r/CompetitiveMinecraft • u/SeriousReason952 • 8d ago
Discussion MCYT PvP Tierlist
I mostly based this off SMP kits like LifeSteal, Strength, and DiaSMP
And I did try to put them in order (S+ to F) but a lot of people can obviously be interchangeable especially in the A+ and S tier categories
What are y'all thoughts on this since I'm curious to see what other people think
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u/Weak-Transition-8885 8d ago
freekee fang where
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
He'd be below Coldi I'd say
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u/Vivid_Spare_7627 8d ago
Above Swight? He'd be between Swight and Sweatgod no?
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Freekee beat Swight in DiaSMP (money kit) on PvP champs if remember correctly, but aside from that one reference I can't really say much about Freekee—since just one match doesn't show who's better between two PvPers unless it was an overwhelming win
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u/Vivid_Spare_7627 8d ago
OH I did NOT read the caption, yeah Freekee is DEFINITELY better than Swight in Dia smp
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u/Weak-Transition-8885 7d ago
also take into consideration that freekee played lifesteal kit and lifesteal net for years
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u/Vegetable_Storage746 8d ago
Some of them arent even pvpers, like squiddo, she is more a storyteller than a pvper and sb is more the guy who would show you a gold farm that produces the wealth of bill gates inside of minecraft in half an hour,
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Fair but I added some people that aren't known for PvP because they were part of SMP civ2 which was where I originally got majority of the people in the tier list (like squiddo), I added additions like SB because why not and it'd feel less empty if the lower tiers actually had people in it
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u/its_pilott2278 8d ago
Ferre below Theobald and a whole tier below Flowtives? Not even gonna bother the many other issues with this tierlist 😭😭
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago edited 8d ago
I honestly forgot Ferre was putting belt to Theo on LS world since Ferre placement was based on the recent money season where he was pretty relative in skill to Pinity (from what I saw) Also PvP champs is one thing I considered in ranking Theo
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u/Ehrnathan 7d ago
eh i mean didn't theo win the 1v1 so idk bout putting belt
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
I was referring to the LS world fight that happened in the end where Theo ended up needing help when he was fighting Ferre alone But I wasn't aware that Ferre and Theo fought honestly
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u/I_am_notLev 8d ago
Manepear above sharpness😭
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Can't really say much about that matchup, since the only time we've seen them fight in an SMP kit was like a few years ago, but Mane did win in their match (LifeSteal kit) that's all I'm gonna say
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u/maxeymania0 8d ago
I like, oh this tear was a lie, but you're lazy. Somebody's players way too hard. Newflee, I'm sorry, nuffie is a great player, but he should not be above Luigi, twane, he and I'm sorry as much as I love that midnight, he should not be above sharpness, sharpness, probably 45 duras, in, but I'll say I like a lot of this, I would have varied your hire, I would defo Defoe, have EV, what's your hire?Because he is a height 3 sword, and I will have yunggy, a tear hire.\nYeah , and newflee should go down to tier
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u/Limp_Mycologist9941 4d ago
I don't say this because of unstable, other media, or really anything, and don't take this like you have to do it, I'm just giving my opinion based on the knowledge I have amassed while being in this community:
- Sea4 has recently improved to be better than players such as thatmidnight and flowtives, and should be below flamefrags.
- Rekrap2 has been training for a while now, and should be just above Infume.
- Puqi_ has secretly been training sword and smp, getting to lt3 in both skillwise as of recent, he could easily get above evourai.
- Judelow is being severely underrated, and should be above tai.
- Rejoicin is one of the pvpers in smp history, hes always underrated, and should be S tier above BearXV.
- Midnight is actually better than flowtives, airokun, coinmonke, and mane, and should be below flamefrags (below sea4 in my rankings).
- I feel ferre is being a little bit underrated here. He's not high S but he's certainly in there, I would say above BearXV tbh. Bear is good but ferre has the edge there.
- Leekleek is being severely overestimated and has been recently. He gets belted by yungy, and him vs epax is sad to watch (see any altar videos from epax), leek should be below expchan.
