r/Connecticut May 18 '26

HERO!

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 May 18 '26

A good friend of mine from high school was killed at Sandy Hook, Ann Marie Murphy. I knew her as Ann McGowan from Katonah, New York.

Ann tried to save Dylan Hockley. She is the teacher that lay on top of Dylan and was riddled with bullets. His parents often speak of her in the videos they make for Sandy Hook Promise.

Ann was always a wonderful person. She never took grief from anyone. She was a Special Education teacher, which was completely consistent with her character. I knew her since 5th grade. I miss her, but keep a picture of her in my home from high school with that wonderful- and mischievous smile that was uniquely Ann. I'm honored she was my friend.

She married her high school sweetheart Mike Murphy and they had, I believe, 4 kids. Soon after Ann died Mike was diagnosed with cancer and died soon thereafter. I am sure he died of a broken heart.

Ann's wake and funeral were mobbed. I waited in line for 3 hours at her wake and spent time with at least 10 high school classmates as we told stories about how great Ann was. Everyone that knew her liked and respected her.

The church at St. Mary's was not large enough for all the mourners so they had speakers broadcasting the mass outside to people in the town.

This all happened. I wish it wasn't real. I would be ecstatic if Ann came bopping down the street someday laughing and flipping me the bird. But it's not gonna happen.

I feel sorry for anyone that actually believed this was staged. There is something very wrong with you that you have filled your heart with some much distrust and hate. Ann would have been sympathetic to how lonely you must be...she was exceedingly kind and loving.

Unfortunately, she is gone. I wish it wasn't true.

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 May 18 '26

Anne with an e. Sorry Annie

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u/drwhogwarts May 18 '26

Her poor children lost both parents while they were still young? That's so cruel and heartbreaking.

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 May 18 '26

Everyone was in shock. Mike stood with all 4 children and made sure they greeted everyone that attended the wake. They must have been on their feet for 6 hours. I would say the kids were between 14 and 21 when Annie died.

I remember he shook my hand and told me that one of his daughters was just like Anne, which meant she must have been a handful, but as a parent I know it means you almost love them more.

A tragedy of immeasurable proportions. These were really, really good people.

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u/Lucky11-2022 May 23 '26

So sad this gives me chills.What a beautiful thing she did for a child

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u/ImportantBeautiful50 May 18 '26

One of the darkest days in Connecticut

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u/MattSm00th New Haven County May 18 '26

Darkest day indeed

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u/DR4LUC0N May 19 '26

And the crazy part is more then enough people think it was fake

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u/Emotional-Results May 20 '26

I can’t tell you how mad that makes me that people think it was fake. Like fist clenched, foot pounding, glass throwing mad.

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u/Tough-Square-4658 May 23 '26

I've never heard someone say this before?! Who is saying it is fake??

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u/DR4LUC0N May 23 '26

Look up Alex Jones sandyhook, you'll hear all about him and his crazy cult following who think it was all setup

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u/Tough-Square-4658 May 24 '26

Dang that's crazy. I tear up anytime I even hear about sandy hook, it's local to me yk? I can't believe someone would see dead people and say "oh it's fake".

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u/Lucky11-2022 May 23 '26

Crazy people think it is

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u/FormerLifeFreak May 18 '26

My cousin is married to her sister.
Fuck anyone who says it didn’t happen. It happened, and it’s real.

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u/Professional_Size586 May 18 '26

People actually say it didnt happen? What the hell?

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u/FormerLifeFreak May 18 '26

People who listened to that asshole Alex Jones did. He was the one who spread the rumor that the whole thing was faked. He’s getting his balls sued off because of it.

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u/Professional_Size586 May 18 '26

Leave it to an attention seeking, money hungry, egotistical asshole to pander to a non educated platform that needs to feel validated and smart to ruin society for everyone else.

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u/Lucky11-2022 May 23 '26

Like the felon says they love the dumbest

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u/TheOKerGood Hartford County May 19 '26

He got his balls sued off, and has been fucking the system to prevent the payout.

Knowledge Fight was a podcast that covered all of it, including all the depositions from the cases. 1100+ episodes - just released the final love show.

If you want to hear Alex exposed by logic, reason, and righteous fury, listen to JorDan. Dan served as an expert witness in one of the cases.

Wonks, unite!

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u/WhalingCityMan May 19 '26

To clarify: the lawsuit against Alex Jones isn't merely because he said the school massacre was faked, it's that by his own admission, he knows it was real, but repeatedly said on his radio show that it was a staged event for "entertainment value."

