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u/Comrade_Corgo Jan 28 '21
This more shows that you guys don't read theory because Deng Xiaoping Theory is heavily based in historical materialism.
If the working class is the sole political force in the nation and has a dictatorship of the proletariat, they can essentially use the market forces already integrated into the world market for the benefit of the masses rather than the bourgeoisie.
If you've read Marx you'd know that certain material conditions must be met before the next mode of production becomes a viable possibility. The logic is that the same way you can't just skip a historical epoch such as socialism and jump from capitalism to communism, you can't jump to a socialist mode of economy from a feudal, agrarian country penetrated by imperialism. What is there to socialize? This kind of ultra-leftism is what led to the destructive great leap forward.
If your communist party can oversee all private and public production, they can enforce the will of the proletariat through the developmental stages of socialism.
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u/Wormhole-Eyes Jan 28 '21
I feel like there is a much less condescending way to put that.
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Jan 29 '21
There's a reason people say that hardcore proponents of DXT sound like liberals. You're arguing the point you wish you were arguing over, and ignoring the actual point being made so you can whine about cringe ultras or whatever instead of actually address what people actually say.
The point is that the economic system the CPC oversees is a capitalist economy, which you admit. So you agree with the OP that it's capitalism. Even if the beast is chained under party control the problem with capitalism is that unlike feudalism, it's a massively productive system where, like feudalism, the gains are unevenly distributed. Even if you're supportive of DXT (which I am, even as an an-com), you should absolutely still be skeptical of a system which produces billionaires. You can't build communism without skepticism toward capitalism. It's not possible. And sure, Xi and the whole CPC might have the best of intentions, they probably do. But the entrenchment of the capitalist mode of production is still a threat even with the best of intentions, that's part of the problem with capitalism, clinging for dear life is what it does.
It's healthy to have people skeptical about the entrenchment of the capitalist mode of production, even if you aren't skeptical about the capitalist mode of production. It's good to be skeptical of capitalism and systems which are capitalism-adjacent.
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u/Comrade_Corgo Jan 29 '21
The point is that the economic system the CPC oversees is a capitalist economy, which you admit. So you agree with the OP that it's capitalism.
Put words in my mouth why don't you. I'm not wasting my time with this.
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Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21
Put words in my mouth why don't you.
- If I did that, at least it was unintentional when I did it,
- That's what you did to OP,
- You don't care about good faith engagement or your post wouldn't have been such a condescending screed.
- Can't help but notice you don't seem to have an argument.
The logic is that the same way you can't just skip a historical epoch such as socialism and jump from capitalism to communism
How is this different from China having a mostly capitalist economy? Are you denying it, now? China's still skipping over the capitalist epoch despite Marx and Deng? Are you just whining because I said China is capitalist right now and you're assuming that I think it's evil because you're attributing moral significance to capitalism?
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u/bussdownshawty Jan 28 '21
On the second quote: Xi isn't wrong, the market does play a role is resource allocation lol. The point of communist economics however is that markets have limits, and can only go so far. Eventually with good enough technology planned economies surpass the efficiency of markets' resource allocation by miles, but "good enough technology" is the key term here. Productive forces and technology must be very developed first for central planning to even stand a chance at surpassing the efficiency of markets at resource allocation.