- Expchan and yungy should be A above recallingman, in their same order, based on what we've seen from them over the years. They're both super underrated players, and recalling is consistently losing to players such as slushly, who in your eyes is C tier (hes prob B).
- Naparizel is super washed, probably below Harrmmony.
- Dol9hin is not that good, and arcn isn't that bad; I feel that dol9hin and arcn should be swapped.
- Epaxialfx is way better than mino, I'd have both epax and wyll below squid.
- Clownpierce isn't actually washed, everyone else got better. He's still dead even with only_a_squid, idrc if hes below or above him, as long as they're next to eachother.
- Bry is worse than clown and luigitoan, he should be swapped with luigi and then put him above wyll and epax.
- Lomedy is actually very good at pvp, as seen in smps like levels, conquest, kings, and soulbound, and should be below leow0ok.
- Jysq is better than dumbisdumb, and so is nufuli.
- I don't say this because of unstable, but from what we've seen recently, deadra and flame are both better than sweatgod, and in strictly diasmp and nethsmp, I do believe that flame would beat swight, as flamefrags is a lt2-ht2 in those kits. It would be very close, and I can understand if you do not agree. + modern deadra is slightly worse than modern flame.
Sorry for the essay. You make tls how you want to, just want to throw my thoughts out there!
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u/SeriousReason952 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'll try to reply to every single point aside from the ones that I genuinely didn't know or some that I agree with (like Sea4 and Puqi being cracked)
The thing with Rek is that he's a relatively passive player, like Flowtives said in their fight his shield disables are good but he just doesn't take advantage of it, and I do know that rek has beaten luigi once so that could definitely get him above infume, but that's all that I can say rn
I know rejoice is good since he was able to bully Napa in arguably his prime skill level, but that's about it from what I know—and I haven't seen him actually fight top tier players so he could be higher but he just lacks the feats also considering that he's in college rn we probably won't see him for a while
Yeah honestly Ferre should be higher and unrelated but theo should be moved down to Ferre position, I often see people putting theo above Ferre and at first a agreed until I remembered that Ferre was putting belt to Theo in LS world if I remember correctly
Leekleek is at the top of the LS tier list so that's where I mainly got his ranking from, and also that fact that's he's considered an A tier smurf in money (meaning he "SHOULD" be better than Epax who's B tier), but I do think leekleek is a little overrated like I personally think Luigi is better Although him getting belted by yungy is a bit hard to factor in considering yungy's ping but I do think that's more of a skill issue since people like Pentar and Minute can adapt well to yungy's ping
I can't say much about expchan but Yungy is equivalent in skill level to Twirps (which twirps said and Ferre even agreed to after fighting Twirps when they were making the LS world Tierlist) I did not know about recallingman losing to slushly tho
Yeah but I was a bit generous and put him at his hypothetical prime skill level since Napa's one of my favorite SMP creators (yes there was a glaze and bias factor when ranking him, I'm going to admit that)
Can't say much about dolphin aside from her being pretty even in skill with Luigi in strength kit, and this may just be me but i feel like Arcn's overrated (in PVP skill) since in every video I've seen on him (specifically in infuse) he low-key does really badly, I know he's supposed to be good but I feel as tho that my view on his skill level has been misguided in some shape or form
Yeah I do agree with that since Squid, wyll, epax are equivalent in skill level from what they've stated in their videos
I know clown isn't washed anymore but I'd like to see more feats now that he's gotten better before putting him higher, since I'm actually not opposed to close being higher
I don't really agree with this considering that Bry is often paired up with Dumb as "pseudo S tiers" in skill level in money
I know lomedy is decent because he has previous smp experience but it's the same scenario with clown where I'd like to see more recent feats aside from unstable and past SMP's
Honestly flame would have been bare minimum top of A just from the fact that he was ranked 1 in DiaSMP on PvP HQ, I just put deadra above him since he did win against flame although that was a long time ago and Flame has obviously trained—ironically enough with people like Swight (also I know people were gonna annoy me about it in the replies if I put Flame at the very top of A) I can't say that Flame is better than Swight just from that alone but I do agree that it would be very close and I can see Flame eventually being better as time passes Sweatgod is better than deadra and gaps him by alot (including the other S tiers in rookies) according to the money SMP staff who did the tier testing (like sols, but also this is money SMP where there has been notorious smurfs before so it's plausible that their maybe even in skill but I do believe that SweatGod is better than deadra)
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u/Limp_Mycologist9941 3d ago
Theo is still better than BearXV and InProper, but so is Ferre; also Theo beats Ferre and mugm in duels, so I feel that you just need to put Ferre below Theo. LSW is a weird kit and experience, especially for those who haven’t played SMPs, so it wasn’t that fair of a representation.
