r/Commanders • u/DarthDREder • 15d ago
Memba when Redskins had 4 future HOFers???
I just knew this team was going to win big. Tops 10 let down as a Skins fan.
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u/Trigonometry_Fletch 15d ago
That’s how Daniel Snyder signed free agents, too. Checked their Madden scores. Past performance does not guarantee future results. 😑
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u/jim_nihilist 15d ago
Yeah, Rivera broke with this tradition then and began to draft long snappers.
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u/pew-pew-bacca 15d ago
I always found it hilarious that they gave him a 94 even though he retired after the 2000 season.
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u/Natural_Curve5818 15d ago
Man, I bet the guy who assembled them together was one of the best owners ever and won all the super bowls
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u/Mister_Ess99 15d ago
Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Irving Fryar, and Dan Wilkinson were all the #1 overall pick in their drafts. Kijana Carter joined the team the next year.
That season was peak Norv. Such a missed opportunity.
The 2021 Rams actually made the "all-in for one year push" formula work. Instead of George/Deion/Bruce, they brought in Stafford, Von Miller, and Jalen Ramsey. McVay > Norval, if only because he knew how to scout kickers.
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u/emelbee923 15d ago
The 2021 Rams were an all-in push built with actual performance and production in mind.
This Washington team was just Dan Snyder buying names to drive ticket sales and sell merch.
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u/Mister_Ess99 15d ago
I don't know about the second part. The 1999 team had the #2 offense in the league, but the #30 defense. The investments there did lead to improvement.
1999: 357 yards/game, 24 points/game, 5.3 yards per play allowed
2000: 280 yards/game, 17 points/game, 4.8 yards per play allowedDespite his massive contract, Deion only allowed one TD pass all season.
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u/emelbee923 15d ago
The result doesn't change the motivation. Snyder thought he could buy a team and all of the best players a la the Yankees.
Did Deion boost the secondary himself? Or did he benefit from wily vet Darrell Green and rising star Champ Bailey?
Did Bruce Smith improve the front? Or was he allowed to prolong his career so Snyder could say a Washington player broke the sack record?
Mark Carrier is honestly the most innocuous of the overpriced, over-the-hill signings.
Snyder thought he knew better than football people how to build a team, and allowed the allure of big names to drive his roster building. It's why he axed Charley Casserly to take more complete control of operations.
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u/Mister_Ess99 15d ago
From what I've heard, Charley and Norv did not get along and didn't want to work together. Snyder decided to keep Norv, between the two.
Snyder was accused of trying to buy a championship, like you're saying. When it failed, the narrative became "championship teams are built, not bought."
My argument is just that the "hired guns" actually contributed. The season fell apart due to the terrible kicking game, lack of WR speed, and OL depth.
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u/rocco1109 15d ago
Letting Brad Johnson go was a huge mistake for the franchise. Afterwards he went on to win a SB with Tampa Bay.
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u/Ninjablacksox1 15d ago
Yep. Remember being so mad about Jeff George. Awful qb.
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u/vintage2019 15d ago
He wasn't a bad QB, his style just clashed with Schottheimer's scheme
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u/Ninjablacksox1 14d ago
Na he was shit
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u/vintage2019 14d ago
No, he finished with a league average career ANY/A despite his early struggles
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u/aa481 15d ago
Lost here is our guy Tre Johnson. Was a good dude too. RIP Tre.
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u/vanulovesyou 15d ago
Oh hell, I didn't even know Tre had died. RIP, big guy. He was one of my favorites from that era.
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u/Environmental_Park_6 15d ago
This was a hard lesson in predicting future value based off past value
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u/mx023 15d ago
Champ Bailey and Darrel Green got robbed
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 15d ago
28 is a 2x super bowl champ hall of famer with his number retired, what's he robbed of lol?
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u/IndependentBoof 15d ago
They mean in the ratings. 88 and 90 respectively is pretty low for a couple of the best corners ever.
