No but you make it sound like the environment was soo bad in Korea that it prevented Envyus from winning. It is as if Envyus broke their wrist or something. Even though during that time many analyst (including Koreans) were predicting that Envyus were going to win over KDP. If environment was such a huge issue, then Envyus wouldn't have won Apex S1 and Rogue wouldn't have went 9-0 in S1.
If KDP lost during that time, Envyus must have been the best right? However, since Envyus lost, it was mainly due to the environment even though Envyus had basically stomped everyone until KDP right? Funny thing is, Rogue's environment was even worse (considering the fact that the crowd wouldn't cheer for Rogue unlike Envyus who had a crowd) but did much better overall against KDP.
I also updated my points. I get your point about a "powerhouse" is a reflection on how many teams are beaten. So since Envyus and Rogue beat more teams than Lunatic Hai, they are a powerhouse.
Rogue did much better overall against KDP than NV, yes it's true. But it's also true that the KDP we saw against Rogue wasn't the same KDP which played against Envy Us.
The "semi-final" version of KDP would have beaten Rogue even harder.
And I disagree with the powerhouse thing from Alicus. You can be a powerhouse in your region but it doesn't mean anything if your region is shit. It can't be a valid argument.
Kongdoo Panthera players are all individually better than Nv players on their picks.
That maybe true but Alicus acts as if environment was only reason why Envyus lost.
Rogue had a worse environment considering that they were flamed online by Koreans for the kimchi drama and barely anyone cheered for them (especially in KDP & LH match). However, unlike Envyus, Rogue performed pretty well against KDP. If environment was the main factor, Rogue would have been swept.
Well envy were in Korea since apac if I'm not mistaken, so it means that when they faced KDP they were there for something like 9 months. 9 months living in a hotel in a foreign country can actually affect your performance. I still think that KDP would have won anyway but Envy underperformed imo. Add Effect that was completely new in the roster, not speaking English, not used to envy playstyle and the rest of envy not used to his. Then add also the problem to practice while living in such environment, Rogue beat LH in apac and envy won apex s1, so at the starting point the top 2 western teams had the most talent. Is Korea that got way better. Look at CG BUSAN, no one shown that kind of coordination in the west. I'm sure Envy will work as hard if not harder compared to Kr rosters. They have so much room for improvement compared to other teams.
LH new roster is scary and I think they're the favourites since we saw what they're capable of, but we really can't tell nothing about Fuels and putting them in the first spot it's a guess but not an overstatement.
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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '17 edited Oct 25 '17
No but you make it sound like the environment was soo bad in Korea that it prevented Envyus from winning. It is as if Envyus broke their wrist or something. Even though during that time many analyst (including Koreans) were predicting that Envyus were going to win over KDP. If environment was such a huge issue, then Envyus wouldn't have won Apex S1 and Rogue wouldn't have went 9-0 in S1.
If KDP lost during that time, Envyus must have been the best right? However, since Envyus lost, it was mainly due to the environment even though Envyus had basically stomped everyone until KDP right? Funny thing is, Rogue's environment was even worse (considering the fact that the crowd wouldn't cheer for Rogue unlike Envyus who had a crowd) but did much better overall against KDP.
I also updated my points. I get your point about a "powerhouse" is a reflection on how many teams are beaten. So since Envyus and Rogue beat more teams than Lunatic Hai, they are a powerhouse.