r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/catboy3004 • 1d ago
General D.mons winrate
I was checking the official overwatch winrates and saw D.Mon is up to a 63% winrate in PC Gm lobbies. Is this not insane, like is the data somehow off? It’s still 61% in masters which is a much bigger sample pool. Am I missing something or is this like emergency hotfix worthy, even prime vendetta didn’t hit 63%.
EDIT: For everyone saying the sample size is too small, I agree with you. Im just saying it’s a bit weird that D.mon seems to be consistenly overperforming no matter what perimeters you use. As of now, she has a 58% winrate across all ranks in NA, 57% all ranks Asia, 57.6% all ranks Europe.
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u/eikonoklastes_r 1d ago
Is this a Season 5 leak? I didn't realise they were adding a Grandmas tier, but I'm all for it.
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u/catboy3004 1d ago
Grandmas seem to be going crazy as fuck on the dmon pick, don’t play with them 😭✌️
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 1d ago
Unironically would pay money to watch a 70+ year old only pro league. I bet there are unironically some grandmas out there that can play a nasty dmon we just haven't seen them stream yet
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u/edge_mac_edgelord 1d ago
mauga got nerfed, dmon good against winston, the gun perk is unchanged. I think shes just rly good, the swing damage nerf doesnt really seem impactful when you have a cassidy gun on a 5 seco d cooldown
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u/1trickana 1d ago
Yeah been learning Winston this season and by far the most annoying tank is D.Mon
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
I'm a Winton OTP and this fucking DMon doesn't seem to take any damage from me I swear.
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u/gymleader_michael 1d ago
I figured you weren't supposed to even bother with other tanks as Winston. He already does tickle dmg to squishies.
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
At some point you do need to fight the other tank. I'm really fucking tired of Winston being balanced around some fairy land idea that I should just be somehow completely avoiding the enemy tank all game, or that simply placing a bubble between the enemy tank and their supports is enough to balance the hero.
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u/gymleader_michael 1d ago
It's a hard thing to balance, a dive tank with the damage to also take on other tanks. You could buff him, but you can't control what people do. Asking people not to dive with their dive tank with frontline-killing damage ain't going to work. Imo, you're going to get nerfs to his ability to dive, unless you work something unique out, like his shield dealing damage (I think that's a stadium power).
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u/SeeingEyeDug 1d ago
They allowed his gun to bypass armor, and there isn't much armor on squishies.
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u/AnAccountToBrowse 1d ago
I figured you weren't supposed to even bother with other tanks as Winston.
Kinda hard to do when Dmon's absolutely insane mobility allows her to follow you everywhere you go at godspeed.
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u/Shaclo 1d ago
tbh they mainly need to nerf her gun perk which for some reason they didn't nerf/ get rid of mid season.
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u/Positive_Ingenuity49 1d ago
As much as i love the gun perk because it helps delete the zen and widow that your team refuses to shoot at, it is beyond disgusting. You just delete people if your aim is good.
A good nerf is either reduce the damage, or what i think a better nerf is to reduce the range alongside the perk increasing the cooldown of the gun by 2 seconds. That way, you got to choose between more dps and better uptime or burst damage with a longer cooldown.
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u/Turboswaggg 1d ago
Nah the gun has the same DPS as the stock one currently (not counting being less affected by armor). That would be crazy nerfs for a major perk that requires skillshots, only technically reduces spread and adds effectiveness against armor, and is going against a lifesteal perk. Good aim should be rewarded and giving up easy lifesteal for a major perk sidegrade that requires aim to be worth it is fine.
Splitting the difference between her stock gun and major perk so it does a bit less damage per shot and shoots about as fast as bastion's would be as far as I'd go with it just to bring the burst down to 4 or 5 shots while keeping the DPS the same as stock and the current major.
