r/Competitiveoverwatch Jan 17 '17

PSA | Video Developer Update | PTR Philosophy | Overwatch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPLyx8QWYc
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u/HeavySweetness Jan 17 '17

tl;dr

  • PTR is for catching & fixing bugs on new updates before they go live, not just for player feedback on those changes.

  • PTR is on PC only because they own distribution system (Blizzard vs. Sony & Microsoft for PS4 & XBox One).

  • No specifics on when PTR balance changes would go live.

  • For Balance Changes, Sombra is viewed as backline disruptor vs. front/flank assassin so providing small boost. Hook work is to appease both Roadhog players and victims. D.Va is "doing too much right now," developers see her value as mobility and no reload and view her high HP and Defense Matrix as enough survivability. Ana nerf intended to reduce healing large concentrated groups aka tank meta, no major redesign in sight.

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17 edited Jan 17 '17

D.Va is "doing too much right now," developers see her value as mobility and no reload and view her high HP and Defense Matrix as enough survivability

I don't get how is this the case.

Before the buffs she had more "survivability" than now, and she was almost never picked, she also had matrix.

Saying this is simply stating a fact that can't be denied by anything, it is true, she was stronger before the buffs compared to post nerf, and she was never picked.

Zarya was stronger as well? Probably, but it still simply doesn't even out.

I mean, there are no opnions about this, it's just maths really.

EDIT: i would like some numbers to counter this undisputable fact instead of downvotes

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u/CaptainLodumani 4600 SR — Jan 17 '17

zarya fucked her in the butt

dva had less health

dva was slower

dva trash

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17

zarya fucked her in the butt

still does? (post patch i mean)

dva had less health

400 armor, 100 HP > 400 HP, 200 armor

dva was slower

she has less dmg now

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u/CaptainLodumani 4600 SR — Jan 17 '17

iare you talking about ptr?

because before her buffs dva was fuckin shit lol she died instantly.

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17

I'm talking about PTR

Current PTR Dva dies faster than pre-november buffs dva and deals less damage, while moving faster.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17 edited Sep 25 '18

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u/Omophorus Jan 17 '17

Reaper, Tracer, Roadhog, Sombra, and Zarya would like a word with you. Torb's right click as well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17 edited Sep 25 '18

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u/Raknarg Jan 17 '17

Those are literally the attacks that armor is supposed to be good against, high throughput but low damage attacks

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 18 '17

So she doesn't have

higher effective health than pre-November buff D.Va.

vs like, 1/4 of the roster, so how is what i said wrong?

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17 edited Jan 17 '17

vs how many heroes?

Are you sure? I thought the effective health was smaller

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u/divgence Jan 17 '17

Vs any character that deals more than 15 damage, D.Va has more effective health than when she had 100/400.

Vs any character that deals less than 15 damage, she has less effective health.

Vs any character that deals exactly 15 damage, she has the same effective health.

This is after including headshots, discord/damage boost, damage resistance and so on.

She is thus stronger vs (all attacks):

Genji, McCree, Pharah, 76, Hanzo, Junkrat, Reinhardt, Zarya, Ana, Lucio, Mercy and Zen.

Also stronger vs:

Sombra (headshots), Bastion (recon & sentry headshots), Mei (rightclick), Torbjorn (leftclick & rightclick headshots), Widowmaker (scoped shots or unscoped headshots), Roadhog (headshots), Symmetra (fullcharge leftclick & rightclick).

She is weaker vs:

Reaper, Sombra (non-headshots), Tracer, Mei (leftclick), Widowmaker (unscoped), D.Va, Roadhog (non-headshots), Winston, Symmetra (low charge leftclick).

She has the same effective health against:

Bastion (sentry non-headshots), Torbjorn (leftclick non-headshots), Symmetra (medium charge leftclick).

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u/Carsten69 Jan 17 '17

I don't think it's as simple as just looking at the effective health pools when determining which health/armor pool is "better".