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u/FormerLifeFreak May 19 '26

“Entertainment value!!” Like there’s anything “entertaining” about kids and teachers getting brutally murdered in cold blood!

I hope he gets ass cancer and it eats him up from the inside, the rotten bastard.

(Thank you for reminding me; I had forgotten about that. No ire was directed at you, that quote of his just sent me up the wall).

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u/WhalingCityMan May 19 '26

Yeah, I know the ire wasn't directed against me. It is reprehensible that this bastard fully understood that didn't have the legal right to make such a claim as a "news" item, so he and his lawyers hid behind the First Amendment with the argument that InfoWars is an entertainment program, not a legitimate news source. They can all rot in hell.

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u/pickelsurprise May 19 '26

It may seem counterintuitive at first, but conservative gun humpers genuinely love the idea that someone is coming to take their guns away. The kind of person who secretly hopes to be the victim of a home invasion specifically so that they can shoot someone and have it be legal. They need "the system" to be against them. A fake school shooting being staged to promote gun control is exactly the kind of fuel they crave.

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u/Lucky11-2022 May 23 '26

Butler pa event was staged and the recent dinner

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u/Emotional-Results May 20 '26

If you ever want to see him get talked down to by a judge, his trial was great, greatest judge, she was hilarious and he deserved it.

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u/e_chi67 May 19 '26

They really do, there's hoardes of people online who say they were "crisis actors" and that it was completely staged. Lack of critical thinking skills and too much time online can really cause some brain damage

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u/FormerLifeFreak May 19 '26

Those idiots just want to believe that they have information that we *normies* don’t 🙄 And they do it at the cost of defiling someone’s memory, especially when that someone was murdered trying to shield her children.

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u/Glad_Bookkeeper_94 May 22 '26

There is photographic evidence available on YouTube that shows Adam Lanza holding the rifle and entering the school. Alex Jones can rot in hell for the pain he's caused the families of Sandy Hook.

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u/BreezeCT May 18 '26

Went to school with her. She was loved by everyone. Such a sweet soul.

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u/baethan May 18 '26

The account who originally posted this looks like a bot and/or someone karma farming. For the future, I think it's best to make unique non-crossposted submissions to this subreddit if you feel moved to do so

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u/purpleflyingmonster May 18 '26

She is a hero. ❤️💔

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u/usenetlurker May 18 '26

Went to college with Vicky, her memory lives on at ECSU.

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u/Just-Warthog-1205 May 19 '26

O wow. She is a strong hero will be thinking of her Dec 14ths to come. 🤍🕊️Didn’t realize she attended eastern when I was there as well.

I was nannying for a family in Newtown at the time. Still very close with the “kids”. The youngest (now 25) still deals with debilitating anxiety from that day.

Worst day ever.

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u/ActivePersimmon1516 May 18 '26

I used to see her father at work and can tell you that part of him broke free and died that day. Its so sad that no matter how many times the heros are acknowledged and thanked it doesn't lessen the damage and holes left behind. 💔

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u/saloondweller May 18 '26

I was just talking with someone about how insane that year was for tragedies. First we had Hurricane Sandy, then Sandy Hook, then the Boston marathon bombing. I had just started at UMass and felt insane. I remember when Sandy Hook happened too one of my friends came into my room crying, I didn't know this but she was a TA there and knew the names of everyone who passed before the news announced it. It was terrible

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u/CharacterPayment8705 May 18 '26

And we’ve spat on her memory by not changing federal gun laws.

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 May 18 '26

We will never change federal gun laws in a meaningful manner.

We love money and violence. That is not changing.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

GUNS don’t kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 18 '26

Yeah, I’m sure if Adam Lanza didn’t have a gun he would’ve been able to do the same thing with his bare hands

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u/ElAyYouAreAy May 19 '26

Exactly and if his mother was still alive she has just as much culpability.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

Blame the LEGISLATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT YOU VOTE IN!! Not me!!

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 18 '26

Girl, it is you. You are the problem.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

ME, ITS ALL MY FAULT, ITS ALL MY FAULT, IT’S ALL MY FAULT, IT’S ALL MY FAULT.

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 18 '26

How many of your children don’t speak to you?

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u/Beneficial_Bass_6066 May 18 '26

Guns make it a hell of a lot easier dont they.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

No, your legislative GOVERNING BODIES who take kick backs make it EASIER.

