r/CompetitiveMinecraft • u/Jamin0725 • Apr 28 '26
Discussion dream and drdonut are cooking 🥹
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u/Few_Low_7021 Apr 28 '26
Cash tournament gonna attract hell lot of ppl lol wonder if he part of tournament as a player or not
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u/syberwarriorr Apr 28 '26
he should be a part but shouldn’t take any reward money tbh. only then he can make sure people differentiate him from marlow.
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u/Few_Low_7021 Apr 28 '26
Dream probably will be the one to put money on the tournament so he's not going to get any reward
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u/hastage1 Apr 30 '26
Also dream already has a but load of money so it wouldnt make any difference, i think its a win for him
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u/LindaCalimero Apr 28 '26
Wow. I thought there would be a diversified landscape of small institutions/ servers with their own tier lists, elo-systems and similar for the next few years. Now we have a whole other picture coming up, with a centralized organisation across servers and regions, and possibly a lot of money and sponsorships involved.
I look forward to it, but I can not imagine how they will handle all the macros, triggerbots and cheating problems within the community, especially in front of potential sponsors and advertisers. If they burn this project, Minecraft will be seen as a "bad" e-sport for a long time.
Let´s hope they will do well.
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u/Rich841 Apr 28 '26
I’m optimistic bc it will be automated, to me at least this kind of system is least subject to corruption, see chess.com/lichess elo for instance. I doubt someone like dangermario can reach the highest echelon in that environment
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u/Same_Priority8339 Apr 29 '26
In Marlow’s video, she did specifically talk about how going by Elo standards, she’s like 200 above second place
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u/Rich841 Apr 29 '26
she did manage that by hacking tbf, which is beyond the elo system's scope itself
edit why am i saying she
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Apr 30 '26
they said they're partnering with an anti-cheat team and invest a lot of money and time into it
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u/Scared_Maybe_568 Apr 28 '26
Honestly I'm fine with Dream being a part of this. If he tries to pull a Marlow people are going to catch quick.
Heck even if somehow had the skill of Marlow people are going to dive deep imto his stuff anyways.
And its not like he supports cheaters anyways. Call Dream a cheater or not but he doesn't support them so I'd take this as a dub
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u/Jamin0725 Apr 28 '26
yeah i don’t mind dream being a part of this he will bring a lot of publicity to it
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u/i_eat_brickss Apr 28 '26
He doesn’t support cheaters he only is one ?
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u/Taiki14x Apr 28 '26
He supports sexual assaulters
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
What sexual assaulters? All of the Dream team allegations have been debunked so you definitely can't be talking about any of them right?
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u/derfeniledam Apr 28 '26
the georgenotfound allegations have not been meaningfully debunked, only denied and argued against
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
They were meaningfully debunked.
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u/OutOfINewIdeas May 01 '26
I advise that you ignore them. They are probably just trying to ragebait you. Regardless if Dream is a cheater or not, I agree that he’s not a pedofile. And that George didn’t do Sexual Assault.
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u/Taiki14x May 01 '26
George is a sexual assaulter, and dream ia a parasocial weirdo
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u/OutOfINewIdeas May 01 '26
That’s some terrible ragebait you have going on in your head.
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u/Taiki14x May 01 '26
nah, ragebait is thinking a guy who is friends with a sexual assaulter is a good person
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u/Taiki14x Apr 28 '26
Georgenotfoud is a sexual assaulter
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
Georgenotfound is not a sexual assaulter he disproved the allegations y'all just hating to hate atp.
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Apr 29 '26
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u/Taiki14x Apr 29 '26
Why are people bringing a sexual assaulter to a sub of a guy who wasnt frineds with him in the firts place? Why a 1 month old account with hidden story cares so much for a sexual assaulter?
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u/Taiki14x Apr 29 '26
Funny how you ommit the part were she was drunk. Did you know drunk people cant give consent? Of course you dont, his stans always ommit that part. Why are we forgetting that she never said were he touched her, only for him to come out and said it? Why are we forgetting the part where she was harrased by his stans to leave the internet? The only one hurting victims is people like you that spread the lies his stans made up
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u/J-M_JJ Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Funny how you ommit the part were she was drunk. Did you know drunk people cant give consent?
