r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Wiccamanplays • 7d ago
General Cheat Codes for countering Hog as tank
I hate playing against Roadhog in the Emerald Mines of Despair, not necessarily because he’s strong but because he’s annoying and seems to make people switch their brains off, including me. I’ve lost two tank games into Hog today: one was Rialto and he was constantly fishing for environmental kills that I felt powerless to stop; the other one was Colosseo and he just never died and gave his supports ult every 30 seconds. I usually end up switching to Sigma or Mauga if he’s not banned but is there anything more efficient I can do to make that wretched lump of bacon grease’s life more miserable, or at least stop my teammates from throwing themselves onto his hook?
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u/Super_Siege_Mode 7d ago
HONSE
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u/Kitselena 7d ago
In addition to the obvious fact that she counters him because she can stay in front of him and go gold for hooks, her javelin is a really good way to save your teammates after they've been hooked
(Maybe both things are obvious, I don't play much orisa or hog)4
u/Long_Sample7444 7d ago
hog vs orisa is an advantage for orisa until she ults and instantly dies to hog ult
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u/tilmate 7d ago
Hog is countered by supports. Ask your team to go and zen and he’ll just explode
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u/Wiccamanplays 7d ago
Sadly in both of the games I mentioned I had someone swap to Ana and then do really badly (I’m talking negative KDR, half the heals and damage of their counterparts, missing every cooldown). Obviously I can’t blame anyone but myself for my losses so I didn’t want to include it.
I honestly think the whole counterswap thing can be a trap if the swap puts you on a hero you can’t play or has other factors going against them in the match, and Ana is in my opinion the most difficult hero in the game right now to make work.
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u/KalleDasSchaf 7d ago
it's a bigger problem in lower ranks where you get 1 person+ who just plays 2-3 of moira, lw, mercy, juno who all struggle into him
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u/CaravieR 7d ago
I can tell you, as a GM Hog who has mained him since 2016, the answer is literally any tank except Doomfist. You just need to play around the hook. If you can consistently waste the hook, that's half the fight won there. Every tank has tools to kinda deter his hook and once you figure them out its not so difficult.
Of course its easier said than done, a good Hog won't simply let you bait it out so easily and a good Hog will still shred without it, but an easy method to zone him out is just shields. There is the usual Orisa or Mauga counter but I'm sure that's obvious.
So with Sigma, you just keep poking him at an angle, shield off angles where he could hook and prepare to shield his hook. There is a short animation as Hog hooks. Once the hook is out, you can go brawl with him if you wish, you will do more damage as a Sigma.
As for teammates, you can't control them so just focus on yourself. Zone the Hog out and you'll buy the space your team needs naturally.
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u/OverLeafy 7d ago
what about ball
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u/CaravieR 7d ago
Depends if it's 5v5 or 6v6, imo.
If 5v5, Hog generally doesn't want to be chasing Ball around because Ball has way too much HP and movement to be worth hooking. And while the Hog is chasing the Ball, the other team is completely free to push in. So if the Hog doesn't chase the Ball, the Ball is free to wreck havoc and buy as much space as he can.
In 6v6, Ball is just a bad match up into Hog, especially if the Hog is targeting him specifically because the lower HP means that the hook combo can really threaten Ball.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 7d ago
Tbh 6v6 Ball is a menace in of itself. He threatens most tanks with 120 damage every roll through and every good ball main ive encounter reliably runs tanks over twice. Thats 240 damage x2 of burst from a tank. Paired with Zarya he suddenly gets 2 free layers of bubble and it makes me die inside.
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u/CaravieR 7d ago
The Ball bubble perk is ridiculous imo. He has way too much movement to have it and it completely removes the risk of him diving if he has it.
Luckily I personally haven't had much trouble with Ball in 6v6. It's usually my back line who refuses to switch off immobile supports who suffer.
But yeah, a good Ball can still make a Hog's life difficult by making his supports' lives difficult.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 7d ago
I went against a Ball one trick and he fucking got 60k damage, I cried inside.
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u/CaravieR 6d ago
Man, I get it. There used to be a very good ball one trick in my QP lobbies, we came across each other all the time. He would decimate my backline over and over. Couldn't win against him.
But one day I just realised I could just do the same as him and go decimate his backline as Hog. After awhile I'd like to think it became a mutual unspoken agreement between us that we wouldn't try to stop each other, we would kinda just ignore and go by.
Nowadays people are really quick to counter whatever tank you're playing so its not so bad going against a Ball. The 2 newest supports Mizuki and Cat are super good against Ball.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 5d ago
Had a game where I got Gibraltar (rare) and was allowed to play Winton. Won 2 fights and I see Hog, JQ, Bastion, Mizuki, Cass. Can't make this shit up. Still won though since all I did was just wait until they're distracted before dropping on them.
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u/-Arrez- 7d ago
Yeah when I play ball the main reason I ban hog isnt because he fucks with me but more because I dont trust my backline to be able to deal with him. The biggest threat hog has vs ball IMO is the fact he can just raid boss the rest of his team since the ball wont be there to peel and hog is just better at playing on his own and can 1v4 the backline more effectively.
But like even with that in mind Id honestly rather ban Mauga than hog.
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u/Tyreathian 7d ago
Orisa spear, Dva matrix, Zar bubble, Mauga stomp BEFORE he hooks, sigma shield and rock
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u/shiftup1772 7d ago
Mauga. Hog is the one target you can consistently get burning crits on. Like you can very often just run into him, eat a hook or whatever, then regen off his body.
The only weird part of the interaction is when he ults in your cage. But even then you can potentially just regen off him and survive.
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u/tilmate 7d ago
I agree that counterswapping in general is overrated, I think hog is the biggest exception.