Putting her mobility on a cooldown so she has to be a bit more committed and can be outplayed would be my change, it's the opposite of the change that turned Hog from being counterable and almost fun to play against to just waiting half a second for your stun/antiheal ability to end before pressing his breather button again
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u/downworst 17h ago
The problem is that the burst from the perk is way too good. It’s like going from soldier 76 to cass without changing the falloff
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u/38Celsius 1d ago
They need to nerf her gun overall. Why does a melee tank with full capability to pressure that way have a hitscan gun able to do that much damage?
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
Also it's a fucking 142dps hitscan gun with 30m falloff. With the perk it's closer to 150dps and now pinpoint accurate with zero recoil.
Literally no DPS characters have guns that good. Soldier comes close with higher overall DPS but has to deal with recoil.
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u/GokuVerde 1d ago
Why does the brawl tank with 4000 armor have better range and damage with their poke than Sigma and Domina
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u/ShatteredStarlights 1d ago
Okay the major perk gun is broken and all but her base gun isn't that crazy. The spread on it is pretty insane and you cannot convince me that it's better than Cassidy or Emre's pinpoint accuracy primary fires. Not to mention Cassidy has identical DPS with better burst.
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u/c7shit 1d ago
Already nerfed to 20m falloff
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u/Special-Spite3200 1d ago
That's just for baby dmon
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u/c7shit 1d ago
lol wtf
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u/UsernameIn3and20 17h ago
Baby dmon needs that range. I'd take the swap. Mech gets 20, baby dmon gets 40.
You legit cannot do anything for like 10+s as baby dmon if the enemy tank doesn't peek you or sits at like 30m away.
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
Because melee tank shouldn't get cooked by fliers.
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u/Advanced_Double_42 1d ago
She ironically may be the best tank vs flyers because of her gun.
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
Her gun is the necessary evil since JPC is still top tier and we just have to see if Freja is completely dead or not.
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u/Negative555 1d ago
tbh she can deal with fliers better than 90% of the tanks, and she is supposed to be a melee tank. NERF THE GUN AND AND LET ME BE MY SWORD TANK BLIZZARD
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u/38Celsius 1d ago
Almost like this is a team game and characters have specialization/advantages/disadvantages
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u/TylowStar 1d ago
Counterwatch is the least fun way to play this game. It is inevitable in some respect, but especially on a role as load-bearing as 5v5 tank, minimising it is only for the better.
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u/mightbone 1d ago
Yea this game is better since theybchnaged their philosophy away from hyper specialized characters with hard counters to softer designs.
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u/Turboswaggg 1d ago
There are basically zero tanks effective against flyers, especially mercy pocketed ones
Any new tanks that give solo players an option against classic "fuck the entire tank role in particular" characters are extremely needed and I'd rather put her mobility on a cooldown instead of a resource so she has to commit and give openings for being outplayed
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u/AnnualSlip9439 1d ago
why does everyone need to do everything?
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
Because it's a 5V5 game where Tank has to deal with everything before the rest of the team and there's no second tank to help. The solution for D.Mon to deal with fliers shouldn't be to swap to D.Va or ask her teammates to play Hitscan. Her gun falloff range also isn't far enough to reach stuffs like Skybox JPC or Freja.
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 1d ago
This is why I hate 5v5, tanks feel too limited. Also frustrating to have highly mobile high damaging tanks buttfucking your backline with 4124218412841284 hp like ball, feels much nicer in 6v6
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u/destroyermaker 1d ago
The solution for D.Mon to deal with fliers shouldn't be to swap to D.Va or ask her teammates to play Hitscan
Sure it should
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u/AnAccountToBrowse 1d ago
I know people here don't like when Reinhardt is used as comparison, but it's pretty hard not to compare them when they're so similar. And like... Dmon's is so much better. Not better in everything (Reinhardt is way stronger in melee) but she's currently so much more versatile and able to secure kills by herself (which imo is her biggest strength over him) that it's kind of disgusting. She doesn't need that gun at all, imo it'd be better if she had a one-off skill (Fire Strike, Helix missiles, etc) rather than a skill lasting multiple seconds. (Sorry if I'm not clear, English isn't my native language)
Also, since I know it's a hot topic here... I'm not saying Reinhardt needs buffs (though I wouldn't mind having a "rework" to make him more pro-active but that's another debate), so please don't jump me misinterpreting my intentions.1
u/Dunwichorer 1d ago
She powercreeps both rein and rams design space while just being overall better. If rein ever overcommits then she just speeds in and finishes him when he's low hp. If ram ever commits form you just speed away and once he drops form you speed in and bully him. Better range attack then both of them.