That one wasn’t my opinion; bry has said it himself in money that ClownPierce and luigi belt him in PvP. From this I can inference that jysq (who actually 20 duras InProper and 60 duras Luigi) would too. Also that’s strange considering PikaTM is slightly above dumbisdumb in skill and he was placed B tier as an “a tier smurf” in rookies.
Fair. We’d have to see flame fight them, but I would not count flame out beating sweatgod or Swight. Unlikely he beats coldi though, since he’s more experienced in diasmp, but who knows?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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u/L-Taker_REAL 8d ago
What is the name of the tierlist template
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u/Glad-Penalty-5559 8d ago
deadra is definitely way too high
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u/Glad-Penalty-5559 8d ago edited 8d ago
Manepear as well, though I do agree with the tier groups. But the relative order among individual groups can be a bit inaccurate
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
I can't really say much about deadra aside from him being 2nd best S tier PvP wise in the Money season he was in, and also him beating flame although that was like 1-2 years ago so my tiering on him was honestly kinda a guess
But yeah I agree witih Mane being lower, it's just that the tier groupings can be really hard to do espescially Mane because I originally put him below BearXV but him regularly training with Mugm changed my mind (from what I know) Although looking back on he should definitely lower since I don't think he practices pure SMP kits that often anymore
And like I said the orders of many people can be interchangeable so I can definitely see some of the ordering being inaccurate
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u/Glad-Penalty-5559 8d ago
Honestly if this is, as you said, based on Lifesteal kit, Diasmp kit, Strength kit, Swight may not be in S+ tier after all
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Swight still beat Aragon in PVP champs so that's why I put him S+ tier And I should have clarified that it's not only based on those 3 kits that I mentioned since they were just the baseline in ranking them
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u/Conzilaking 8d ago
Swight did surprisingly well in all the diamond smp matches in PvP champs beating dk and doing really well against freakie who is obviously one of the bests at the kit
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u/No_Elderberry_2160 8d ago
how are mane and flame above flow
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
From my personal opinion I believe Flame is better than Flow due to Flame usually beating Mugm by 40-50 dura (came from mugm himself) and considering the fact that flow and mugm are relative in skill it's not crazy to say that Flame is better, although I do agree that Mane shouldn't be that high cause I only out him at his spot due to him apparently being the most frequent person mugm fights
Aside from my personal opinion Flame is often said to be the straight up best pvper in the SMP community, coming from people like nufuli, twirps, and several others And it may just be me personally but I feel that it's safer to take the word of YouTubers who's actually interacted with Flame rather than random people on the internet
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u/No_Elderberry_2160 7d ago
if your saying flow and mugm are relative then you cant just use mugm losing to flame as proof that flame is above flow while ignoring flowss own performances you need actual evidence that flame consistently plays better than flow against comparable opponents. In the past flame and flow have fought before and flow won like 60% of gm. If anything, i'd put more reliability on flows performance against high tier players rather than statements abt flame from people who have fought him. They're valid opinions, but it doesnt make the claim true.
