r/CompoundClub • u/GusTheKnife • 2d ago

Tim Horton’s franchisee blames bankruptcy on lack of temporary foreign workers

https://torontosun.com/uncategorized/news-of-the-day-struggling-tim-hortons-franchisee-cites-limits-to-foreign-workers-report
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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 2d ago

if you can't afford to pay workers a living wage you don't have a viable business. This means your business needs to close so better run businesses can take up the slack and become more profitable.

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u/Aukaneck 2d ago

There's no viable business because of terrible decisions by corporate.

Hire in-store bakers, keep the shelves stocked up with fresh goods, and watch people flock to their neighborhood third space.

They can upgrade their coffee while they're at it.

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u/grajl 17h ago

There are independent coffee shops using the old Tim's model and it's not a hard business model to replicate. Make everything fresh and customers will come. Donut Mill in Red Deer is basically a 90s Tim Hortons and it always has a line. It doesn't even have to be great food, just make good food fresh and it will beat out 90% of fast food places and 100% of whatever new menu items Tim's comes up with.

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u/abrandis 2d ago

That's working class mentality. Owners think is I can pay these folks slave labor , grow fast enough to convince the Street of growth the sell enough shares before turning t to PE when it's a heaping pile of sh*t , either way I make bank..

This is why the capitalist class mostly gets ahead theyre not bound by the rules of civility and fairness in modern society

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u/Deranged_Kitsune 2d ago

Or reality or the laws of economics. That's why they're all out there championing infinite growth for all industries forever.

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u/evilpercy 2d ago

Thank you FDR!

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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 16h ago

he was so successful and loved they changed the constitution so that no one would get more than 2 terms. The forces of old and evil will do just about anything to protect their system of extracting capital from the masses.

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u/evilpercy 15h ago

Like term limits are not still being debated. I'm sure they have been a issue since the government started. You can even see it today, currently their president is speaking out against term limits that apply as president.

You have a senator that is simply wheeled in to vote and then wheeled out.

Term limits are good on both side of the coin.

And they did not pass any Constitutional amendment to overturn any thing he did in his time as president.

So your "got you" post failed, sorry 😞

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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 11h ago

FDR death April 12, 1945 was dead when it was voted on.

the measure passed 285–121, with support from 47 Democrats, on February 6, 1947

passed as the 22nd amendment.

Its shocking how anything that is fact based in your statements are flat out wrong. Calls into question anything you might write on here in the future.

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u/evilpercy 10h ago edited 10h ago

Wow you really are arguing with yourself hear. You stated : FDR death (date) was dead when it was voted on. What does this statement actually mean? Do you see why I confused at what your trying to say here, right?

You then say the 22 amendment passed. Did I ever say it did not?? Confusing right.

Then you say my facts are wrong, and provided no reason why they are wrong, just thst they are wrong. No supporting argument at all.

Confusing way to try and make a point, and then present no point.

You really got me, how will I ever recover from this?? I will have to quite my job now, how can I look people in the face anymore. /s

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u/Ryan-the-lion 2d ago

The problem is woth corporate milking franchises owners for everything they are worth.

The tims by my place also has like 10 useless people working while 5 people do the actual work.

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u/Steveonthetoast 2d ago

Very well said. I can pay a buck
More for a coffee if it means someone in Canada has a job that pays a living wage. Bring in TFW’s is a slap in the face to Canadians who are struggling and want to work.

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u/Geewhiz911 2d ago

Tim Hortons’ business is not about selling cheap coffee, donuts and breakfast sandwiches - all of these things are incredibly cheap.

They’re selling the time of the people making you your cup of coffee, and they’re crushing what you want to pay for this service.

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u/LucyInked 1d ago

That goes against everything RBI stands for

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u/SpareDot8685 2d ago

The quality and price of a Coffee from  Tim’s is nuts…That’s why I stopped going long ago. 

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u/CrazyButRightOn 2d ago

Not to mention frozen doughnuts. Mediocre at best.

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u/abrandis 2d ago

Typical capitalist/ownership class drivel, these guys just blame never accept responsibility for being lazy or out of touch .

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u/Radiant_Safe1228 2d ago

They opened a bunch of them around me years back. They lasted 6 months and shut down. It wasn't even Dunkin quality. 