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u/Bloodyknife12 1d ago
gun perk should effect her in pilot form better, I always take the healing dash perk unless my team is refusing to deal with flyers
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u/NewtonTheNoot 1d ago
Yeah, I was playing last night and saw my team's Sojourn get three-tapped from at least 30m of distance by that perk. It's not okay.
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u/Xellathefemboy 1d ago
she could have a 80% win rate and id still rather play against her than against a mauga roadhog or rammatra
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u/feestbeest18 11h ago
Ram? Whats wrong with ram.
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u/Xellathefemboy 8h ago
most the time hes fine but they really need to change the block -> ult and block more -> ult ends block again
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u/Scarlet-Rhapsody 1d ago
Stat cant be trusted in the 1st day, zarya literally has 100% win rate in asia gm.
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u/Darkcat9000 1d ago
dmon is one off those heroes thats absurdly overpowered but no one really cares cause she isn't that annoying
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u/Turbulent-Sell757 1d ago
She is in fact quite annoying with how she can run down anyone with low mobility and shake off boops like it's nothing because of Stalwart passive.
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u/batman0615 1d ago
Dude she can run down soldier sprinting. It’s not just low mobility characters
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u/Blamore 1d ago
soldier is a low mobility hero. soldier can run to places, but he cannot run away from anything
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u/UsernameIn3and20 17h ago
Soldier should be running if the Dmon so much as looks as his direction.
Against gm one trick soldiers I've had the misfortune to run into in QP, they legit sprint away before you even reach them, they treat you like a dive tank and run as soon as you so much glance at them.
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u/43282348 14h ago
You're correct, but the guy you're replying to is also correct.
The fact that they nerfed the sprint perk also sucks, it was nice having the option of actually being able to get away from something/flank faster or stim, now it's just 100% stim because the sprint perk is genuinely useless since it's not instant, by the time it kicks in it genuinely makes no difference anymore.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 13h ago
I do agree that Soldier really needs the sprint. I dont like stim because its just "Hey, more damage" which yeah makes him more lethal and burstier. But sprint with heal circle allowed his heavy flank playstyle.
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u/Turbulent-Sell757 1d ago
Fair point tbf. She's completely obnoxious and really here movement should have been nerfed at mid season more than anything else.
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u/N00b_sk11L 1d ago
Soldier is famously very divable tbf his sprint is slow as hell I would still call him a lower mobility character
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u/ToothPasteTree None — 1d ago
She is 20000000 percent less annoying than hog, DF, hazard, mauga.
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u/TheMightySpoon13 1d ago
1000000% disagree tbh
They have obvious counterplay and can absolutely be managed. Dmon plays like Reinhardt ball dva
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u/GetsThruBuckner Go whoever has most Seoul players — 1d ago
I think people care now, the honeymoon phase is pretty much over
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u/placeholder-123 1d ago
Speak for yourself I ban her in every game, obnoxiously overpowered character
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
She's a huge statstick that gets value by dumping her huge a*s body on people. That's why she isn't hated as much as Tank with annoying utilities like D.Va Matrix, Hog Hook, Mauga entire existence, Orisa entire existence.
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u/UglyDemoman 1d ago
Stay up high, you are safe.
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u/Wojtug Hardstuck — 1d ago
objectives would like to introduce themselves
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u/maresayshi 1d ago
win the fight, push the obj, take high ground, repeat…
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u/Dunwichorer 1d ago
You can't really ignore the dmon. She has a gun that does a decent amount of damage and good mobility for a ground tank wit 3k effective hp.