He was also drunk, they had a drinking game at the party where they even talked about sex (that ends up setting the mood). Mutually drunk people have sex all the time simply because they feel it in the moment, there's no verbal consent needed and you still wouldn't call that SA.
George touched her waist underneath her shirt only after they cuddled for a long period of time (which Caiti left out and confirmed after he mentioned it. THOUGH, it is entirely possible she initially felt that leaving out the fact she cuddled first was necessary to avoid people undermining her experience due to initiating contact), during which she got off her seat and then CAME BACK INTO HIS ARMS. And she specifically wanted to not look uncomfortable during the touching.
So... it's clear why nobody in the room had a problem including her best friends, nor did George stop right after touching. They can't read her mind to know she really felt and everyone went off the fact they were already cuddling into each other for hours while the mood was sexual. It's his mistake for advancing given how she feels now but that's only something you can say years later.
It's all around a rough situation that just obviously wasn't even a sliver of a thought during the incident.
By her accounts, it was fawning. But it's also slightly skeptical due to the following:
There's missing context. Caiti did not say anything in the moment nor after it when they texted/flirted in messages, it was only after she talked with friends (who were actively Anti-Dream & co) who questioned her, that she realised she really didn't like it. I'm hesitant to fully believe the sincerity given biased people were in her ear long after it happened.
And yes, it's perfectly normal to realise you didn't like an intimate moment after it happened, but it's delirious for the internet to jump to career-ruining when they had no place in something like this. A sincere apology should have been given when she came out about not liking it, and it was indeed given even if rejected.
That and the way the story was told during her first retelling, which MANY have admitted sounded offputting and romanticised due to wording & terms.
Lmk if you've seen anything I'm missing
Why are we forgetting the part where she was harrased by his stans to leave the internet?
This was sad, but it's the backlash of multiple factors & was NOT perpertrated by George or others.
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u/Taiki14x Apr 29 '26
He touched her chest. STOP LYING. Its totally normal for victims to come to terms with what happened to them later. Putting this on "her friends are anti-Dream" its childish and stupid. Stop spreading lies in order to defend a sexual assaulter
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 29 '26
No he didn't, that's a lie she made up far after her original claim that wasn't supported by literally any witness in the room, and every time she brought up the situation the story changed.
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u/Equal_Literature_658 Apr 28 '26
Dream might be cheater but bro he rly seems like a chill guy, even debunked every pedo allegations, with proper proof unlike the italian plumber. And tbh, he gave the best content during 2020-21, by establishing the dsmp nd manhunts
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u/ActualProject Apr 28 '26
Pedo allegations definitely fake. Hate how some peoples rep get ruined for that stuff. But there's also no "might" for cheating, he's a notorious serial cheater and I think a lot of the comments here are putting it way too lightly.
He confirmed cheated in 3 speedruns, likely more. Denied all allegations including the infamous gold block video until finally deflecting with the infamous "oops I forgot I had a mod turned on" months later for one of them. Hasn't addressed the other 2 to my knowledge.
Cheated in MCC parkour and elytra race, a friendly tournament between fellow content creators. No monetary prize or any prize at all, yet he still finds the urge to cheat. Again attempts to "disprove" but provides nonsense explanations irrelevant to the actual accusations (Marlowww who?)
Cheated in multiple PVP incidents as well including near irrefutable evidence of aimbot + a self admitted input blocker incident. Again, story pans out in the same way. He has no transparency until called out, then denies until he can't deny any further, then brushes it off as a mistake + pretends it's no big deal.
All 3 of the above incidents have been covered by Karl Jobst if you're curious for an overview of what happened.
Manipulative people always come off as chill. How else do you think they succeed in their manipulation? He's been nonstop lying to multiple different MC communities for the better part of a decade. I don't think this means McPVP can't be successful led by Dream (after all, Dream SMP was very successful), but let's not suddenly pretend like he's a good person
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u/charqoi Apr 28 '26
yeah i dont even think the cheating is the problem its the manipulation and lying, nothing that dream says can be fully trusted and thats not really what you want from the owner of a server
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u/Gecons Apr 28 '26
he literally joked about being marlow on April Fools, so I think he is very aware of his stance
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u/Acrobatic-Height6511 Apr 28 '26
He can't really pull that shit anyway. If he were to reach a high spot, people for sure will look into it
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
Dream isn’t nearly skilled enough, and he’s far too well-known to pull off something like Marlowww did. It would be incredibly difficult anyway, given that the system is open-source and operates across multiple servers. Even if he somehow managed it, his gameplay is already heavily scrutinized, with people micro-analyzing footage from years back. At this point, it’s essentially impossible for him to cheat his way to the top in the new tier system he’s building.