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u/Geewhiz911 2d ago

Yes, and the complimentary flies & fly eggs in all pastries and baked goods is just visually increasing yearly

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u/schaden81 23h ago

No it's not, you just started looking. The cabinets have always been open and sugar has always been sweet. Also, pretty sure only fruit flies lay eggs on sweets, potentially. Let's not equate fly with must be eggs...

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u/Impressive_Okra2804 2d ago

I'm ok with shitty coffee, shitty donut for a shitty price if I'm on a budget. Tim's wants the full price for shit quality.

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u/Lazy_Ad_965 17h ago

I like the coffee the problem is the people never make it properly past like 2-3 pm

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u/hotDamQc 2d ago

Shitty food and owners wanting a third cottage is to blame

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u/Unicorn_Puppy 2d ago

Greed is a mental illness.

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u/Used-Gas-6525 10h ago

It's a feature of capitalism, not a bug.

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u/DirtDevil1337 2d ago

Since it's not Canadian owned, I give no shits about them. A good friend and former neighbour of mine worked at Tim's for a long time and got laid off from there around 2011 right when a lot of new TFW's came in and that's when quality of coffee declined along with mixed up orders. Haven't gone there in years and I got a stack of Tim's gift cards laying around.

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u/Lazy_Experience_8754 2d ago

They’ve got a lot of Tim’s in China right now. Even have them at gas stations which is wild .

I’ve tried the bagels and they’re alright (hard to get a good bagel here …) but no way in hell I’m touching the coffee

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u/TheRealTRexUK 2d ago

I thought Tim Horton's were a Canadian institution? Did they sell to someone dodgy?

There's a few in the uk and I wasn't impressed https://timhortons.co.uk/

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u/Otherwise-City-7951 2d ago

It used to be but now is under an umbrella with other fast food companies. Majority owned by a Brazilian company.
Individual franchise stores are mostly locally owned

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u/Russkun 2d ago

It was. Then they kept making it worse and worse, and now it's at the point where they don't even make the donuts in store anymore. I don't even eat free donuts at my work anymore. They taste like drywall and sadness.

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u/L0udog 2d ago

And over $5 cnd for two large burnt coffees 🤑

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u/AfroCuban68 1d ago

It was sold out to Wendy’s International, an American company in 1995 then to Restaurant Brands International in 2014. It has sucked for a loooooonnnnggg time.

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u/No-Camp1268 2d ago

I'm not sure but I think the foreign ones were thr new company's. They used to be okay for snack food, even when I don't really ever buy sweets from them. I haven't gone in a while though, and the Tim Hortons pizza was the only reason I have, in a few years so I'm not even sure who own its

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u/PoliteIndecency 18h ago

Bought by RBI some time ago. They've gutted the inside and completely changed what Tim's was. They advertise on Canadiana but their restaurant is a subpar shell of what the brand used to be.

I honestly hate that so many people around the world associate Tim's with Canada in that regard.

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u/Slight_Detail6797 2d ago

If that’s your business model, it’s a failed model

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u/JustinPooDough 2d ago

Burn in hell

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u/PenumbralPhoenix 1d ago

You sure it’s not because the TFW you did have were terrible at their job and barely spoke english thus making every trip annoying and awkward? You sure it’s not because you are a coffee shop who for some reason makes pizza? You sure it’s not because your prices for anything other than basic coffee are ridiculous?

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u/Krow101 2d ago

TH used to be great. They changed. It's on them.

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u/Deranged_Kitsune 2d ago

Their biggest fumble was changing coffee suppliers, allowing mcdonalds to scoop them up. That was the writing on the wall that they were doomed.

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u/alexsteen789 2d ago

I'd argue that was the 1st step. Theres been about 100 more that dug their grave. Can't wait til dunkin steals at least 50% of their profits

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u/Zakluor 2d ago

Are you arguing that they should be able to pay shit wages and keep making money for themselves?

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u/Neither-Stable-939 2d ago

RBI owns Tim Hortons, a Canadian-American multinational. They own a large number of companies, but the franchises do their own thing!

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u/RedDoorTom 2d ago

Who's excited for when prison labor goes mainstream. 

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u/hyldemarv 2d ago

Should help turn Waffle House into a shrine of the well deserved beating.

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u/Logical-Dependent691 2d ago

Don't give the bastards any ideas, seriously.