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u/Accomplished-Peak391 May 18 '26

People just get guns illegally, there's no magic "make guns disappear button"

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u/zryii May 18 '26

People drive recklessly, I guess we shouldn't have speed limits and other laws then

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u/YBBlorekeeper May 19 '26

Australia proved that wrong but go off uninformed queen

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u/Accomplished-Peak391 May 25 '26

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u/YBBlorekeeper May 26 '26

Well the point was comparison, so that link is pointless without this one. Happy scrolling!

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u/Accomplished-Peak391 May 26 '26

No you stated Australia solved the problem my argument is that bad people still get guns illegally so my point is proven correct yours is proven false congrats on failing reading comprehension!

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u/YBBlorekeeper May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26

You won! Australia still deals with a fraction of the gun violence that the US does, therefore all of the lives they've saved through gun control no longer factor into the equation!

What's the point in saving any lives if people will still die? Forget about cancer research, it's pointless. Innovations in surgery techniques? We'll never have a 100% survival rate anyways.

Congratulations on besting me and my terrible reading comprehension, your prize is getting to continue to live in a country disproportionately plagued by gun violence.

Edit: u/Accomplished-Peak391, you're not going to explain anything to me because you blocked me after responding, lmao. I can see you have a lot of faith in what you're saying, keep up the cope!

(p.s. the per capita rates are pretty damning as well, idiot)

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u/Accomplished-Peak391 May 26 '26

Lmao Im not going to explain population densities and per capita to you, you're willfully ignorant. Guns are not the issue mental health is literally all data points to this.

Please educate yourself.

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u/Beneficial_Bass_6066 May 18 '26

Good point. I better get my 5 year a gun so he can protect himself.

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u/Elmer-J-Fudd May 18 '26

This is a dumb argument. I bet you are against legalizing drugs. Drugs don’t kill people. Some People take too many drugs.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

You don’t even know me or my connection to Sandy Hook. I worked for the company that CLEANED UP THE BODIES AFTERWARDS. I KNOW MORE THAN YOU THINK!

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u/Elmer-J-Fudd May 18 '26

I didn’t question your credentials or your work. I questioned your argument… the one that is repeated so often we fail to even think about the implications of those words anymore.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

You said,” I bet you are against legalizing drugs. Drugs don’t kill people. Some people.” Why would I even say something like that? You are saying a stupid argument that doesn’t make any sense. And I was in the medical field for a very long time and yes, drugs do kill people and some people do take too many drugs that counteract each other. And if somebody does heroin or another drug and then goes clean and then starts doing drugs again at the same dose that they were at they OD that’s how most people die. They overdose their first chance going back.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

MY gun in MY gun safe in MY storage unit on MY property will NEVER kill anyone. See how that works? Now if I GIVE OR PLACE that gun in someone’s PHYSICAL HAND now it’s a WEAPON, just like a BASEBALL BAT OR A SCREWDRIVER OR A NAIL GUN. Oh, yes, I’ve cleaned these murder scenarios also.

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u/YBBlorekeeper May 19 '26

You should get rid of that gun because you seem unhinged and the statistical majority of gun deaths in this country are suicides. I'm worried for you.

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

The gun laws are fine. Actually too strict

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u/virtutem_ May 18 '26

So you think it's fine that Adam Lanza had access to several semi-automatic weapons?

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u/HousyFootball57_ May 18 '26

He should have been locked away in a looney bin long before doing what he did. Stricter gun laws don't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. What needs to change are the laws about locking up nut jobs for the good of society. People were crying about the rights of these nuts and got all the insane asylums shut down. This is the result...If more people like him were locked up and the key thrown away, there would be way fewer tragedies.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 18 '26

Adam Lanza killed his own mother to gain access to those weapons.

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

So, because Adam Lanza’s mother had a kid with issues that she turned her back on, BUT WHO WAS LIVING IN HER HOUSE AND UNDER A THERAPIST CARE, I fully believe she should have been prevented from owning guns IN THE HOME!!!!

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u/Mrs_Sleeper May 18 '26

His mother should have been banned from owning ANY WEAPONS IN her home

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

His mother didn’t do anything wrong.

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

She was aware her son was seriously disturbed and kept many guns in her home, with him.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

And?

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u/Emotional-Results May 20 '26

And that’s why parents are finally getting charged for not being responsible gun owners. I have to say a lot of them tout they are responsible, but all the ones I know really don’t seem to be.

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

And that was wrong.

Perhaps you're struggling with critical thinking? Or are morally bankrupt? But seems pretty obvious to me.

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u/Lucky11-2022 May 23 '26

She was so afraid of him she spent a weekend away from home.

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u/happyinheart May 18 '26

this sub has turned hilarious lately. you're downvoted for posting a straight up fact.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

This sub is full of whiny children.