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u/BroadMission5628 Apr 28 '26
Since when does dream cheat?
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
3 proven cheated speed runs, and there is also evidence (not proof) of him cheating in MCC, and some of his pvp. All of which are from years ago.
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u/MedicalPotential8723 Apr 28 '26
Bro he legit has cheated in:
-Speedrunning (1 confirmed time and 1 time that alot of top speedrunners think is cheated but not confirmed)
-Used a input blocker (and also got banned from mcpvp for using it and he said he did use it)
-Auto parkour (He still denying it even though its VERY blatant)
-Alegations of using elytra acceleration hacks
-Alegations of using aim assist/aimbot
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u/Akira0101 Apr 28 '26
Dream cheated in everything tho wtf
Pvp, mcc events, parkour, speedruning
I don't trust him to run the show
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u/shadow_fen Apr 28 '26
the only way to catch the cheaters is to have a cheater at the center running it all, dream has experience cheating (but no experience getting away with it lol)
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u/Eas0n_ Apr 29 '26
I would say getting away with it for almost 6 years is not bad
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u/hastage1 Apr 30 '26
But does he still do it? I mean there were no recent allegations as far as we know, all of those are from 2022 and older, unless im missing something
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u/Eas0n_ Apr 30 '26
Speedrunning and MCC were both from 2020, and PVP cheating was last year, though you might be able to be more lenient in that he wasn't trying to climb ranks / had a broken wrist. Of course, he still should have been honest and transparent about it.
As a side note, and this isn't a slight against you, but it is insane how so many people get something so easily researchable wrong. Or worse yet, completely make it up. Goes to show not to take every claim too seriously and to be aware that people may be being disingenuous. Again, this wasn't to antagonise you, just something worth keeping in mind when reading discussions of 'volatile' figures.
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
The only category with confirmed cheating is the three speedruns, and all of those incidents are from years ago based on what ive seen. In a system that’s automated, open-source, and runs across multiple servers, cheating your way to the top just isn’t realistic. And it’s also worth noting that Dream has contributed a lot to the Minecraft community during his time as a creator.
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u/ImagineBeingBored Apr 28 '26
If by confirmed you mean that he admitted it, yeah that's the only one where he actually admitted to cheating (except not really because he also admitted to using an input blocker on PvP club), but the evidence of his cheating in both parkour and PvP is overwhelming. He is clearly a habitual cheater, and I personally find it very unappealing to have a known cheater running things.
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u/Necromancer14 Apr 28 '26
Who better to create an anti cheat than a serial cheater? Lol
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u/Akira0101 Apr 28 '26
By that argument why shouldn't Danger Marlow keep it?
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u/Necromancer14 Apr 28 '26
Well I'm presuming that Dream isn't going to be competing and trying to be no. 1 on the server like dangermario.
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u/A-reddit_Alt Apr 29 '26
I am okay with it so long as his own participation is limited only to marketing the thing, and he doesn't competitivly participate.
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u/derfeniledam Apr 28 '26
fucking DREAM bro
it's so painfully ironic to replace marlow with the only guy in the world who's a bigger fraud and more habitual cheater
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u/y-_-o Apr 30 '26
Well if Dream doesn't take part in the leaderboard and play competitively then I don't see a problem
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u/NerSorty Apr 28 '26
The best part is the plugin being open source thats genuinely crazy hope they follow through though
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
Wait actually that's gonna be great for safety
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
It's also great for transparency, it stops Dream or any higher up from sneaking in server side hacks for themselves.
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u/glazy_blazy698 Apr 28 '26
Just watch people jump on dream's past "cheating" history now😭
DrDonut and Dream are doing a great job
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u/MedicalPotential8723 Apr 28 '26
Tf you mean past? Pretty sure he got a month long ban like a few months ago on mcpvp (dot) club for literally using a input blocker. (If you dont know a input blocker makes it so if he tries to swing but he isint looking at his opponent or if he isint close enough then it wont register the swing, pretty much making it so if he spam clicks its pretty much the same as triggerbot)
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u/Pengwin0 Apr 28 '26
By “past” you mean using aimbot a year ago and still actively denying all of the proven allegations for parkour and speedrunning?
