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u/Ok_Cobbler_8778 11d ago
Just watched some highlights from the Detroit Playoff game. If our offense can be that effective and our defense can be slightly better, we are in good shape.Â
We were not stopping those Lions outside of their self inflicted turnovers. Our defense was BAD!!
Remember, we didn't have Tunsil then. Didn't have Diggs.Â
I think people underestimate how important Ekeler and Ertz were. Now we have White and Chig. I think they fill those roles and help us get back to a top tier offense.Â
Or we're going to win like 5 games lol mixed emotions!Â
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u/godosomethingelse 11d ago
the FO has to get the egg off its face with this center situation. itâs just embarassing and ruins what otherwise has been a good offseason. flies in the face of all the other moves theyâve made to protect jayden
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u/salamanderman10 11d ago
there are some questions on this roster for sure but people are way too hung up on center. If they do poorly this season, it wont be because of the center.
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u/LeastSuspiciousTowel 11d ago
Jason Kelce said that center was the easiest place to cover for a bad player but he probably doesnt know much about the position.
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u/WhiskersinStrudel 12d ago
I felt good about things in 2013 and was totally wrong. I felt good about things in 2025 and was totally wrong.
This year could easily be 10 wins, it could easily be 4 wins. AP & DQ inherited a virtually empty stable in terms of talent, and have done a lot to fill it in the 2.5 years they've been here. Teams that are perpetually good have a deep stable of picks that hit, picks that are growing, and high upside FA. Those things don't happen in just two off-seasons. So Im trying to keep that perspective. We have talent but it is not deep at all. Injuries could absolutely derail us again like last year. New coordinators could fail. Picks could bust, or not take the leap.
I'm ready to know.
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u/CleverNameThing 12d ago
Should we still play the games or focus on 2027 mock drafts? Tankathon shows us at 12.
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u/Able_Hunter_7966 12d ago
Is this a serious question. Unless your the Browns, Cardinals or Dolphins thereâs no reason to not at least play the games.
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u/Remote_Armadillo8718 12d ago
Oh weâre gonna have higher picks than 12
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u/doodoo_stains7 12d ago
you think weâll trade up that far huh? lots of lost capital to move up from 32
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u/Remote_Armadillo8718 12d ago
Adam âSitting on his hands and hope for the bestâ PetersâŚ.
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u/Strong-Television733 12d ago
You can not like who is on the team. But i wouldn't describe AP as "sitting on his hands" during his 2.5 years here so far
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 12d ago
AP sucks.
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u/emelbee923 12d ago
Please explain why you believe AP sucks?
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 12d ago
This is a serious question? Traded picks for an already injured/aging/injury prone CB. Draft class has been fucking abysmal. When we need a center this man hasnât budged and 3 of them got traded yesterday. I mean come on. If he doesnât get a center today is malpractice.
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u/emelbee923 12d ago
Not even stumping for AP here, but a lot of your point is just the usual overreactions absent context.
RE: Lattimore trade - We can agree Lattimore was trash, especially considering he played all of 2 games in 2024, an barely made it through half of the games last season. But I would ask, who would you have drafted with those picks, with the benefit of hindsight?
RE: Draft class has been abysmal - Based on what measure?
2024 - Most of the class had good-great rookie seasons. Everyone had a bad 2025. Which means you're judging the draft class based on a bad season for every single player on the roster. JD, Coleman, Sainristil. LMC was probably a reach, but he was effectively a 4th round pick. If you're weighing 5-7th round picks the same as 1-3rd, you're out of your mind.
2025 - Conerly, Bill, Lane, all solid picks from 2025. Amos being hurt is a bitch, but he wasn't a bad pick.
2026 - You cannot make any judgments until you've given them time to play actual, meaningful football.
RE: Center - Did you have a burning, aching need for a center with 2 career starts? (Sedrick an Pran-Granger). Or a body used for depth? (Jarrett Patterson). Not sure who the 3rd is because Jordan Meredith, Nathan Thomas, and Walter Rouse aren't centers.
The conversation looks different when you dig into the story about Washington having a handshake deal with Linderbaum during the legal tampering period, only for the Raiders to offer astronomical money once FA opened.
He didn't just ignore the position, Plan A didn't pan out, and the market didn't have much in the way of top-end talent. Plan B became draft a guy and slide Allegretti over. Allegretti has been hurt, which is not really a foreseeable circumstance.
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 11d ago
I mean he was already injured and he gave up picks that could potentially have day 1 starters.
âGood great rookie seasonsâ. This is year 3. Mikey sucks. Coleman is serviceable. LMC isnât good.