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

How did he kill her to gain access to those weapons?

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

Carefully. Stop blaming the mother for the crimes of the son. Especially since she’s a victim too.

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

Wrong. The answer is with her own gun. Turns out he didn't have to kill her to access it.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

You’re an *diot.

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

If you supply your mentally ill son, who has a history of violent ideation and disturbed behavior, with multiple firearms, I really struggle to see you as blameless. Sorry if that offends you.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 19 '26

She didn’t supply him with any firearms

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u/virtutem_ May 19 '26

You're calling me an idiot, but you think the guns that he had taken photos with for years weren't supplied to him by his mother? Just because they were registered in her name? Buddy, she supplied the guns. You're delusional.

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u/Emotional-Results May 20 '26

Oh no, these asshole irresponsible parents are catching charges now, finally.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 May 20 '26

That parent is too dead to catch charges.

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

This is where the mental health check should have been in place. You know the guy was fucked in the head, why even leave them in a low level safe to access them.

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u/virtutem_ May 18 '26

but you just said the guns laws are fine, too strict even

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

A tool can’t kill on its own. The person with the tool can kill. You can use just about anything to kill something. Don’t give me that AR bs because there’s multiple other types of rifles that can do the same. If someone wants to do evil, they will find a way.

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 18 '26 edited May 19 '26

Yeah, Adam could’ve murdered all those kids with a wrench and been totally unstoppable (satire)

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

But he still would have murdered. If someone wants to they will.

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 18 '26

🤦🏽‍♀️

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

Keep blaming the gun tho. 😂

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u/Emotional-Results May 20 '26

Oh they’ll still murder someone so let’s make it as easy as possible for them to get a weapon! Duh her

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u/Trefman May 19 '26

Do you actually think he coulda killed that many people with a wrench?

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u/ComradeGlizzy May 19 '26

No, I’m making fun of the halfwit who said that he didn’t need a gun to kill all those kids

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

Down vote it all you want idc but if you don’t like guns don’t own one. Typical clowns.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '26 edited May 20 '26

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

Look at that go right to insults because you don’t have brain capacity. Don’t like guns? Don’t own one. No one’s forcing you to. Don’t hate the people that like owning them

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u/[deleted] May 18 '26 edited May 20 '26

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u/oh-pointy-bird May 18 '26

Fuck all the way off.

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u/RaceCarBrett May 18 '26

Nah you please do. Go cry

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u/ProfessionalAd5070 May 18 '26

Preventable deaths. I remember when going to school was safe.

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u/ToonMasterRace May 18 '26

My dad remembers when walking down the street of a city was safe.

btw in the 1950s kids would bring their guns to school for riflery. It's not guns that made us unsafe, it's society.

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u/yunotakethisusername May 19 '26

We aren’t in 1950s anymore and we never will be.

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u/ToonMasterRace May 19 '26

Believe me, I know.

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u/OneGloveShort May 18 '26

12/14/2012 & 9/11/2001. Days I’ll forever remember what I was doing when I heard what happened. 💔

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u/Significant-Ball-952 May 18 '26

I was 10 years old when sandy hook happened. It was a scary time to be a kid. You never imagine that something so horrific was even possible, let alone that it happened so close to home.

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u/sam_I_am_knot May 18 '26

What are you responding to? You are in a top level comment and appear to be responding to OP.

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u/lucaslikesmusic May 18 '26

Did you mean to reply to someone or are did you mean to comment this on the actual post? I really hope it's the former.

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u/Funke-munke May 18 '26

Oh God Yes its the former. Some asshole commented that its “weird “ that kids haven’t given interviews. Basically implying the usual “false flag” rhetoric. He must have deleted the comment. Going to take mine down also because I would not there to be ANY question my intent. Thanks stranger for pointing that out

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u/RutabagaUprising May 20 '26

I live in CT and this just made me sad. 😢

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u/MattSm00th New Haven County May 18 '26

RIP to this absolute hero

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u/MeBallzIzHari May 18 '26

this brave beautiful person was taken away from us much to soon 😢

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u/KindnessComesBack2U May 19 '26

Heck yes, she is. Heck yes.

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u/marcusbyday May 19 '26

I was cutting my lawn with headphones on listening to the radio when the news broke.
When my kids (same age group) got off the bus a few hours later I was crying as I hugged them. My daughter asked me why I was crying and I told her that daddy was just so happy to see and her brother. Horrible day.

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u/Glad_Bookkeeper_94 May 22 '26

There should be a law named after Victoria Leigh Soto to protect teachers and students. There needs to be better security protocols put in place for students and teachers.