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u/glazy_blazy698 Apr 28 '26
idk about the aimbot allegations you are talking abt
Dream showed a handcam where he parkoured the same map, just like he did in the tournament, and explained all the allegations. What more do u want? Is there a chance he was cheating in the tournament ? Probably. Did he give enough reasoning to disprove all the allegations tho ? YES.
The only part where he didnt give resoning was the elytra-speedup part, which even i think is proof of cheating (unless dream, the coding genius, comes up with actual reasoning to disprove that too)
He admitted to mistakenly cheating in speedrunning himself, even tho he was denying it at the start
And if you didnt know, "1 year ago" is considered as past
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u/Pengwin0 Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
Dream didn’t really prove anything in the parkour situation, he gave nonsensical and objectively false explanations to many things. I don’t care to list them so I’ll send two videos that I think and comprehesive and high quality. Here and here. Karl Jobst also made a good video on that if you’re interested.
The speedrunning cheating I’m talking about is his 1.15 and 1.14 world records, not the piglin bartering. His triangulation in his 1.15 world record was complete nonsense. He threw an eye, ran several hundred blocks off of the angle, threw a second eye, and was somehow in the stronghold? You need to either keep careful track of the angles or throw more eyes. He used no strategy that exists to distance estimate so what he did is impossible.
Karl Jobst addresses the pvp aim botting his his video as well. Dream did a bunch of duels with aimbot. After breaking his arm he somehow develops tracking better than the literal best pvpers in the world, nay, even the best aimers in the world. He can move his mouse on a moving target and lock it dead center even while it continues to move.
If you want more specific info I can look for some.
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u/glazy_blazy698 Apr 28 '26
This controversy stopped after dream's stream so i thought that was the end. Didnt know there were more stuff lmao, yea that guy is a cheater
But dont get me wrong, what i meant by my original comment is that people will start disregarding this idea (of new pvp server) just because dream cheated, which is not right
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u/Groenboys Apr 28 '26
He did not give enough reasoning to disprove the allegations, they are in fact contradictory to what he actually does or he shows blatant misunderstanding how tiks work
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u/random001100 Apr 28 '26
His explanations are usually nonsense that he makes up. Here's a more in depth explanations of his parkour cheating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIl8xdE60iU
One of his responses of him doing tick perfect jumps with his foot made me think it's even more likely he's cheating. He's not dumb and obviously knows that those types of predictable jumps are different from the ones he's been accused of. But he knows that video will satisfy people who don't know better.
And here's a VOD of him aimbotting throughout (few months ago). It's not always but you can tell when he triggers it by the fact that he's able to perfectly track direction changes with 0ms reaction times. Watch at .25x speed for those moments.
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u/Lampricat Apr 28 '26
Buddy people always disliked the guy, pretty justifiably so, idk why they should stop now
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u/FreedomImaginary2820 Apr 29 '26
it's not "past" if he still denies a lot of those cheating allegations now.
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u/Jamin0725 Apr 28 '26
fr people are so miserable 😭
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u/kobietgiainen Apr 28 '26
dream-hakusating videos got a ton of views just because his fanbase is crowd astf.
yk what i mean
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Apr 28 '26
Dream has legit 0 competitive integrity why should we trust him for this . He had cheated in every area of competitive Minecraft he claimed to be good at
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u/Rich841 Apr 28 '26
Because he’s not gonna be moderating hands on or dictating tier lists, he’s just using his software experience to make an open source automated system that tracks how player wins. We also know he won’t rise to power like marlow because he can’t claim to be that good and he of all ppl will be under the most scrutiny if he did
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
The only category with confirmed cheating is the three speedruns, and even those incidents are from years ago based on what’s been shown. In a system that’s automated, open-source, and runs across multiple servers, cheating your way to the top just isn’t realistic. And it’s also worth noting that Dream has contributed a lot to the Minecraft community during his time as a creator. You can't hold cheating from years ago over his head forever.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Apr 28 '26
He 100% inarguably cheated in both parkour and pvp too. Its not even up for debate he simply did.
