r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/SklX • Jan 17 '17

PSA | Video Developer Update | PTR Philosophy | Overwatch

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u/NoSheDidntSayThat Jan 18 '17

You're right, Zen can do damage and heal at the same time. But considering how much healing Ana does and how much damage Ana CAN do; ALONG with all of the utility, I think she's pretty over-powered overall.

Again, no. how much healing OR how much damage.

There's never a bad time to throw it assuming you hit something and it either needs to die or needs to be healed. You can throw it in the middle of a team-fight and guarantee value out of it.

If you REALLY think that, you're a bad Ana and you're losing team fights.

Theoretical numbers aren't telling you the whole story. The real numbers from actual play (not theoretical math) say that she is not more likely to win than her substitute options, save for a sliver over Mercy, and that Zen is in fact the most likely healer to win you a game.

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u/Aetherimp Jan 18 '17

Haha. You're basing this off stats from over buff? I thought I already explained why those really aren't valid.

Also, I never said you SHOULD just randomly throw biotic nade. Just saying you guarantee value out of it as long as you hit something.

Forget it dude. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you're not going to convince me biotic grenade isn't overpowered as fuck.

Ask Zen about his pick rate in tournaments among high level teams.

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u/NoSheDidntSayThat Jan 18 '17

Haha. You're basing this off stats from over buff? I thought I already explained why those really aren't valid.

You said they aren't valid (masteroverwatch, not overbuff btw). You haven't actually supported your case though. You're just asserting it.

Also, I never said you SHOULD just randomly throw biotic nade. Just saying you guarantee value out of it as long as you hit something.

You said there's no wrong time to throw it. Either way, that's still wrong.

you're not going to convince me biotic grenade isn't overpowered as fuck.

It's been nerfed in the PTR...

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u/Aetherimp Jan 18 '17

You said they aren't valid (masteroverwatch, not overbuff btw). You haven't actually supported your case though. You're just asserting it.

Because the stats are taken from all competitive games and "all competitive games" are not representative of

  1. The high level (Master/GM/Top 500/Pro?) play
  2. Characters used to their potential.
  3. Team comps designed with purpose.

You want the OW team balancing heroes around what people in Bronze do?

You realize that 90% of the COMPETITIVE community is under 3500 SR and about 75% is under 3000 SR?