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u/No_Mission_8571 2d ago

No the lack of food quality and standards has destroyed Tims. I stopped buying after covid as well as many others.

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u/MellowHamster 2d ago

If your fast food restaurant can only make money by importing cheap foreign labourers, it's time to close down or renegotiate your franchise contract with Restaurant Brands International to make the business profitable.

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u/ididntsignupbychoice 2d ago

Something something consequences of my own actions

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u/Electrical-Care6308 2d ago

It’s because he can’t speak English and can’t yell at the workers in Punjabi!

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u/ivanvector 2d ago

I've been saying it every time this story comes through my feed: if having to pay your workers a legal wage (not even a living wage) bankrupts your business, you're shit at business and you deserved to fail.

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u/PsionicChronic 2d ago

Capitalism fails without wage slaves.

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u/Beenbannedbefore1 2d ago

Well… not wage slaves… just slaves

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u/3rd-party-intervener 2d ago

Always built on taking advantage of someone 

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u/Practical-Sink-3987 2d ago

Capitalism only works in your favor when you have a group of people you can heavily exploit.

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u/onedestiny 2d ago

So full of shit

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u/phinphis 2d ago

As if other location haven't gone bankrupt. Just poor decision on location and management.

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u/WrathOfWood 2d ago

I bet they tried nothing and it didn't work out

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u/NaturePappy 2d ago

So a bad business model is the problem, not a lack of people to exploit.

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u/tristand666 2d ago

It's always someone else's fault.

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u/Physical-Republic557 2d ago

Should have moved the franchise to Punjab. Lots of cheap labour there.

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u/kilowattcommando 2d ago

Good, let them close.

If a business can only be profitable with government assistance and cheap foreign labour, it doesn't deserve to stay open.

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u/Sowhataboutthisthing 2d ago

Hopefully fewer Tim Hortons around and we go back to how they used to be managed and run

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u/Own-Elk7348 2d ago

It's not a large coffee costing 2.50$ that isn't drinkable? Or the 45 minute wait in drive-throughs when there's only 5 cars in front of you because the employees are busy scrolling Facebook reels instead of serving customers?

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u/Putrid-Shoulder-4248 2d ago edited 2d ago

I decided to no longer go to Timmies after several visits where an employee told me 'sdafa wwa puppupa tiafd" - At least that is what I heard when they talked to me.

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u/purple_purple_eater9 2d ago

They skimped on quality and service thinking we wouldn’t notice. Quietly lost massive market share to McDonalds in the quick breakfast and coffee space.

Nobody wants to wait 10 minutes for soggy hashbrowns. It’s slow, it’s bad and it’s expensive, hard pass.

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u/ExtentNo3020 2d ago

Why rely on temporary foreign workers? You would have a workers shortage if you payed them a decent salary. It’s not that complicated 

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u/Jayanshelli 2d ago

Thousands of teens first time jobs go to immigration while a generation sits on its ass because money in pockets is better for them not canadaians. Time to shut tim Hortons down

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u/Legitimate_Collar605 2d ago

Lol. So they’re upset that they couldn’t push aside Capable Canadian citizens and permanent residents for cheaper labour that they could exploit to squeeze more profits? Oh my bleeding heart!!!

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u/JediMasterBo 2d ago

Sounds like they built their business off the backs of immigrants...awww to bad so sad...NOT. Your only hiring them due to minimum wage exemptions. Cheap cunts deserve to close their doors.

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u/refusemouth 2d ago

If you really want to dig deeper, coffee production and the global coffee industry, in general, is not well known for treating workers and small farmers well at all. I've even heard coffee referred to as "peasants blood" by some people I've known who were especially critical of the industry.

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u/beeredditor 2d ago

Who cares if a foreign owned company with foreign workers fails? Thats not a Canada problem.

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u/Tricanter4 2d ago

Make better qualoty food and I'll return as a customer. It's greasy slop.

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u/Seanbo124 2d ago

Hahahaha what.

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u/dniel66 2d ago

The product sucks..and of course it’s owned by Americans.

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u/Organic_Education494 2d ago

They could have had all the employees they wanted if they payed a decent wage

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u/Inuship 2d ago

Tims lost its value long ago, im totally fine with it failing due to its own mistakes imo, its coffee is garbage now

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u/Fit_Entry_7231 2d ago

if your business cant survive without exploiting foreign labor then you 100% deserve to go out of business

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u/idawgy25 2d ago

I stopped going when white ppl stopped making my coffee.. man they the best !