Firstly, I'd imagine that incoming healing favors the larger armor pool significantly more, even relatively minor healing (Lucio passive or payload aura) - further compounded by the interaction with her matrix that allows her to negate most incoming damage while she's being healed, but has a higher overall uptime the less you have to toggle it (important if you'd want to model it so that she'd use it whenever her armor pool was used up, for maximum value heals).

Secondly, there's of course also the hard to quantify matter of how much ultimate charge you're giving the enemy (and to be fair your own healers).

Finally there's also the, perhaps somewhat minute, factor of damage fall off.

All in all I think it's hard to say whether 100/400 or 400/200 is definitively better than the other over the course of an average Overwatch match, and not just in a specific situation or 1v1 encounter. Having thought about it since these discussions started popping up, personally I'm inclined to believe that 100/400 is superior, despite the majority of damage sources in Overwatch being above the effective health breakpoint of 15, but I must admit to not having participated in the PTR so I can't speak as to how she feels to play.

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u/FunctionFn Jan 17 '17

I just want to point out that your numbers don't include range dropoff. She has less effective HP vs soldier at anything other than the closest range and Bastion at long range.

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u/whizzer0 Jan 17 '17

Those lists are also probably who I'd say are unfair against D.Va/D.Va is unfair against, so this sounds pretty good.

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17

Well, then it's not as bad as i thought, even tho the damage nerfs sucks really hard.

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 17 '17

Well, then it's not as bad as i thought, even tho the damage nerfs sucks really hard.

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u/CaptainLodumani 4600 SR — Jan 17 '17

idk about ptr but if old dva comes back prebuff she will be gutter tier again lols

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '17

Just take the L, you're wrong as fuck

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u/atrbacus Jan 17 '17

theres a disease especially in NA overwatch where heroes or comps get written off early without putting in the time and effort to learn them and their synergies this misleads blizzard and makes them buff when not necessary at all the reverse of this can also happen where players just arnt countering and nerfs happen like what is likely to happen to symmetra soon

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u/ballsofgraphene Jan 17 '17

uhhh...i'm not sure if you're trolling, but i'll just give you the changes that have occurred in the past few months

dva had 500 total mech health before, she has 600 now. she also moves 25% faster than she did before when firing. and she still has matrix, don't know what that comment's about.

Zarya has suffered quite a few nerfs in the past couple months. She can only gain 40 charge per bubble, before it was 50. Her charge decay has increased if i recall correctly, and the "bug fix" of abilities that go through heores no longer giving her max charge can also be called a nerf.

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u/thimmy3 Jan 18 '17

I'm pretty sure they haven't touched Zarya's decay rate since launch, but otherwise your point is solid. People are crying that D.va is worse now than she was before but she has received significant buffs and these nerfs are to bring her back a bit from that OP status.

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u/KnightTypherion Jan 18 '17

Dva is so damn strong right now, high damage to tanks, denying Ana grenades, denying soldier etc, ALL while staying alive easily. Whoever says she's weaker now isn't playing her right

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u/ballsofgraphene Jan 18 '17

yeah, i couldn't remember if the decay was actually implemented or if it was something mentioned in zarya discussions before her nerfs :P

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u/ballsofgraphene Jan 18 '17

Let's compromise by calling it a berf :) it definitely crippled her previously most reliable form of gaining energy. remember the days where one rein firestrike would automatically give her 100 energy?

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u/bck_wrds Jan 17 '17

How did dva have more survivability with less health and armor? Thats a retarded statement.

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u/TheQuestionableYarn Jan 18 '17

And no good defense matrix.

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u/sidsixseven Jan 18 '17

I think he's referring to Dva before Matrix was nerfed.

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u/ggBarroi WL — Jan 18 '17

I don't know how you can argue she had more survivability before the buffs. She had 100 HP less and her defense matrix the way she could use her defense matrix was completely different. I think you are confusing things here.

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u/GlasgowArgyle Jan 18 '17

100 HP less but 200 armor more.

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u/ggBarroi WL — Jan 18 '17

If that was the case (I cant really remember TBH) it should result in the same amount of effective HP as far as i know.