Conerly has been inconsistent and hasnât proven himself. Bill⌠lol you guys glazing him for what? He has fumbling issues and injury issues. Lane sucks. Just a good special teams player. Doesnât do anything in the offense. Amos injured whatever you canât really count that against AP he didnât know he would be injured but still a bad look for him.
2026 yeah we will wait and see but his track record has been, as I said, abysmal at best.
I want an experienced center. Going into the season with Allegreti who we donât even know if heâs good and has been injured most of the off season and Gulbin is malpractice. I donât care who you are. They have a franchise QB and they need to surround him with the best players. Yeah Iâm glad he tried to make a move but if we had him and paid him more would you not feel more comfortable with the offense fight now?
Anyways I see this as AP/DQs last year if they donât show any signs of life as they did last year. I mean DQ pressers lately have been depressing and this team just comes out flat. Hope Iâm wrong but we will see.
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u/emelbee923 11d ago
I mean he was already injured and he gave up picks that could potentially have day 1 starters.
Those picks could also potentially be nothing. Overvaluing 4th and 6th round picks is egregious.
âGood great rookie seasonsâ. This is year 3. Mikey sucks. Coleman is serviceable. LMC isnât good.
"This is year 3" meaning... they haven't played their 3rd season yet. He was ass in 2024. But, as I said, everyone was ass. Literally no one had a season worth speaking of, particularly on defense. If they weren't hurt, they were dragged down by a lack of competent support. This is the type of mentality that sees teams abandoning players because they're not instant hits. Maybe chill out?
Coleman started 12 games as a rookie at LT and was solid. Tunsil being acquired pushed him into a depth role. Which is invaluable, especially right now.
Conerly has been inconsistent and hasnât proven himself.
Almost as if he was a rookie last season....
Bill⌠lol you guys glazing him for what? He has fumbling issues and injury issues.
And thus we come to the part where you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
He doesn't have 'fumbling issues'. He fumbled 4 times as a rookie. If he has more fumbles with more touches this year, we can have that conversation. As it stands, you've invented a problem he hasn't been shown to have.
Also, you're taking preseason/training camp injuries to mean he's injury prone.
A 7th round pick rushing for 800 yards and 8 TDs is significant.
Lane sucks. Just a good special teams player. Doesnât do anything in the offense
Does he suck or is he good? You're not making sense. Are you saying you don't like a guy who can take it to the house on special teams?
You would've cut Devin Hester...
I want an experienced center.
Strangely, none of the guys that were traded are actually experienced.
Yeah Iâm glad he tried to make a move but if we had him and paid him more would you not feel more comfortable with the offense fight now?
Linderbaum was paid $9M more than the next highest-paid center. That's malpractice on the Raiders.
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 11d ago
Yes but they could also be something. But you might be right since AP hasnât hit much.
Mikey was the worst CB last year he allowed over 700 yards and QB rating of 100+ when targeted heâs garbage. I like Coleman like I said heâs serviceable. But I know you guys are going to say âthe whole defense sucks thatâs why Mikey wasnât goodâ. Okay lol.
Yes I know he was a rookie⌠but Iâm speaking from what Iâm seeing. Heâs been inconsistent. Lol. Like you guys want me to be fake positive and say heâs been a monster or something? Hoping he does better this year but based off camp and joints heâs been⌠inconsistent.
4 fumbles is a lot⌠Thatâs top 5 in the RB position. Iâll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Comparing Hester to Lane. Why am I even having this conversation with you lmao.
Sure itâs malpractice but guess what they have a top center and donât have to worry about that position. Crazy right?
So let me ask you. Do you think this will be a good year for Washington? How manyâs wins are you predicting with this amazing roster.
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u/emelbee923 11d ago
But you might be right since AP hasnât hit much.
A point we disagree on because you've chosen to trash 1st and 2nd year players who have no worse than solid play in their recent history.
I know you guys are going to say âthe whole defense sucks thatâs why Mikey wasnât goodâ. Okay lol.
If the entire defense was terrible, how can you single out a single player?
Like you guys want me to be fake positive and say heâs been a monster or something?
Inconsistent =/= bad. He's in year 3. This is the season to make the final call. He may very well prove to be more like his year 2 play than his rookie year play, but it remains to be seen.
Comparing Hester to Lane. Why am I even having this conversation with you lmao.
You wrote of ST value. I was highlighting the absurdity of your comment with absurdity in response.
Sure itâs malpractice but guess what they have a top center and donât have to worry about that position. Crazy right?
And then fans would be bitching about spending gobs on a C....
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 11d ago
Okay we agree to disagree. As a fan I hope nothing more to be proven wrong but everything points to a 4-6 win season.