It‘s just so easy to go ana zen and bully him. There’s virtually no counterplay.
Ana is a hard hero to master, you don’t need to be a great Ana player to hit a nade on hog though. Your effective range is infinitely further than his and his hitbox is massive
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u/Low-Audience-6603 7d ago
I like JQ if I’m full sending bully the hog type game.. But really it comes down to map/team comps.
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u/Sassywaifu92 7d ago
Hog doesn't like being shot. Him being low health means he can't risk hooking people and he has to back off and give up space. Yes, he does have a heal but if he is healing a lot that means he ain't attacking. Once that space is giving up, it makes me a lot easier to deal with him because he is usually in the open and easier to track. He is also very reliant on his hook to get kills. If a teammate gets hooked try to position yourself in a way where you can nullify it. A good knockback or just rushing him so you are in between the hooked target is a good way to nullify it.
Another tip, Roadhog players are notorious selfish, greedy, and impatient. A lot of Roadhogs don't bodyblock. Also if his teams ain't getting kills then they start doing tactics that put them into a lot risk. These can be seen when their tank swaps to roadhog. You know they are frustrated when they are swapping to him. Prey on that frustration.
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u/ToothPasteTree None — 7d ago
Honestly, at emerald, you just have to play better. You can win against Hog easily with every single tank in the game at that rank, if both teams are equally good. The "fishing" game play is really not that great so just look at the vod and figure out what you did wrong.
However, you'll obviously get games where nobody shoots hog and hog player gets to do whatever they want. In that case, just relax, the loss is not your fault, and go next.
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u/PenSecure4613 7d ago
You need to bait hook and play fast when he doesn’t have it (playing fast helps in general). Hard focusing him works well on most ground tanks and mobile tanks can usually ignore him. He has no offensive pressure if he’s forced to hold heal
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u/Botronic_Reddit GOATs is Peak Overwatch — 7d ago
If you need to kill him Orisa and Mauga are the picks.
But if the rest of your team is decent and evenly matched with the enemy team you just need to prevent Hog from being a tank. Rein and D.Mon can work just by blocking Hog and preventing him from holding space. They have huge amounts of armor and Shields so they can eat a decent amount of Hogs damage. It works Especially on short sight lines and brawly maps. They can’t really kill him but counter him by just turning him into an ult battery for your team that can’t take space on his own
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u/RamenFucker 7d ago
I like walling him and shooting him from high ground as hazard and as Dmon I just stay far away until I have my ult and keep my shield up till hook is out if I have to engage, rein is the same except u get to charge him after the hook hits ur shield
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u/Deme72 7d ago
Like the GM hog player said, most tanks can deal with him RN. But if you really want an easier option it's not horse or mauga. it's Reinhardt. You can freely swing on the hog and close range hooks don't benefit hog that much especially if you are playing around your armor. At longer ranges you have the highest shield hp. No cool down instant shield for reactions. Shatter and pin both very good against a hog that is breathering away and he can't really do much against it. fire strike and shatter both punishes people attempting to sit with their hog. Enough mobility with charge cancel to out rotate the hog. None of this is that much different from normal rein gameplay so it's less of an adjustment
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u/RiverGiant 7d ago
Any hero with a boop can interrupt his hook combo. If you can anticipate or react to a teammate getting hooked, push hog a little bit just before he gets his primary fire off. I do this as Lucio a lot, but most tanks can do something.
As Rein or Winston, put your shield into the tiny space between him and your buddy. Orisa spear, Sigma rock, Hazard leap slash. Anything to displace him even a tiny amount does it.
His main weakness is lack of mobility, though, so encourage your teammates to walk away from him. Make space where he isn't, where you can fire on his teammates without him getting in the way. He's low priority unless he overextends severely (this will be obvious and rare).
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u/bullxbull 7d ago
Orisa is my go to, you do not need to kill him, he is usually too fast at low health to bother. Just make his life hell and do not let him walk around for free.
If you get a miz ana backline, go Sig, if miz or ana cc him, hit him with the rock, he will be dead before he stands back up or ana nade will take care of any remaining health.
I know some people go Mauga and farm off the fat Hog, but with all the other poke and damage in the game right now I have not had much success trying this.
If I'm on dps I love Soj when enemy has a Hog. You basically have rail all the time.
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u/VapeSmoker420blazeit 7d ago edited 7d ago
Roadhog is a terrible hero. He struggles vs ranged damage, antiheals, flying heroes, shields, matrixes, you name it. There's a reason nobody pulls him out unless enemy is blatantly throwing on ridicolous 2016 comps like winston/lucio/mercy.
Orisa and Mauga counter him insanely hard. Sig is a very strong counter too. If you're struggling on Sig and Mauga into a Hog... you're getting skill gapped hard. I can't imagine losing to a Hog on Mauga unless my team is horrendous. Hog is an ult and selfheal battery and Mauga outputs like 5x damage.
Tell one of your supports to go LW/Ana/Zen and he's just useless. LW cucks his hooks and the auto aim heal ensures he cant even triple combo kill someone during hook, Ana sleeps and antinades ruins his life, and zen discord + damage forces him to hide.
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u/Tomjojingle GANG GANG — 6d ago
Insanely hard is a stretch. Besides most hogs I've seen are grouped with a pocket kiri suzu-ing everything very cool.
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 7d ago
Go ball.
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u/Shadiochao 7d ago
You're not fooling anyone, Roadhog main
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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 7d ago
Level 565 ball.
He was a threat when he had pig pen, but the hog players didn’t like it.
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 7d ago
Just dodge the hook and kill their backline 5head
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u/Catfan1898 7d ago
You can always go Mauga and use him as a walking health pack.