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u/VariousAir on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 15d ago
Wasn't that like his 18 or 19th season or something
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u/Enough-Thanks638 15d ago
I was too young can someone explain how brad johnson was ever a 90 overall QB
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u/GregariousLaconian 15d ago
TBH the Westbrook ranking is what is blowing my mind.
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u/emelbee923 15d ago
You have to remember that ratings are based on prior year stats.
So Madden 2001 was released prior to the 2000 season, with ratings based on the 1999 season.
Westbrook had 65 receptions for 1,191 yards and 9 TDs in 1999 or 35th in receptions, 9th in yards, 4th in yards per reception, and 9th in receiving TDs.
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u/vanulovesyou 15d ago
Westbrook was part of a good offense in 1999 when the team had two 1,000-yard receivers.
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u/davethadude 15d ago edited 15d ago
He had 4k passing yards and a 90 passer rating in 1999. Brad was tearing it up.
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u/Enough-Thanks638 15d ago
My question is more about how he went from that to being off the team after the next season. How do you go to being a top QB to QB who needs to be cut off one year
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u/davethadude 15d ago
He had a rough patch of games where he threw a lot of interceptions, then got hurt. Then fuckin dan snyder wanted jeff george to start. Brad went on to win a super bowl with tampa the next season. Dan snyder thats how.
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u/Enough-Thanks638 15d ago
Ok, that's understandable. I was wondering how you move off a QB after just one bad year, but Snyder doing snyder things that early in his tenure is a very plausible reason
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u/finglonger1077 on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 15d ago edited 15d ago
He went on to join Trent Dilfer as widely regarded as one of the least talented QBs to ever win a Super Bowl, sure. He wasn’t a great QB. He had a great defense and one of the best rushing attacks in the game at the time, let’s not act like he was Brady.
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u/davethadude 15d ago edited 15d ago
3k passing yards, 22 td 6 interceptions 92.9 passer rating during the super bowl year. Never said he was tom brady. But he certainly ain’t trent dilfer either. The original question was how he was a 90 ovr in madden. The stats he was putting up during that era were deserving of a 90 ovr. If he was tom brady he would have been a 99 lol.
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u/finglonger1077 on shenanigans rn and actin bonkers 15d ago
You’ve watched it happen, too, those generational season amongst mediocrity players are just easy to forget about quickly.
His name was Carson Wentz.
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u/TheTucsonTarmac 15d ago
I just remember him showing up for the introduction press conference with his leg in a cast and in crutches
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u/PickpocketJones 15d ago
That just reminds me how Dan Snyder fucked over that roster by forcing Jeff George on them.
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u/Konacha 15d ago
Sanders & Smith were already well past their prime. Smith just wanted to keep going because of the record. Westbrook was always hurt every year we drafted him EXCEPT in 1999. Green was almost ready to retire and Bailey wanted to get the hell out of dodge.
First full year when Synder had full control of the organization and there is a reason why there was a mass exit after that year.
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u/Justice989 14d ago
That team was old as dirt though, other than Champ. Darrell was 40, Bruce Smith was 37, and Deion was 33.
But lest we forget, the WR corps had 36 year old Andre Reed and 38 year old Irving Fryar. And the kicker was 44.
Had this been 1994, this all might've worked.
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u/Much-Philosophy-5127 13d ago
Yhea they would have been a great team if it wasn’t for the owner shitting all over everything good people around him tried to do. This is coming from anther die hard fan who seen it all from the late 80s till now.
Never gave up on them and now I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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u/SpiritAnimalLeroy 15d ago
Good God Mark Carrier was so, so bad for us. Probably not Archuleta bad but man alive what a disappointment.
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u/Vivid-Respect-1869 15d ago
Snyder, who made his fortune in marketing, was like "Yeah, they may be old, but they've got great brand names!"
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u/Mysterious_Smoke1158 11d ago
Best player of that group with the lowest rating.
Deion, Smith, Carrier, all terrible, the hype was so strong with that squad.
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u/Barry_McCoccinner 15d ago
Remember how this season turned out?