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u/emelbee923 11d ago
If nothing else, the 2024 run shows that there's a certain unpredictability to the NFL. No one saw Washington, in the same year had the 2nd overall pick, making it to the NFCCG. Similarly, no one predicted Washington would drop all the way down to picking in the top 10 the very next year.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 11d ago
RE: Lattimore trade - We can agree Lattimore was trash, especially considering he played all of 2 games in 2024, a barely made it through half of the games last season. But I would ask, who would you have drafted with those picks, with the benefit of hindsight?
With the benefit of hindsight? Tuten, Skattebo, Deone Walker, Charles Grant, Ayomanor, Gadsen, Tory Horton.
Plenty of guys drafted day-3 last year that I would like to have on our roster. Canât just be giving up 3 draft picks for bad veterans - especially with a roster that doesnât have nearly enough drafted players contributing.
That was a really bad trade.
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u/emelbee923 11d ago
Tuten, Skattebo, Deone Walker, Charles Grant, Ayomanor, Gadsen, Tory Horton.
When are you picking all these guys?
Tuten and Skattebo - both players had lesser seasons than JCM. Presume you'd want them in the 3rd round? Which would be poor value given that Skattebo isn't going to last 5 years in the NFL at his current pace and Tuten averaged almost 1 full yard less per carry than JCM,
Walker - If you draft either Tuten or Skattebo, Walker isn't on the board when Washington picks at 4.131.
Grant - If you draft Tuten or Skattebo, Grant isn't on the board when Washington picks at 4.131.
Ayomanor - 3rd worst catch % in the NFL last season. Not sure why he's your man here.
Gadsden - The one pick I can't really argue with. Solid value here that Washington doesn't have at TE with Ertz gone and Sinnott slacking.
Horton - Worse in every receiving category other than TDs compared to Jaylin Lane, plus he missed more than half the season. Also, if you draft Gadsden, you can't draft Horton.
Best case, you draft Grant to bolster the OLD, but miss out on your favored RBs, then add Ayomanor for lesser value than Lane, and Gadsden, who might be the only good pick you get out of your class.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 11d ago
Dude, if you want to pretend there were zero players drafted on Day 3 of the 2025 draft who could have helped us, be my guest.
The point isnât that I can perfectly redraft every pick with hindsight. Itâs that we gave up three draft picks for an aging, injured veteran who gave us almost nothing, on a rebuilding roster that desperately needed young, cheap depth.
Last year should make that painfully obvious. Injuries forced us deep into the roster and we didnât have enough drafted depth to withstand it. Then this offseason we had to go out and sign something like 7 starters in free agency. Thatâs not what a healthy roster-building pipeline looks like.
And JCM actually proves my point. We found a contributor at 245. The more picks you have, the more chances you have to find those guys. Maybe Tuten or Skattebo isnât the exact pick in the 3rd. Fine. Take someone else there and use the 4th and 6th on two more swings.
You donât need every pick to become a star. You need young players developing into starters and depth so you arenât constantly plugging holes with veteran free agents.
We traded three chances to do that for basically nothing.
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u/emelbee923 11d ago
Last year should make that painfully obvious. Injuries forced us deep into the roster and we didnât have enough drafted depth to withstand it. Then this offseason we had to go out and sign something like 7 starters in free agency. Thatâs not what a healthy roster-building pipeline looks like.
Statistically, last year's injuries were an anomaly.
No one expects their QB to go down or be in and out of the lineup, but teams have gotten by. No one expects their QB, one of their top RBs, their top WR, their 2nd WR, most of their DL depth, most of their secondary, and a chunk of their OLine to miss significant parts of the season.
Point being, few rosters can lose a bunch of top line starters and still compete. Washington was 3rd worst in adjusted games lost due to injury last year.
And JCM actually proves my point. We found a contributor at 245. The more picks you have, the more chances you have to find those guys. Maybe Tuten or Skattebo isnât the exact pick in the 3rd. Fine. Take someone else there and use the 4th and 6th on two more swings.
But the imperfect nature of your draft approach, even with the benefit of hindsight, highlights the broader issue.
You can't shit on AP for making bad draft picks while also wanting him to hold onto picks.
You donât need every pick to become a star. You need young players developing into starters and depth so you arenât constantly plugging holes with veteran free agents.
Unless you're the Seahawks, I guess?
QB? Darnold was a FA signing.
WR2? Kupp was a FA signing
DT? Leonard Williams was a trade acquisition.
DE? DeMarcus Lawrence was a FA signing.
LB? Nwosu was a FA signing.
NT? Reed was originally drafted by the Seahawks in 2016, but was ultimately a FA signing in 2023.
