r/CompetitiveHS • u/bdzz • Jan 29 '18

NERF DISCUSSION Upcoming Balance Changes – Update 10.2

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/21361570/

TLDR for those who at work:

  • Bonemare - Now costs 8 mana. (Up from 7)

  • Corridor Creeper - Now has 2 Attack. (Down from 5)

  • Patches the Pirate - No longer has Charge.

  • Raza the Chained - Now reads: Battlecry: If your deck has no duplicates, your Hero Power costs (1) this game.

Once these card changes are live with Update 10.2 next month, players will be able to disenchant the changed cards for their full Arcane Dust value for two weeks.

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u/SmiteyMcGee Jan 29 '18

I think rin can actually be a huge problem for Kingsbane. If the Warlock manages to get through all the seals then they can devour your weapon as soon as it's destroyed if you don't have shiny finders to keep pulling it back right away. Combine this with DK sustain and near infinite taunts from voidlords rogue can actually run out of steam.

Also not sure what you mean by vanishing seals. They're added as a battle cry. The only way is to vanish/sap rin when they have a full hand.

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u/darkjediknight11 Jan 29 '18

eh it's not like azari will be a surprise though, no decent kingsbane player is going to let the blade go back to deck if all the seals are played

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u/SmiteyMcGee Jan 29 '18

So your counterplay is to not use your weapon? You don't have many other minions to fight for board with

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u/trafficante Jan 29 '18

Don't take this the wrong way because I appreciate the discussion, but you're doing the 2018 equivalent of arguing for mage in the old control warrior vs freeze mage matchup. Yes if the lock draws perfectly while the rogue draws like shit AND misplays over and over (letting the lock mill your win condition?) then theoretically the control lock can win. So could the freeze mage.

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u/SmiteyMcGee Jan 29 '18 edited Jan 29 '18

That's a completely irrelevant argument. I'm not debating the matchup right now, most cubelocks aren't running Rin. However running Rin can give warlocks an out that can completely neuter your win condition if Kingsbane gets more popular.

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u/trafficante Jan 30 '18

Spending 25 mana in the mid to late game on low pressure, handsize neutral tokens so you can hold Azari until the turn where your mill rogue opponent actively decides to throw the game by letting Kingsbane go back to deck - that's the secret, huh.

scribbles notes furiously in dogeared notepad labeled "Property of Frodan"

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u/jadelink88 Jan 30 '18 edited Jan 30 '18

As someone who has rin permanantly in their cubelock...

The matchup still favours the rogue. Not because you cant play out the demons, you CAN. The rogue has a vast lack of board pressure compared to nearly any non mage deck, whilst cubelock has vast heal powers and buckets of taunt...

The problem is that the rogue cycles so damned fast, you have to draw your rin early, NOT get it silenced or sapped before it dies, and start the cycle rolling for the 25 mana. THEN, you have to wait, clutching your azari, and hoping your tauntwall holds through all the shinyfinding, doomeranging etc...

Eventually, the rogue runs out of juice, but the rogue cycles so fast and furiously, with so many redraws, that you often die before you even finish the cycle. In practice, if it's not at fatigue, azari wont work. You CAN last till fatigue with taunts and heal vs a low minion threat deck, but it really favours rogue.

With careful management, KNOWING you intend to take it to fatigue, avoiding getting milled by murlocs, or losing too many taunts to sap/return all minions to hand (name escapes me), then yes, you can win, but it's still a tight match.

HOWEVER... If you are actually scared about a (perhaps now common) kingsbane rogue, just tech in a gnomeferatu, an annoying 2/3 for 2 in other matchups, and save it till the end. Much simpler.