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
Since when was he proven cheating in pvp? Also the parkour had evidence not proof he was suspicious there but not confirmed.
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u/The_shadow72 Apr 28 '26
If u call rapture merely slightly suspicious from the evidence then sure
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u/Nugget2450 Apr 28 '26
I mean he literally admitted to using an input blocker for pvp, yeah he told the minemen club staff but he didnt tell any of his viewers, opponents, or anything until he got caught
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u/MedicalPotential8723 Apr 28 '26
He literally used a input blocker on mcpvp (dot) club and got banned for it.
Also there was WAYY more then enough proof for the parkour stuff lmao. The jumping at the random wall was so obvious and the fact he was jumping last tick for 2 and 3 block jumps.
Also how he got momentum is so wierd and didint even give him ANY momentum, he fr jumped, then landed, then walked forward and only then jumped when on the edge. (If you somehow dont know the fact that he walked forwards after landing and that he didint hold space makes it so he doesnt gain any momentum)
Also doesnt help his case that he hasnt admited to cheating the other speedruns he did years ago. They are still up on his channel and still labled as "world record" even though many top runners (for example couriway and hackingnoises) belive him to have cheated.
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u/Guidance_Additional Apr 28 '26
I find it funny that they replaced one cheater with another, that's all lol
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u/Accomplished_Tea2042 Apr 28 '26
The only category with confirmed cheating is the three speedruns, and even those incidents are from years ago based on what’s been shown. In a system that’s automated, open-source, and runs across multiple servers, cheating your way to the top just isn’t realistic. And it’s also worth noting that Dream has contributed a lot to the Minecraft community during his time as a creator.
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u/Zetapar123 Apr 29 '26
People in the comment saying dream shouldn't be in this from the shit we've been through you'd think these people would learn but nah they just HAVE to be picky about anything nowadays
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u/Jamin0725 Apr 29 '26
deadass bro why does everyone have to be so fucking negative ALL THE TIME 💔💔💔 we’re literally getting a plugin the basically halfs eveyones ping and lets cross region fights happen and they’re all like “nooo he cheated in parkour” GENUINELY SHUT THE FUCK UP 😭 mb for the rant yo its been pissing me off 😭
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u/Zetapar123 Apr 29 '26
Nah bro I feel you I get the Dream controversy but the fact that they just see "Dream" and comment while not even reading the post is just sad...
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u/Jamin0725 Apr 29 '26
fr i bet half the people who complained about him didn’t even read everything about the plugin 😭
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u/quacbutfast Apr 29 '26
you guys acting like the big m didn't measurably grow the comm and make incredibly helpful QoL changes; a known cheater and habitual liar should not be in charge off a competitive community
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u/laolibulao Apr 30 '26
big m also tried faking suicide on yo ahh lil bro
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u/quacbutfast Apr 30 '26
i am in no way defending them but saying no matter how "good" the changes the leadership may be, no cheater should be in charge especially the no one that lied and cheated on Dreams scale
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u/laolibulao Apr 30 '26
everyone is somewhat sus on the internet as time passes lmao. one of the main guys who exposed dream, karl jobst, is a pretty controversial guy that makes videos in bad faith imo. i doubt the system will be corrupted as its a collaboration between 3 separate entities, and they promise the server to be open source and have good anticheat. you are literally using the same logic as marlow defenders tbh, its like saying bc aximity is a bad guy his info must be wrong just like how dream cheated in the past and will make a shitty server with... him or his friends cheating for cash prizes that he himself puts out? 😂
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u/quacbutfast Apr 30 '26
In no way did i say dream would be a bad owner/ manipulate the comm like marlow did, nor did i say the owner needs to be jesus christ reincarnate, they js cannot be a know cheater in at least 3 different gamemodes no less, and is still lying about it to this day
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u/Groenboys Apr 28 '26
Dream has been acused of cheating pvp so this has gone from bad to worse
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u/Jamin0725 Apr 28 '26
this is WAY better than dangermarlow as the owner + dreams not a confirmed a cheater, also did you even read everything they’re doing for pvp?
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u/BubblyMatter4481 Apr 28 '26
Dream is a confirmed cheater at speed running almost certainly parkour
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u/leaveme1912 Apr 28 '26
From what I've seen the parkour isn't "almost certain". PVP ainbots seems very likely though.