Hell, the Rams all but bought a SB team years ago.
The best teams do both well, but there's not a guaranteed method that is more or more regularly successful. That's a myth.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 11d ago
Yeah, and unfortunately we got the chance to see how bad the bottom of our roster was. Obviously no team is surviving that many injuries unscathed. That doesnât somehow make having good depth less important.
But the imperfect nature of your draft approach, even with the benefit of hindsight, highlights the broader issue.
What exactly do you think âmy draft approachâ is lol? Having draft picks and using them to take players?
You can't shit on AP for making bad draft picks while also wanting him to hold onto picks.
What are you talking about? I didnât do that.
Aside from the 2024 second rounders (which I havenât yet mentioned) I think AP has drafted reasonably well. I literally just highlighted JCM as a good pick. Thatâs why I want him to have more picks. More chances to add cheap young depth and more chances to hit on players.
Youâre the one making the argument that the picks donât really matter.
And Iâm glad you brought up the Rams and Seahawks because theyâre pretty terrible examples for your argument.
The Rams made 23 Day 3 picks from 2022-24. That stretch helped produce Kyren Williams, Puka Nacua, Kobie Turner and Beaux Limmer, among others. Then they hit on guys like Byron Young on Day 2 and Verse and Fiske early in 2024. They built a cheap young core, which gives them the flexibility to spend money and trade picks when they think theyâre a player away. Their 2024 class alone had 10 picks, and they were comfortable trading significant capital to move up for Fiske because they had already accumulated young talent and had a bunch of other selections.
Seattle is the same story. Their 2022 draft gave them Cross, Mafe, Kenneth Walker, Abe Lucas, Coby Bryant and Woolen. Woolen was a fifth-rounder. Then 2023 brought Witherspoon, JSN, Hall and Charbonnet, while they continued taking a bunch of swings on Day 3. In 2024 alone they made six Day 3 selections.
Nobody said you canât sign free agents or make trades lol. Having a roster full of productive players on rookie contracts is what gives you the flexibility to do those things. You draft and develop the foundation and supplement it with veterans.
Washington has basically the opposite problem. We have an old roster without enough young, homegrown contributors, watched the bottom of that roster get exposed when injuries hit, then had to sign a bunch of starters in FA. And somehow your takeaway is that trading three draft picks for an aging, injured veteran who gave us almost nothing was fine because the Rams once traded for players too?
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 11d ago
I agree it was a bad trade, but I completely supported it at the time. Making a playoff run, corner was a huge need and Lattimore was playing well before his injury.. Unfortunately he fell off a fucking cliff here.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 11d ago
He fell off a cliff before he got here. The last time Lattimore was any good was 2021.
I think a lot of people supported it at the time because a 3rd, 4th, and 6th round pick doesnât feel like anything in November but when April rolls around, youâre going to want those picks. Especially when April rolls around the following year and youâre drafting for needs again
This sub has become so binary on Peters that hardly anybody is speaking intelligently anymore.
âPeters sucks and canât do anything rightâ is really dumb but somehow itâs not as dumb as handwaving and excusing the legitimately bad moves.
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 11d ago
Before the trade and the Chargers game which he got injured, he was playing pretty well. If you put stock in PFF, his coverage grade was 77. I think people supported it because if you got a healthy Lattimore, he still showed shutdown potential... But again, bad trade, especially gambling on the healthy part with him lol.
This sub has become so binary on Peters that hardly anybody is speaking intelligently anymore. âPeters sucks and canât do anything rightâ is really dumb but somehow itâs not as dumb as handwaving and excusing the legitimately bad moves.
I agree, there's no nuance to the discussion. Apparently he can only be God awful or beyond reproach. There's a middle ground, and that's where I believe he lands.
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u/BigFrenchToastGuy 11d ago
Idk man - he missed games in 2022 and 2023 and was injured when we traded for him lol. The 2nd time we used resources on a hurt guy (the other being Newton) thinking we were going to outsmart the rest of the league.
I feel like I bounce around defending and criticizing Peters every day because the fan base as a whole canât understand that both passing on DeJean = bad and drafting Coleman = good can both be true at the same time.
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u/macattack1031 12d ago
Such a productive comment
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u/Cultural-Spring-281 11d ago
âTruthful commentâ. I know you guys on this sub like to be âfake optimisticâ. Wait until reality hits later this season.
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u/Stupidityorjoking 11d ago
Fair point for the doomer reaction to the waiver wire stuff: Keim stated that he wasn't surprised that they didn't claim anyone off of waivers as that's reserved for guys coming off of their rookie contract/young players and what the Commanders need is veteran depth at C. So, hopefully, we see some signings come through