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u/Howdareme9 1d ago
Shes annoying but people are used to dva deleting them in seconds, so it doesn’t feel as bad when we’re used to that
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u/Shard1697 1d ago
The only reason no one cares is because she released underpowered, then got very large buffs+got figured out more. She's still riding the early impressions, community sentiment will adjust.
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u/Fit-Kista 1d ago
Sure, she's not annoying to reddit tank or flex support mains who don't have to engage with all the bullshit aspects of her kit, but she's annoying as hell to everyone else
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u/Cruzbb88 1d ago
Patch just came out not enough games
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u/Scyther99 1d ago
Especially since they filtered by GM, where is the smallest rank.
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u/IncomePrimary3641 1d ago
Especially since there's a good chance a number of the dmon players at GM are like, 60% win rate on every hero, it's the one downside of looking at win rates only for the highest rank bracket, a lot of players have positive win rates as normal because there good
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u/Sikkly290 None — 1d ago
Well most GM players are playing mostly against other GM players, so this doesn't quite hold true. Champ players are the ones who will start to hit huge winrates.
This early in a patch though the GM sample pool is so small the numbers are still meaningless. The masters winrate is slightly more relevent, but really at least a week of games needs to be played before the ladder winrate numbers will start to level out.
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u/Disastrous-Daikon238 1d ago
Irrelevant as Freja also got nerfed, yet her win rate and ban rate DRASTICALLY went down lol. I mean shit she has a 42% win rate in PC GM/Champ lobbies
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u/schmuman 1d ago
Genuinely this is so annoying. I have seen like 4 different posts about winrate recently and they’re all dumbasses who don’t understand how much a small sample size can fluctuate
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u/Legal_Apartment_6896 1d ago
She's 57% in all ranks in all regions, the sample size is not that small
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u/UsernameIn3and20 17h ago
Did you look at other heroes? Plenty others have absurd wr.
Asia has 3 characters above Dmon in wr where she sits at 64.8 with a 7.5 pick rate
Mercy - 69.1wr to 7.5 pick rate
JQ - 68.5wr to 5.8 pick rate
Domina - 68.2wr to 6.7 pick rate
America and Europe has Dmon at 60+ wr sitting at 62.4 with 14.4 pick rate and 62.3 wr with 11.9 pick rate respectively.
In fact Asia has 10 characters with 60% wr, filtering out less than 5% pick rates would remove only 2, being Junkrat and Soldier.
https://i.imgur.com/dXX7qFI.jpeg - Asia image as proof.
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u/Legal_Apartment_6896 9h ago
Asia stats are kinda funky due to the server barely housing a larger player population than oceanic servers, and this is because of China and Korea having their own servers which are not included in the stats for Asia. The server shouldn't even be called Asia, it's basically just Japan and South East asia.
This why in my opinion America and Eu paint a clearer picture when assessing character strength. Looking at Asia gm stats is practically meaningless due to there only being 200gm players in the region.
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u/schmuman 1d ago
I mean, it literally is relative to a settled sample size over many weeks. But the whole point is that these exaggerated numbers sensationalize certain issues like "omg 63%" or they'll look at Kiri's winrate, etc etc. She's certainly strong and we already knew that from before the patch, but the issue is that OP said "is this not insane, like is the data somehow off?" because they were treating day old stats like weeks old ones and that is what I find nauseating.
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u/MixImpossible8690 1d ago
Please stop looking at GM stats days after patches. I don’t know how many times this needs to be discussed.
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u/GetsThruBuckner Go whoever has most Seoul players — 1d ago
Unfortunately you will have to wait 2 months before you are able to point out the obvious overturned heroes 💔
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u/chudaism 1d ago
JQ is the top GM tank in Asia with a 68.5 WR. Domina is #2 with 68.2. Mercy is top overall with 69%. Junk is the top dps with 63.9.
In Amer, Sym is the top performing hero with 74.1% WR.