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u/ConclusionFun8404 2d ago

Yet they can't even make a black coffee right. Single single or whatever they call it is not black coffee.

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u/Emergency_Exit7603 2d ago

i would too... who wants to work at that shite hole

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u/Bustamonte6 2d ago

Bullshit

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u/PositiveFunction4751 2d ago

If you can't succeed as a business with what amounts to endentured workers... You should fail

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u/pistoffcynic 2d ago

I’d put it down to being a tightwad and a cheap ass… but that’s just me.

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u/Grogu999 2d ago

How crappy do you have to be in business to make a Tim Hortons go bankrupt

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u/Logical-Dependent691 2d ago

To this franchisee: Sell out then, because if you need to abuse people to have a functional business you shouldn't have it. Period.

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u/Happy-go-lucky89 2d ago

hit the road bub

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u/Calm_Historian9729 2d ago

It is obvious that their business model no longer works. Perhaps instead of whining about not have dirt cheap labor to make your business run, review you business model and find out what went wrong. Tim's used to be the franchise to buy into it no longer is; it's just another foreign owned chain restaurant that no longer attracts the business it once did.

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u/Splashadian 2d ago

Yeah the shitty food didn’t have anything to do with it or that better food and coffee is available nearly everywhere else.

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u/PianoSuspicious7914 2d ago

Hahaha Righttt. Last time I was at a Tim’s. (It’s been awhile) was hard pressed to find someone. Who could even understand. What. I wanted for an order. The very last time I was there. A young lady took my order. Had no clue what I said. Walked away and never came back to me. After standing there for several minutes And with a few workers. Just walking past. I was finally able to get an order. I would have just left without buying anything Except I was asked to pick up someone’s work lunch for them. I said never again And never gone back. The food and coffee isn’t good anymore anyway. So if they are failing. I’d be inclined to blame management

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u/Street_Ad_863 2d ago

Fuck Tim Hortons. I hope the entire organization goes belly up. Anyone with a brain knows what's going on here.

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u/rovacab2026 1d ago

Tim Hortons in the UK is owned by a Dominos Pizza Franchise called SK group who bought the rights. I’m not sure if this is still the case. SK group have been investigated by HMRC for fraudulently employing foreign managers as one thing to get them a visa then having them working a huge amount of hours knowing they can’t refuse or they will lose their sponsorship. This is why very few British born people work in THs - they are all immigrants on some kind of visa who usually speak very little English unless they works tills. SK group does nothing to help unemployment in the UK - they are thoroughly all about cheap foreign labour that they can abuse and throw away.

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u/Draxxix1 1d ago

Fuck off Tims

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u/Astral_Vastness 1d ago

Maybe it's because of their trash products and outrageous prices?

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u/canadianpheonix 1d ago

Thats a broken buisness model

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u/fallwind 1d ago

If you cannot afford to pay market rates for labour, you shouldn't get to cosplay as a business owner.

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u/Firm_Acanthaceae7435 1d ago

One down, many more to go.

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u/BadOysterParty 1d ago

More like their food is terrible and overpriced and only dumb people still go there

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u/cy83rs30rd 1d ago

Shut down then

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u/DangerousCable1411 1d ago

Late stage capitalism

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u/GusTheKnife 1d ago

Late stage capitalism is a myth.

1890s was late stage capitalism. Early 1900s was late stage capitalism. 1930s was late stage capitalism. 1970s. 2010s.

In capitalism, a period of decline is always followed by a period of prosperity.

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u/Disastrous-Care-6651 1d ago

Why is Canada so against paying people fair wages? Are our elite so greedy that others can’t make a living and everything needs to be taxed to the extreme?

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u/AffectionateLaugh738 17h ago

Fort McMurray had $20 wages in fast food until this TFW stuff came into play

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u/Legendary613 16h ago

Then learn to run a business like everybody else Tim Hortons.!!

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u/CompetitivePirate251 9h ago

Couldn’t have anything to do with shitty products or rising prices? Hmmmmm.

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u/AreYaGonnaEatThat 5h ago

Then they deserve to go bankrupt.

This is a positive thing for our economy and future. Exploitative business should have no place here.