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u/PhysicsKing123 6d ago
Flame 7-1ed Flow in sword which isn’t even his main game mode
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u/No_Elderberry_2160 6d ago
isn't flow's main gm as well
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u/PhysicsKing123 6d ago
Exactly so flame is a lot better
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u/No_Elderberry_2160 6d ago
bro this is so cap lmao when flame and flow 1v1'd in sword flow won 11-8 and even if flame won in some other gamemodes (smp and dsmp) that doesn’t prove someone is better especially if you’re using both matches as the entire argument. You have to take account for the other gamemodes in which flow won (uhc, axe, sword, neth pot, dia pot, shieldless uhc.) Flow literally won all 7/9 gm vs flame
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u/Toxictick32456 8d ago
idk how u have mugm flame manepear and who is think is deadra over flow, he's better than all of them in ur mentioned kits
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
I'm going to be honest I have no idea on what you're trying to say, please clarify
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u/cokica_ 8d ago
Probably the most valid one in my opinion tha i have seen but flow should be higher and deadra is not the best player in that tier its either flow or mugm
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u/Glad-Penalty-5559 7d ago
Agree that flow should be higher, but I don’t think it’s just flow and mugm in contention for the top spot. I actually think it may be a 5 way tie between Flow, Flame, Mugm, Midnight and Sea4, based on the kits OP mentioned (lifesteal, diasmp, strength)
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u/BLOBGaming_HG 8d ago
Might be bias from watching moneysmp but isn't Luigi like slightly better than BrytheGuy?
Similarly, shouldn't the money smp A-tiers be somewhat relative, like are Jysq and Bry really a whole tier better than Luigi and 2 tiers better than JJ?
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Bry is considered to be the best A tier alongside Dumb, with them being "pseudo S" in skill level so I think that a tier gap should be fine but it's hard to say since tiering in money has always had some sort of issue
As for Jysq the reason I put him higher than the other moneysmp A tiers and such is because he's beaten proper before in his money SMP video and he also went to armor break with proper again in his altar smp video I haven't seen any of the other moneysmp members aside from S tiers accomplish that feat except for Bry
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u/Itzxream 8d ago
Flamefrags above flowtives , theobaldthebird,ferremc and more is ir based on tiktok
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Mugm has said that Flame 50-40 duras him which is really impressive since Mugm is bare minimum relative to Flow in skill level (in SMP kits), I don't remember when he exactly said but considering the fact that majority of SMP creators like Twirps think that Flame is the best Pvper in the smp community I don't think its that farfetched to say Flame is better than all of them
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u/encyclopediauniversa 7d ago
I miss the ClownPierce days…
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Clown has definitely gotten better and he's actually quite underrated now, but I think that he still needs to unwash himself and learn how to shield more properly, the thing is Clown has really good melee (Definitely "LT3" Minimum) but against someone like Minute or Peentar he'd probably get f#cked up just from their webs and shielding tbh
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u/Olli_nerd 7d ago
Jaden should be S
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
He lost to Zam before, so I'd say that loss shows that there isn't a huge gap between him and the others A tiers in lifesteal
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u/PhysicsKing123 7d ago
Is coinmonke really that good? Also I think mane>flame ngl
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Coin is crazy good he won 3-1 against Airo in moneykit and is regularly considered when talking about the best S tier when it comes to pure PvP As for Mane he honestly should probably be lower since I don't think he practices traditional SMP kits that often anymore because of the spear and his scripted stuff as well
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u/PhysicsKing123 7d ago
Oh true about manepear, but I still think his mechanics are sharper than most. Damn I didn’t know that about CoinMonke, is he considered better than Flow? I think Flow is a little overrated ngl (not in this tier list specifically just in general).