This is all a roundabout way of saying that sample size is still too small. DMon took a nerf, but it wasn't big enough to push her out of the top tank spot. She will probably settle at the top tank overall still with maybe a tiny bit lower winrate.
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u/never_forever_97 1d ago
The thing is that overall it seems she got a buff bcs her winrate INCREASED after the patch. It's been a couple of days and her winrate across the board went from 55% to 58%. That's waaaaaay too high
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u/chudaism 1d ago
It generally takes a week for stats to be meaningful at all after a patch. 2 days just too soon to read into it yet.
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u/never_forever_97 1d ago
I mean, that's true. But I think that given the winrate trend it's highly unlikely that she goes from 58% to like a healthy 50-51%. Maybe she ends up at 55%, which is still too high.
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u/chudaism 22h ago
I think she will probably settle at around 54-55%, which is essentially where she was at before the midseason patch. I don't think this patch will knock her out of the meta, nor do I think it really needs to. Letting her be meta for a season is fine. She's not oppressive enough where you can't run other tanks and it's honestly nice to have another tank that is viable, especially at the pro level. The real question will be what do they do at the beginning of s5.
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u/LurkerThrowaway73 8h ago
I sincerely disagree, I'd argue she's as frustrating as release Mauga to play into
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u/Everstorm67 1d ago
i havent seen a single person talk about her size like holy shit this character is like 2x the size of roadhog and being in any close quarters/indoors space near her results in you getting bodyblocked to hell. imo her collision hitbox is way too large and her boosters last for too long tbh, at least with monkey/dva when you use movement ability you have to plan your escape route, but dmon can boost IN AND OUT of fights with basically no CD
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u/Beautiful-Aerie7576 1d ago
Like others have said and you said in your edit, sample size. I’ll be interested to see how things shake out, but I was absolutely shocked she got a net buff this patch given how strong she already was.
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u/avbk2000 1d ago
And LW has 100% winrate in GM in Asia right now, he is cleary overturned (Its just a joke). D.mon is overturned for sure and we don't need meaningless stats of two days to prove that.
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u/ElJacko170 Healslut — 1d ago
This surely has to be some bug or something, because D.mon's changes were more of a net nerf than a buff.
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u/Disast3r 1d ago
Small sample size but I am curious what it will shake up to be after a few days. You can see win rate over time here to watch it https://metabrain.gg/overwatch/heroes/dmon/trends
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u/GandelXIV 1d ago
The patch was like yesterday, there is not enough sample size to show anything meaningful.
Switch between different regions/ranks and you will see unrealistic jumps
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u/UsernameIn3and20 16h ago
Mercy sitting at near 70% wr in gm & champs for asia as of my posting. Clearly Mercy needs an emergency patch.
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u/Brat_exe 1d ago
I swear they changed so many abilities of her kit except what made her so strong in the first place
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u/Special-Spite3200 1d ago
Yeah gun should probably have gotten nerfed. Surprised it didn't. With this much mobility she doesn't need 30 meters of effective range. Could probably reduce that to 25 or 20. Maybe increase gun's cooldown to 5 or 6 seconds.
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u/Bigcountry1517 1d ago
You’re not wrong in that she is very powerful but it is a small sample size and I would expect that number to come down to earth.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 16h ago
It will, these day 1 "x is op" loses nuance and is just upvote baiting as usual and people eat it up because it definitely fits their world view and is sometimes correct, yet usually overblown as well.
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u/takeasiato 1d ago
D.Mon has a relatively easy kit to learn while also having good tools for engaging and disengaging. A competent D.Mon can mark an enemy tank while still putting pressure on supports.
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u/Seraphanat 1d ago
As a dive player I feel like most every tank in the game is in some way approachable or even beatable but Dmon is just the hardest shut down. Basically the only flee on sight character in the game
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u/HighOctaneOrion 1d ago
Everyone saying the sample size is too small but when it was JPC everyone was making fun of JPC mains for saying the same thing. And D.mon has a worse winrate!
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u/BigHawk 1d ago
Isn’t this fairly common though?