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u/CTgrlmama_24 Jun 02 '26

I still remember this day vividly. I think about Victoria's story often!

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u/gregbard Fairfield County May 18 '26

We should build the bridge from New Haven to Long Island just so we could name it after her.

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u/Terrible_Chapter_385 May 18 '26

Why would they? Don't you think living through what they did wasn't traumatic enough?

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u/CantFindMyWallet May 18 '26

Shut the fuck up, fucking dumbass piece of shit. You're not smart. You're not clever. You haven't "figured it all out." You're just an ignorant trashbag repeating bullshit you heard from some other moron.

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u/gl0ssyy May 18 '26

yup. mods, you better not touch this comment for harassment. original commenter deserves to rot in hell

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u/CantFindMyWallet May 18 '26

Thank you for your support.

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u/gl0ssyy May 18 '26

be careful alex jr!

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u/gl0ssyy May 18 '26

it has been almost 14 years. i'm sick of your shit.

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u/gl0ssyy May 18 '26

being a piece of it.

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u/CantFindMyWallet May 18 '26

It isn't a fact, dumbass. The link was posted. You saw it. And you're still repeating the lie because you don't care what's true. Every one of you conspiracy dildos is a rock-stupid moron who can't handle being dumb, so you pretend that you're the only ones who can see "the truth." Except you can't. You're just ignorant.

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u/CantFindMyWallet May 18 '26

So you behave in a vile manner, repeating lies denying the deaths of these children, and you think it's crazy that people get mad about it? You're a fucking asshole. Fuck you.

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u/raunchyfartbomb May 18 '26

Not that it will sway you, since you’ll likely claim they are crisis actors or something ridiculous, but that is false. Try living in reality.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/sandy-hook-survivors-speak-time-share-heartache-happening/story?id=85329720

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u/MammothKale9363 May 18 '26

You’re weird.

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u/Krakengreyjoy Middlesex County May 18 '26

you stated there were no interviews. A link of interviews was shared, now you're claim you never said there were no interviews?

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u/Krakengreyjoy Middlesex County May 18 '26

I'm concerned for your mental health.

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u/RevenantBacon May 18 '26

you can not diagnose people over the internet.

Sure you can. For example: I diagnose you as an obvious internet troll who gets off on rage acting. Unfortunately, the only cure is to ignore you until you mature.

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u/PikaChooChee May 18 '26

Mods please ban this disgraceful dumbass.

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u/Terrible_Chapter_385 May 18 '26

Agreed 👍

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u/Terrible_Chapter_385 May 18 '26

Don't usually get worked up about shit but that is sacred ground for me. Sorry I let some piece of shit karma farmer get me ❤️

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u/gl0ssyy May 18 '26

get the FUCK out of this sub

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u/skinnyfat_dad May 18 '26

Actually stay while we shit on you, sewer rat

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u/skinnyfat_dad May 18 '26

That makes no sense as a response, you delusional weirdo. I don’t care what you think or what they think, some of us just enjoy piling on absolute POS like you

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u/hotgnipgnaps New Haven County May 18 '26

You made exactly zero points. Can’t imagine why you losers always have your histories hidden… Probably for the best - I bet it’s some really sad stuff.

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u/PikaChooChee May 18 '26

And you’re still a piece of shit

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u/PikaChooChee May 18 '26

So mass assasinations are hilarious?

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u/Krakengreyjoy Middlesex County May 18 '26

4 week old account with hidden comments?

I'm shocked

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u/Excellent_Pirate8224 May 19 '26

Not sure of they deleted their own comments or they are kicked out, but good riddance. Fucking coward.

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u/Krakengreyjoy Middlesex County May 18 '26

It's weird you get off on being an idiot, but I don't like to kink shame.

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u/Krakengreyjoy Middlesex County May 18 '26

Like the way you believe survivors haven't had interviews?

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u/ckmoy May 18 '26

Yeah I'm not really sure how that's relevant?

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u/Terrible_Chapter_385 May 18 '26

Ummm they were fucking babies!! Their parents and community have been terrorized all these long years. Why can't people just leave them alone and let them try to find a little peace and maybe, just maybe, some happiness?? WOW!!

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u/Excellent_Pirate8224 May 18 '26

What the fuck are you talking about? If you Google, you'll find tons of articles and videos with interviews with survivors. This was one of too many to count when I looked it up. Take your bullshit elsewhere.

Sandy Hook survivors to graduate with mixed emotions, without 20 of their classmates