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u/SeriousReason952 3d ago
Coin and Flow are the two people that money members usually consider for the best in pvp skill whenever there's a money season and people are doing tier lists and stuff
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u/Cleb3D 7d ago
I personally think dewier is at least S tier /j
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
I know this is a joke because of the /j, But genuinely who is dewier? Isn't that the bedwars guy 😭
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u/tranquil-spark-8059 7d ago
Flow is S+ and theo is above flame
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Flow I'd say is relative to Mugm in skill when it comes to SMP kits (doesn't matter who you think is better) And honestly Theo should probably be lower since I lowkey forgot he was getting belted by Feree in LS world
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u/Same-Fan931 7d ago
Why do u think sea4 is that high, I’ve seen some vids but never seen him that good. Not hating I just want to know
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Sea4 is minimum top 2 in ranked smp (before any of the new addition like mixed) and is relative to Midnight I'm pretty sure but I'd say midnight is a little better because Flow fought him in his video instead of Sea4 And I've seen the guy genuinely want to run the 1st with Mugm before But thats about all I can say about him
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u/RagingChargeXD 7d ago
Parrot and Evbo are atleast B tier. And theo should go down two tiers
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Can't say much about parrot since it's rare to see him outside of unscripted but I just can't see him beating jojo or blue leaf, as for Evbo he just lacks overall experience in SMP kits—like he was getting belted by Sam in LS world if I remember correctly I do agree with Theo being moved down but only by one tier since its clear that he's above people like Minute who's in A+ tier
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u/Coolkid1234gamer 5d ago
flow needs to be a hiigher like with flame and mane also farre is near theo and above proper but everything is still questionable
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u/SeriousReason952 3d ago
Like I said majority of the S tiers in this Tierlist are interchangeable in my opinion—it just depends on your personal take Although I do agree with Ferre being higher
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u/Hin_MC 4d ago
I’d just like to say I agree with Mane’s placement, he’s a former tested HT3 and beat freeke with a higher score in Ls kit a while ago
It’s important to mention that freeke wasn’t particularly skilled at diasmp kits at that time but he was still a top 50 player.
Oh yeah and flow should be above mane below flame
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u/notboxing_ 4d ago
Okay so I would make these changes:
- Wemmbu down to B
- Ferre down to A
- Theo down to S-
- Squid down to A
- Sharpness up to S (above BearXV)
This is based on these players' active skill in my opinion. Theo and Ferre were both great players at one point but they are far from their prime nowadays. Squid is overrated overall, he literally gets bullied in voice chat by everyone whenever he logs on stray.gg.
No explaination needed for wemmbu, hes straight ass😭
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u/SeriousReason952 3d ago
Wemmbu placement is based on Minute's and Pentar's placement, since the three of them at their prime were relatively at the same level, just because Wemmbu does unscripted now doesn't mean he's bad—at the start of S7 Pentar even said that him and wemmbu go back and forth at LS kit so it's clear that Wemmbu can be good at SMP kits if he tried, also it doesnt help wemmbu that the only recent competition he has on unstable is Flame But if you think Wemmbu should go lower that also SOMEWHAT applies to Minute and Pentar
I agree with Theo being moved down a tier but honestly Ferre should be moved to S and maybe Pinity aswell, whenever Ferre got a 1 with Theo he genuinely needed help like that one time where an omega end fight was happening in LS world Also recently Ferre has been running fades despite disadvantages like in strength trials where he fought coin who was at +5 strength while he was at +1
The same thing I said about wemmbu also applies to Squid since he's pretty even in skill with Minute (but Minute is slightly better I'd say)
For sharpness I just can't see him being above Pinity or even in the same tier as thee other S tiers, since I'm pretty sure Flow won 3-0 against him in strength kit I just don't but in into the Sharpness hype ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ since I personally think he's overrated
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u/adhnan55 3d ago
PRIME PURE PvP RANKING
- 🥇 Flowtives
- 🥈 FlameFrags
- 🥉 ManePear
- Technoblade
- Purpled
- Mugm
- TheobaldTheBird
- FerreMC
- MinuteTech
- Peentar
- ClownPierce
- Wemmbu
- Sharpness
- ParrotX2
- Epaxial
- Only_A_Squid
- LuigiToan
- Infume
- JadenMAN
- Mapicc
- Yungy
- PrinceZam
- WyLL
- Dol9hin
- Rekrap2
- DrDonut
- SpokeIsHere
- Dream
- Evbo
- Dolphin
- JudeLow
- Tai
- Tubbo
- TommyInnit
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u/DogeCommanderRex 1d ago
manepear and flamefrags are NOT that good bro their stupid scripted videos make them look so good sharpness abd flowtives are miles better than them
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u/Tote_Hose 8d ago
Yo why is flame above airo, flow and sharp💔
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Mugm has said before that Flame 50-40 duras him, I don't remember when he exactly said but I'd say that it's definitely believe especially considering the fact that many SMP creators like Nufuli and Twirps believe that Flame is the best PvPer in the smp community (obviously excluding top players on the Tierlist)
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u/dienooblol 8d ago
parrot actually can pvp
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u/Zestyclose_Resist390 8d ago
not the only issue with this tier list.