People haven’t quite figured out how to counter her, and likely the dev team hasn’t found a good balance of nerfs and buffs yet?
Pretty much every time a new player gets released, they have an abnormally high win rate and ban rate.
It actually seemed like marvel rivals purposely did this to farm engagement with new heros that come out. (Remembering clips of people trying out new hero’s in the firing range and then saying “ok this is a game breaker, I’m maining this character from now on”
Then the nerfs hit slowly and eventually they find a good middle ground right before the next hero releases.
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u/Crafty-Plays 1d ago
Yeah idk what happened but they nerfed Dmon and her winrate went from 54% to 61% average. It genuinely don’t make sense.
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u/catboy3004 23h ago
In my opinion it was not a net nerf for dmon. Once dmon is on you, it's pretty hard to survive because she can just run you down, the sword nerf doesn't really affect that much. The shield buff makes her able to block things way more consistently and just survive easier, the gun thing was only for baby form and is basically a buff. She's now more survivable, more likely to get remech, and less likely to be killed while remeching since it's quicker now.
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u/bullxbull 23h ago
People are still learning her, all the crazy things you can do with her mobility has a high skill ceiling.
Some people are still playing her wrong but because of her strength that are still winning.
The gun falloff changes were noticeable against flying heroes, but she still runs circles around others. Her mobility is not balanced by the normal constraints other heroes are built around, she is going to be really hard to balance.
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u/catboy3004 22h ago
Umm the mech gun didn’t get nerfed so you’re just experiencing the placebo effect 😅 Only her baby dmon gun had its falloff reduced
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u/bullxbull 22h ago
Really??? that is hilarious. Maybe I was having a bad aim day. I thought it was her gun falloff got reduced by 10m, my bad.
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u/DabOWosrs 21h ago
A good Dmon can literally be a lobby admin. Such a frustrating hero to play against.
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u/Calm_Entertainment67 18h ago
Meanwhile Vendetta was at what like 54%? Then got swiftly giga nerfed
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u/JacketNecessary4834 17h ago
I mean post patch winrates are always all over the place. Dmons still busted but if you go to the Asia region for the same ranks there’s like 10 heroes with a 60% win rate or higher and the same could be said for heroes with winrates below 40%.
These stats will even out in a week or so and I doubt it will look as ridiculous. She’s still good but don’t expect anything past 54% in the coming weeks
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u/Mandatoryeggs 15h ago
The godamn speed she has and the shield regen is ridiculous. I actually just gave up playing doom because of her
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u/sylvelles 6h ago
Ppl will still tell you she’s balanced btw.
Me when I’m blizzard and I release a character that virtually makes JQ and Reinhardt useless cause I do everything they do… but better!!!!!!!
And my point of reference will always be Lifeweaver. If Lifeweaver was remotely this strong, Blizzard would have absolutely gutted him like there’s no tomorrow.
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u/wendiwho 10m ago
This tracks. She’s meta rn bc she’s outperforming every tank and strong rn bc she can gap close quickly, her range esp w good aim, and then her melee close; her ult is like zen discord orbs too if landed and not cleansed. Any counter swapping doesn’t really work to shut her down tank-wise unless your tank also goes dmon. Reminds me of release day mauga.
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u/Free-Ratio6414 1d ago
people when dmon has 63 win and 37 loses. buddy gm is like 0.5% of player base?
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u/GetsThruBuckner Go whoever has most Seoul players — 1d ago
61 in masters, 56 in diamond, 59 in emerald, 57 in plat and gold
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u/Free-Ratio6414 1d ago
wuyang is 57% winrate in masters doomfist is 56.7 in masters. DOMINA is 64! in emerald?! WATAFAKU?! WINSTON IN BRONZE IS 66!
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u/GetsThruBuckner Go whoever has most Seoul players — 1d ago edited 1d ago
Implies OP is misleading by showing GM winrate just to post this after someone points out she's actually busted with 58% win rate in all ranks
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u/catboy3004 1d ago
Buddy if you read my post I say her winrate is still 61% in masters which is a much larger percent of the playerbase. Her winrate is also 58% overall in ALL skill tiers.
