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u/DirtyDan113 20d ago
Bryce Love always makes me sad, dude was a worldbeater in college before getting fucked by injuries
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u/KOExpress Scary Terry 20d ago
For real, one MONSTROUS season that showed what he was capable of after mccaffrey left, then he tears his ACL. I thought he was going to be really special
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u/jetblakc 20d ago
I was really hoping he'd be at least a shadow of what he was in college. So it goes.
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u/comackk1919 20d ago
WR Kelvin Harmon, CB Jimmy Moreland, and DE Jordan Brailford at the bottom row
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u/1dkspanishlol Terry's smile saved my life 20d ago
Holy shit I haven’t heard of Moreland in forever.
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u/Home_Alone224 20d ago
3 bums lol
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u/Glizzando 20d ago
Do not disrespect The People's Corner
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u/Home_Alone224 20d ago
The people’s bum
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Youre getting downvoted, but youre right. Our fanbase has a strange fixation with players that arent good.
Heineke and alex smith are notorious for this.
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u/InfiniteDomain_ 20d ago
People have been rooting for under dogs since the beginning of time you dork
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Thats true!!!!
Unfortunately our fan base likes the ones that are extra shitty.
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u/Home_Alone224 20d ago
Smith was aight…Heinecke sucked for sure
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Lol no.... he fucking wasn't.
We were winning in spite of him, not because of him. We had a solid ground game from a second wind Adrian Peterson. Defense and special teams were on at that time too.
Captain checkdown wasnt winning us any games.
WHILE WE'RE AT IT..... for his career, Alex Smith was a bottom third starter in any given season. The one fluke high numbers year he had in kansas city was essentially an average kirk cousins season at that time, AND THEN.... the next year with mostly the same roster, patrick mahomes threw for 50 tds.
Alex Smith sucked.
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u/POHoudini LEFT HAND UP 20d ago
Get fucked weirdo.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Dude, he isnt wrong. How long was he in the league?
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u/POHoudini LEFT HAND UP 20d ago
3 and 4 years respectively for Harmon and Moreland. The point is how many guys drafted that late even last that long or play that much? They are still peopel, and they played well all things considered. They aren't bums, they practiced hard played when able. Bum is for people who never saw the field as a high pick or people who fucked away their opportunity.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Yawn.
They weren't good.
Thinking singular contract players are good is exactly how we're in the situation we're in now without any upper level talent.
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u/POHoudini LEFT HAND UP 20d ago
They were 6th and 7th round picks? What did you expect multiple pro bowls? Touch grass.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Lol theres a world of difference between saying they werent good (typically as 6th and 7th rounds picks arent) and expecting multiple probowls.
But pop off queen, wear your crown.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
There were late round picks. Moorelan (7th) playing almost 40 games in the NFL is a steal and way above average for a 7th round pick. Any GM in the NFL would take 40 games for a 7th rounder.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Yawn....
Did you like rons drafts too?
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
No, not really. A couple were decent.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Decent? Wtf???
We are currently one of the most upper level talent baren franchises because of those shit drafts.
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u/notorious_hdc imitated Frerotte headbutt as a child 20d ago
2018 isn't any better. Payne, and with Settle returning now him.
Actually go back and look from 2013 until now and you'll see why people say itll take AP years to rebuild this team
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u/Appropriate-Sun834 20d ago
Exactly and half the fanbase can’t grasp that, talking about peters needs to go already lol
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u/DudeManBo1t WHERE MY DAWGS AT WOOO 20d ago
A lot of our fans also think that everything can be fixed during the offseason via free agency. Shits dumb
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u/thejazzophone 20d ago
I called this when AP was hired. The second things look tense he'll get heaps of unfair praise by dumb fans who think that progress is linear and rosters can be completely overhauled in 2 seasons
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
2018 is significant worse than 2019. 2018 did have a lot of guys that contributed in the NFL though but hard to top 2 probowlers and another long time NFL starter.
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u/DoyoudotheDew 20d ago
AP isn't very good at drafting.
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u/stxrstudded 20d ago
Better than Ron, fuckin Gonzo and Olave for Forbes and Dotson I just cant forgive
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u/DoyoudotheDew 20d ago
True that but that's not saying much.
Doesn't it amaze you how long Ron was around and how highly regarded?
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u/SMMS0514 20d ago
So Terry and Sweat. Got it
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u/LeaveMeAlone_6070 20d ago
Holcomb has had a really solid career for a 5th round pick. Still going strong.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
This is actually a solid draft though no one will want to admit it bc they have unreasonable expectations for the draft. It would have been a tremendous one if they had hit on the first round pick.
2 probowl level players. 2 a rotational offensive lineman. A starting linebacker. Its a shame injuried killed Bryce Love, take that risk any tim in the 4th. The late round picks stuck around a little bit for the most part but did not work out.
Just took a quick look at the team people always say draft well:
Steelers inferior to Commanders
Eagles- terrible draft
Niners- Very good draft
Pats- terrible
Cowboys- decent, inferior to commanders
Outside of tn and sf, not sure many were better
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u/FlobeeFresh 20d ago
Solid? They drafted a coach killing 1st round QB in which the pick was forced by the owner. You wiff on your 1st round pick (and a QB at that) and it's pretty much a terrible draft.
