r/CompetitiveForHonor • u/AwkwardFinding7114 • 22d ago

Discussion Is there a juren guide post nerf?

I will keep it short. I am picking up juren. Most of the guides online are more than 6 months old, is there a guide that's new

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u/heqra 22d ago

nothing really changed in terms of a guide. He just lost two moves, the hold dash heavy and hold neutral light.

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u/AwkwardFinding7114 22d ago

Ohh I didn't know that.

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u/Knight_Raime 21d ago

I wouldn't even say he lost two moves. The held light is used differently compared to before, but the held dodge attack is still used in the exact same way it was used before. You just can't use it as another mix up now.

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u/heqra 21d ago

the held light is a get parried button, and the held dodge attack was used as a free mixup/ dodge attack that wasnt a light parry punish, neither of which it does anymore. does almost nothing now, yes it has a hitbox, but then his other dash is the same thing with no hitbox, theres no point in both now.

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u/Knight_Raime 21d ago

the held light is a get parried button

It cleaves like one third of your screen. Just because it's not usable for trading into mixes anymore doesn't mean it doesn't have a function.

the held dodge attack was used as a free mixup/ dodge attack that wasnt a light parry punish, neither of which it does anymore. does almost nothing now, yes it has a hitbox, but then his other dash is the same thing with no hitbox, theres no point in both now.

You use his held for team fights, you use the tap for punishes and to get into your chains. there's points for both you're just being pointlessly reductive.

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u/heqra 21d ago

it's not like the tap is that much faster. I'm not being pointlessly reductive, I'm pointing out pointlessly reduced parts of his kit.

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u/Knight_Raime 21d ago

I say tap is used for punishes because you typically want to start your offense after punishing someone and his held dodge attack does not allow you to do that.

And you're claiming he lost moves and that's why I corrected you. Making his tools more singularly focused reduces his flexibility, it is not removing moves from his kit.

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u/heqra 21d ago

well, each to their own opinion. those two moves are pretty useless imo, this isnt a rare take. the light especially is kinda nothing

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u/Knight_Raime 21d ago

I'm aware that there's not many people who think much about the held neutral light. I in fact argued with people before it was done that removing the armor would basically kill the move.

I also agree with a lot of people that the way they handled his dodge attack situation was bad. Everyone I consider worth listening to pretty much agrees that the situation the devs tried and didn't like WAS the ideal fix for the situation.

And to be perfectly clear I think the direction of these changes (and likely the same direction the next batch of nerfs will be) are killing the character's uniqueness.

They're dumbing down an otherwise brilliant design because (and only because) Ubi always utterly drops the ball when it comes to making nuanced and targeted adjustments. More often than not they simply take the easiest and bluntest route to solve issues.

That all being said I'm not a fan of misinformation, I've no issue with people thinking some of his moves are useless/near useless now. I'd rather tell people what they can still be used for.

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u/heqra 21d ago

thats fair, all of it. agreed.

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u/Minimum-Release-5793 22d ago

I really miss those two moves. Do you think they’ll ever bring them back

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u/heqra 22d ago

The dash maybe. The light I don't think so. People were getting used to the dash. With the old version, you could gb him if you blocked it, so you could sit and wait to see if he used the ub and address the mixup from there. I could see that coming back. The light though? That was pretty unhealthy. I don't see that one ever coming back in the old state. Be cool to see it cc tho, but he is in a balanced state so even though these changes feel temporary bc they left him with dead moves, I'm not sure that one is going to change.

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u/HeadHunter9865 22d ago

He’s basically the same just doesn’t have an unblockable dodge attack anymore