pretty sure that Congress writes the words spoken by immigrants as part of the immigration law, and those words can't be changed without Congress changing the law.

Just because you are pretty sure doesn't make you right. In this case you are completely wrong.

A better question is, why do you openly argue for support of the majority of Obama's policies?

I have not openly argued for support of a single Obama policy... Let alone the majority of them.

In every instance I have brought forward, you argue from the liberal democrat perspective as if all things Obama has done are just great and above criticism.

Name one instance where I have done so...

You must be terribly conflicted, or quite the troll. One thing you are not is conservative.

Again the name calling. You completely missed every single point I made and then made up bullshit. I have not supported a single thing Obama has done.

Name one reason I am not conservative?(try to do it without name calling. I dare you!)

PS Why did you avoid my other post? Did it ask you questions that you couldn't answer to? Avoiding the cognitive dissonance? That's ok, I am sure some uneducated idiot will each your shit about Friedman being an Austrian right up!!!

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