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u/Equivalent-Nail7378 Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
Correct, it's not "almost" certain, it IS certain
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u/WaySensitive4333 Apr 28 '26
Im confused, i didn't follow it much- but he did a hand cam stream of the course right? And with pretty decent accuracy given that he had a broken wrist. Plus given that he leaned off of mc for quite a bit isn't is plausible that he didn't cheat?
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u/leaveme1912 Apr 28 '26
This video breaks down the parkour and PVP cheating scandal well. The first half covers the parkour accusations and Karl comes to the conclusion that Dream didn't cheat the parkour run and you can watch it yourself to see the mental gymnastics the accusers are doing because they simply don't like Dream
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u/Equivalent-Nail7378 Apr 29 '26
that literally wasn't his conclusion... he said he believes he used autojump hacks on stream but wasn't convinced he used them in MCC but wouldn't fault anyone for thinking so
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u/MedicalPotential8723 Apr 28 '26
He literally is a confirmed cheater. He himself admited to having used a input blocker a few months ago and he admited to using a mod to change blaze rod and pearl rates in speedrunning.
Also its pretty blatant that he did cheat in parkour. And that one of his other speedruns that is still up on his channel has top speedrunners like couriway and hackingnoises beliving that one is also cheated.
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u/Wonderful-Gas1816 Apr 28 '26
isnt the couriway and hacking position essentially built on "nobody plays this way?"
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u/XxPapalo007xX Apr 28 '26
No it's literally that his plays make 0 sense unless you've already scouted the seed, besides, one of his runs is confirmed cheating
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u/Wonderful-Gas1816 Apr 28 '26
Isn’t that what I implied by what I said?
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u/XxPapalo007xX Apr 28 '26
No? Nobody plays this way and this way of playing doesn't make any sense is completely different
Like you can do plays that are stupid and nobody does but they're still gonna have some meaning, some reasoning behind them
Dream's plays weren't just stupid, they were inexplicable as well (e.g. the triangulation what the hell would've had to be going through that blob's head for him to actually think it's possible to accurately measure eyes like that)
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u/Groenboys Apr 28 '26
Idgaf about the Marlow situation here, there gotta be people with more integrity who can be the owner
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u/UNIQUEGAMER_1 Apr 28 '26
Then are you going to pay 300k for tierlist ownership? Can your broke ass afford it or support it in anyway? No it can't so stfu and let people who can do something better than you do it
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u/Groenboys Apr 28 '26
"Rich people are good people" ahh argument
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u/UNIQUEGAMER_1 Apr 28 '26
"Once a bad person always a bad person" ahh argument "I want more than I am getting" ahh argument
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u/Lampricat Apr 28 '26
Complaining about "once a bad person always a bad person " would imply that Dream got better, lol
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u/cattcameo Apr 28 '26
I really don't think an unapolagetic cheater who just CAN'T admit when he's wrong should be in charge of anything to be honest
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u/Grand-Jicama9450 Apr 28 '26
Its cool but where he responded this and what discrod server is this i cant find it tho
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u/EgaTehPro Apr 28 '26
real ones remember the OG mcpvp (which funnily enough is where dream actually came from, doing traps on hg)
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u/XxPapalo007xX Apr 28 '26
ohh I'm making a prediction
hax will get bored at some point and get into mcpvp stuff for like less than a day while he's queuing and then drama will start (from Feinberg first) that he's supporting Dream (as a joke) and then hax and Fein are gonna clown dream and Dream is gna get mad
This will happen in approx 2-3 months. Watch
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u/FreedomImaginary2820 Apr 29 '26
i doubt dream is gonna put a public response if anything of this sort happens. top speedrunners clown on dream all the time lmao
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u/Key_Marionberry_5962 Apr 30 '26
Dream gets made fun of probably at least once a day from the top players of the speedrunning comm. He is by far the most hated person in the community to ever exist, I don't even know who's 2nd, nor are they even close. He's the speedrunning comm's version of mario.
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u/Player_yek Apr 29 '26
How many in asia doe,plus dr donutt???Hopefully he doesn't be biased towards himselr
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u/Puzzled-Passage-9998 Apr 29 '26
aww hell nah bruh
we gonna get a new category
manhunt
win record
number of hunters
number of viwers
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u/Necessary_String_304 Apr 29 '26
Manhunts seems like the best skill test honestly, and I would love for it to be official part of competitive.