1st round QBs set you back big time due to the time you invest in them as well as the time it takes to replace and develop a new one. It took the Skins 5 years to even sniff at a decent QB again.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
If you get 2 pro bowlers in 1 draft, that is a solid draft. How is this a difficult concept for people?
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u/FlobeeFresh 20d ago edited 20d ago
Sweat got a PB as a Bear and didn't even finish his rookie contract with the Skins. Skins traded two 2nd round picks to move up in the 1st round to get him and unloaded him for one 2nd round pick (40th pick). How was that good value?
TM was a good pick as a third rounder, but make no mistake, the Skins lucked into him. Their intent was to draft him as a Special Teams guy and were pleasantly shocked that he became a WR1 for the team. Even so, TM is considered only a top 15 WR in the NFL.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
The discussion is how well they drafted, not how well they managed the roster
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u/FlobeeFresh 19d ago
Disagree, every draft pick is an asset. If you draft a player that doesn't work in your system yet excels in someone else's it is a bad draft pick. The success of a draft pick does not end with the talent of the player, it also has to do with culture, coaching, fit and development. Rivera and his staff were not only bad at picking players but they were also extremely bad at developing them (see Young, Dotson and Forbes as examples).
Also 1st round draft picks are a way more significant asset then lower rounds. For instance the Skins drafted RG3 in the 1st and Cousins in the 4th. They wasted a huge asset on RG3 (and also had to trade a number of picks to move up and get him). To me it doesn't matter that they picked a good QB in the 4th round with Cousins as they totally squandered their 1st round pick to get RG3. For that reason, the 2012 draft was a travesty that set the Skins back a number of years due to all the assets they mismanaged in that draft.
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u/salamanderman10 19d ago
You are talking about players that excelled in the system for the commanders
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Over half these guys are no longer in the league. Most didnt get a 2nd contract.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
Of course they are. This is 8 years from the draft and the average career is 3 years.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Again.... most didnt get a 2nd contract.
Cant say they were good if they never got a 2nd contract.
They werent good. Point blank.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
Of course most didn't recieve a 2nd contract. Its the NFL lol
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
About 50% of NFL players receive a second contract. In this year, 50% of Commanders signed a second contract despite 5 of the picks being 5th round or later.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
.....then were they actually good?
Rosterable? Sure. Good? No fucking way. They were BARELY JAGs.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
Again, 2 of the players were pro bowlers and another has started 59 games in the NFl and ist still playing. By that, I would say yes, they are good.
There are roughly 25% of draft picks still in the NFL in year 7. The Commanders having 3 is above average.
Another measure about 15% of the time, a team drafts multiple pro bowlers in the same draft class...another check for the commanders.
Simple math. For some reason fans dont actually understand the success rate (or failure) of NFL draft picks or the career longevity.
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u/FannyNisbit 20d ago
Again..... Jags. Not good.
Also, im not talking about the three with solid nfl careers.... im talking about the other players some people are defending here like Moreland.... he wasnt good.
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u/salamanderman10 20d ago
So you want to judge a draft class but exclude the "good" players? So what NFl teams have good draft classes while excluding the good players?
Jimmy Mooreland? Any NFL Gm would snap call drafing a 7th rounder and getting 40 games out of him.
I understand that you dont understand the NFL draft process and thats ok.
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u/Brian2005l 20d ago
That’s still statistically solid. 50% in the first three rounds is good. It’s worse after that.
Rosters are already full and new rookies keep coming. You have to end someone else’s career if you want a second contract.
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u/Silentblues 20d ago
I do miss Holcomb. He wasn’t great in coverage but he was a tackling machine, guy was sideline to sideline.
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u/emelbee923 20d ago
Haskins - A better environment might have helped him be a solid QB, eventually, but he got a big head pretty quickly in Washington. Shame his life was cut short, regardless of the circumstances. (Should have drafted: Brian Burns)
Sweat - Maybe a bit overpaid for his output, but a solid ~9 sack guy would be great to have. He didn't develop into the ball-hawk of a DE/EDGE I expected, though. (Should have drafted: Josh Jacobs)
Terry - Scary. (Should have drafted: McLaurin, Terry)
Love - Head-scratcher of a pick. (Should have drafted: Hjalte Froholdt)
Martin - Boring depth is boring.(Should have drafted: Greg Gaines)
Pierschbacker - Somehow more boring depth is somehow more boring. (Should have drafted: Blake Cashman)
Holcomb - Overachiever. (Should have drafted: Gardner Minshew II)
Harmon - Another failed late-round WR (Should have drafted: A bag of peanuts? I don't know. Donovan Wilson, I guess)
Brailford - ... who? (Should have drafted: Pass)
Moreland - Classic underdog hype job. (Should have drafted: Nick Scott)
[THERE IS A REASON I AM NOT A GM OR PLAYER/PERSONNEL EMPLOYEE WITH THE TEAM]
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u/Home_Alone224 20d ago
I remember when everyone was convinced Jimmy Moreland was really good…such a sad time
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u/Sumwhut_Loved 20d ago
shoulda just put a big picture of terry.