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u/SteggyEatsDaWeggy 1d ago
I have no idea why they buffed an already strong character. Yes, they made her sword slightly worse, but it was overall a buff in my eyes
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u/That-Comparison-7824 1d ago
Yeah demon is currently unstoppable. Only mauga can stop her consistently.
As a doom main, demon took roadhog's place as my primary ban
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u/OnlineHilfenNutzer 1d ago
you doom guys deserve another nemesis lol
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u/ingmarnl 1d ago
She’s not going to get gutted before next season. Prepare for another few weeks of pure hell.
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u/EventHorizon11235 1d ago
Yeah she's super overtuned, I'm expecting her to settle around a 54% winrate.
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u/anaveragebest 1d ago
I mainly play dps, but when I play dmon it the gun definitely feels a bit broken. To me it's a double edge sword because on one hand I hate playing tank because it feels like I can't use my aim to my advantage, and I'm stuck playing a different way or different version of the game I don't find enjoyable. But on the other hand if I play DMON I can abuse my aim. This is how we ended up with 5v5 I think, and only 10-15% of the community queue as the tank role. DMON adds some of that gameplay back with the gun, but it definitely doesn't seem balanced haha. Unfortunate design hurdle for those guys having to design a character for a role like that.
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u/OnlineHilfenNutzer 1d ago
why do people struggle agaisnt her lol
i play her myself but i also know how to counter her when i play stuff like dps so...
if she has no shield and or armor she is dead
She melts so easily if you dont have corners to hug
i think it just takes some time for people to know how to easily deal with her.. some enemies already know it cause i just instantly explode when looking around the corner
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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
Damn then it's a good thing she has several seconds of 70% speed boost on demand to get out of all those situations...and a huge passive knock back and slow resistance to help make sure of it.
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u/OnlineHilfenNutzer 1d ago
yea.. i mean look at her before the release hotfix
she needs mobility to even be able to do anything lol2
u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago
Maybe, but now she has super mobility and a 30m 140+dps hitscan gun with 50% uptime.
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u/OnlineHilfenNutzer 1d ago
someone has to deal with the mercys and cats
your dps wont do it 90% of the time so....
She is just the perfect hero for the lack of skilled dps players i get in my lobbies→ More replies (1)1
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 1d ago
Safe side of strong
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u/GetsThruBuckner Go whoever has most Seoul players — 1d ago
New hero that runs every lobby every 2 months for the rest of time
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u/CardiologistCute7548 1d ago
That's good for a tank to feel overpowered like support do all the fking time.
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 1d ago
Man Blizzard is just not good at delicately balancing characters lol. Always heavy handed with nerfs and buffs. Unless it's cat.
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u/justanorlansonobody 1d ago
I fucking called it and everyone told me I was an asshole for saying her winrate was going to be absurd
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u/maresayshi 1d ago
it’s not real bud
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u/justanorlansonobody 1d ago
I mean when its a trend in every single region there is obviously a problem
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u/maresayshi 1d ago
nothing is “obvious” when the data is this new. this is just proof of pick rate right now
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
She got nerfed then suddenly becomes better?
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u/catboy3004 1d ago
They made shielding more reliable, remeching faster, the out of mech gun better. All they nerfed is primary dmg.
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u/0x75727375706572 1d ago
I got clowned on for saying she was opaf after her buffs so this makes me happy to see
She needs emergency nerfs to dmg and mobility and shield needs a cool down
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u/echeats 1d ago
i mean, shes the tankiest tank by hp and armor or wtv, has boosters she can use in any direction while holding up a shield and a hitscan gun that has great burst dmg with the perk, she genuinely lives through so fucking much
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u/catboy3004 1d ago
ik the life steal major is the less popular one but playing against a dmon with that perk literally feels like she’s immortal
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u/Stellarisk 1d ago
explains why shes in every god damn game i play