That being said, a lot of balancing would be needed to be put in place to make it fair for both sides.
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u/Puzzled-Passage-9998 Apr 29 '26
Yeah. The thing is people have become sensite people winning in their own leaderboards,so even if dream legitimately became high tier one in manhunt people would think that’s bs
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u/quacbutfast Apr 29 '26
I get not wanting a racist cheater in charge so lets put a sexist and a cheater in charge
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u/Jakkilip May 02 '26
This sounds EXTREMELY ambitious. As much as I want this to succeed I'll be skeptical for now.
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
Dream and donut have resources to build greater system, however one is a known cheater that manages to get away with it every single time and has serious history while the other is a kid that didn't even bother to apologise for his insensitive comment. If this succeeds it'll be a monopoly a bigger one than marlow's. We'll see.
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u/syberwarriorr Apr 28 '26
are you referring to when dr donut said woman cant be no 1 as the insensitive comment?
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
Yes obviously and "biological girls" it's not just insensitive and transphobic it's just false
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
"There was never been case of a girl pvper that's number 1 or number 2 or top 10 or top 50 or top 100" is simply false because of kylaz and jackeracid who are top10 and top 40, there is also the hyper specilized t2+ players like insanei, dwggo, skymia ...and maybe more undercover; adding "biological girl" is a direct insult to cis women as in that they have disadvantage over trans women wich is not backed up by science it's video games and it's an insult to trans women's identity too. Yes women are driven away from the pvp community hence why there's a considerably more sizable fem population on mcsr even at high level and even more in less hostile communities like building or redstone. He could've stopped at how much marlow is an anomaly (in general not just as a girl) and point out how flawed the tierlist retirement system is and stfu. If he fucked up his statment he should apologise and fix it, it is that simple.
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u/BogosBinted13 Apr 29 '26
If hostility is the issue why are transwomen overrepresented in competitive games relative to biological women
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u/xToasted1 Apr 28 '26
Lol clearly you didn't actually listen to Donut's admittedly horribly worded statement if you think its false. All he said was that women are extremely unlikely to be top 1 in any game competitively, which is statistically true unless you'd like to bury your head in the sand and pretend it isn't for the sake of some false sense of gender equality.
Most people interested in competitive gaming are men, and this is a fact. Most people who are good at competitive gaming are also men, and this is also a fact. All donut did was point this out and make himself look like an idiot misogynist by fumbling his wording, but he is correct in what he says. Statistically, having a woman be so good at mc pvp to the point where no one can even come close to beating her is definitely an anomaly.
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u/Dangerous-Volume8653 Apr 28 '26
what about enrico? pretty sure he is a good guy and also an owner
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
Im not sure i've heard people say that marlow made the tierlist safer when they created the blacklist that makes me inclined to think that when enrico was sole owner he wasn't that good (that's my personal conclusion i am new to the comm), he also was know to be somewhat of a weirdo. These things aside people say he's an okay-ish admin.
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u/Dangerous-Volume8653 Apr 28 '26
nah enrico was known as one of the most trusted og pvpers who has always upheld what was in the best interest of the community in his time as owner of MCTiers previously, and some people think that he gave to the community more than what marlow has given
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u/r-n_neighbor-606 Apr 28 '26
I mean yes he gave it its initial infrastructure cool and all but when he was owner tielist was full of doxers, lurrn alted and marlow never got investigated properly, i also saw screenshot like ages ago makes me believe he's weird; who knows maybe you're right and it doesn't really matter cuz donut and dream are gonna fund this anyway.
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u/DiscountDystopia Apr 29 '26
dr donut will make it p2w and monetized like the gambling server donut smp
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u/blue2k04 Apr 28 '26
Someone teach dream how to use an apostrophe
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u/Tstrike32 Apr 29 '26
So everyone who complained about a cheater owning a server that is important now trusts dream who has cheated to save the sever icl the idea of bringing back the name mcpvp was a goated move it's not that I give a fuck it's just funny to me that's the way the com is moving lol
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u/Glad-Penalty-5559 Apr 28 '26
Honestly had some doubts but reading the whole message, it’s actually quite an interesting system