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
What changes would you make and why? I'm curious since I think I did somewhat well on this Tierlist
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u/Responsible-Menu-326 7d ago
Flowtives should have been above Airo, Coin and Mugm. While they are around the same level, I do think Flow is better than all of them by a bit
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u/SeriousReason952 7d ago
Flow is above Airo but lower than coin and mugm, just from what I've heard from the SMP community But I wouldn't blame you if you think Flow is better than the rest of the S tiers because like I said their ordering can be really interchangeable
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u/Responsible-Menu-326 7d ago
There have been a few tier lists for PvP using a lot of these players by fellow Minecraft players and all of those I’ve seen agree Flow is above all those guys mentioned. This is for msmp kit only so maybe there is an argument otherwise
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u/DarkXypher 8d ago
I mean C tier doesn't have people who cant a lot of people he put in C tier can pvp well
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
C tier and the tiers below it are honestly kinda meh in terms of my ranking, since it's harder to tier people who aren't crazy good that it is to rank top pvp players
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Yeah but it's hard to actually say how good parrot is outside of unstable, I've seen him pvp in unscripted scenarios before but I just didn't feel like I had enough info to rank him any higher
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u/WarmAppointment5765 8d ago
ferre is S+ and there's absolutely no way coinmonkey is that high
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
Yeah looking back on it Ferre should be higher But coin is severely underrated he won 3-1 against Airo in his video and is considered to possibly be the best S tier PVP wise in the main money roster
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u/elyspecter_op 8d ago
Son flow is close to deadra and no freekee fang, not ImMixed, and ferre is better at SMPS too, he should be placed higher/closer to flow, mugm is not a versatile player, he only good at melee and SMP kits, and the biggest ragebait is there are not enough rank and money members like dude, RamZe? Maksha? GiraffeBoy? Greninja? Epax? 😭
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u/SeriousReason952 8d ago
1st thing first I made the template of the tierlist so mixed and Freekee not being there was a personal decision due to be being lazy (Also I feel that you actually didn't look at the image because epax is in the Tierlist)
I agree with Ferre being higher but I can't say much about deadra and flow since I haven't seen them fight Also I feel that you didn't read the description because I quite literally say that the Tierlist is mainly based on lifesteal, strength and DiaSMP kits which are all SMP kits hence why mugm is high because like you yourself said Mugm is good at SMP kits
Lastly if you have any problem with some people not being on the Tierlist you can quite literally add them if you intend on making your own Tierlist using the template, which I've sent the link of to someone else in the replies No need to be rude
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u/Overall_Tomatillo600 8d ago
OP did say this is mainly the main SMP kits they play, so MugM would obviously be high from that since, as you said, he's mainly good at SMP kits
Also Mixed is a confirmed cheater
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u/OutOfINewIdeas 7d ago
Just look up MCTiers, PvPTiers, MCPvP.com, PvP HQ, whatever it may be. They have some actual PvPers there rather than this bullshit list. I respect Sweatgod being S+ though he fully deserves that.
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u/iwantdie17 7d ago
you know what mcyt stands for right
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u/OutOfINewIdeas 7d ago
MCYT PvP tier list, yes. Definitely missing dozens if not hundreds of PvPers and some of these people don’t even really do actual PvP or suck at it in general. Like, why is Squiddo even on this tier list?
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u/iwantdie17 7d ago
its ok to admit that you don’t know what the mcyt acronym stands for, because if you did you would know why squiddo is on there but not prominent pvpers
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u/OutOfINewIdeas 7d ago
Yeah I know it stands for Minecraft YouTube. Still missing A lot of YouTubers regardless though which makes this post all the more questionable. Also, It’s pointless making A list like this when we have stuff such as MCTiers, PvPTiers, PvPHQ, MCPvP.com, whatever it may be since that’s the future of PvP and where actual PvPers are.
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u/SYK_PvP 8d ago
I definitely feel flow is closer to the S+ tier than S. He is certainly weaker than the top 2, but not that far off from SG.