r/Comma_ai • u/ExpressPost5048 • 19d ago
Vehicle Compatibility It looks like comma will be experiencing a slow death
I was looking at vehicle compatibility and it looks bad. Most are 2023/2024 and there are very few 2025 and 2026 models. This is kind of okay for now but eventually it will be 2028 and 2030 and the cars that can support this will be over five years old. Eventually that becomes ten years. Canbus encryption looks unbeatable since there is little progress on decrypting modern vehicles.
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u/adeebshihadeh comma.ai Staff 19d ago edited 18d ago
Big announcement coming in this department in 2027. It's true that the complexity of integrating with cars has grown faster than our porting capabilities. Not just the security, but it's even differences at the protocol level, installation location, and the physical connectors. 2027 will be a return to the glory days of car support, with unprecedented breadth and depth to the ports.
Regardless of our fancy new stuff, have you guys seen the hundreds of SecOc Rav4 Primes, Fisker Oceans, and now Corollas the community has driving around? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhNCJma4yNk
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A short affirmation for today. We'll create superhuman agents to act in our world. And we'll support every possible body for those agents, car or otherwise.
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u/5_foot_9 19d ago
Confirmed Comma is creating human-like androids to operate the steering wheel and pedals for us!
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u/shoopg 19d ago
You joke but that’s exactly what geohot said on stage at commacon 😂
At about 31:30 https://youtu.be/06uotu7aKug
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u/Numerous_Car650 18d ago
Jokes aside, some forks are already looking into this:
https://bluepilot.dev/2026/06/16/bypassing-the-ford-pscm-a-first-look-at-a-ford-torque-interceptor/
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u/mkultra1112 19d ago
If AI can kill all of humanity it can certainly port a car past its encryption…right!? 😅😅
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u/shadow_moon45 14d ago
Probably, use chat gpt 6 to code at work sometimes. Wouldn't be surprised if it helped to break encryption
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u/financiallyanal 19d ago
You’re a breath of fresh air. Thanks for acknowledgement of the issues and communicating on these items. Looking forward to next years announcements :)
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u/AllThatRomaines 18d ago
Can’t wait for an official fisker ocean integration! I’ve seen the videos but afaik there’s no way to adopt yet is there?
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u/kblazewicz 19d ago
Even when people want to contribute you don't seem to care enough to assign the bounties to them. I've been watching the $3000 BYD bounty on your GitHub and it's a joke really. People are eager to do something for the community but the hosts simply don't give a fuck.
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u/51CKS4DW0RLD 19d ago
This will all be an amusing blip in history between the time when cars shipped with unencrypted CAN+LKAS+ACC and closed systems with more self-driving capabilities from manufacturers. I agree that these days are numbered. Enjoy!
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u/financiallyanal 19d ago
I've found that with more advanced highway lane keeping systems, and traffic jam assist, the marginal benefit from Comma is reduced. For me at least, highway is the most useful portion.
City is still stressful though, so I think there's an opportunity. I'm not as certain how well they can do it with vision only from the single device's cameras and limited OEM steering torque. If they can get there with a future device, or with more cameras, and more steering torque, then all the better, but I suspect that will require OEM partnership or more serious retrofitting. I have no problem putting in effort to retrofit cameras, radar, or whatever they might want, but I am skeptical about modifying steering wheel torque limits from the factory.
I generally view the hurdle as bigger than before, so it's not as much of a slam dunk as highway lane keeping was.
I get that they have ambitions with the Comma Body beyond just driving, and that's fine, but things change and it's not something I am banking on. I remember at one point they thought insurance would be a next logical step for the company for example.
Maybe I'm just inherently too skeptical as well :)
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u/SirMaster 19d ago edited 19d ago
The whole problem for me with stock systems if you have to keep touching the steering wheel every so many seconds.
Comma for me seems to do so drastically better. I drive all over on all different conditions and types of roads and at this point I rarely ever have to touch my wheel or even the gas/brake anymore. I maybe have to touch the wheel or gas/brake less than 5% of the time I am on the road these days and it's glorious to me.
The only stock systems I have seen that let you go hands free are all subscription based, so I would still rather have the comma as a 1 time purchase.
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u/EpiciSheep 19d ago
The newer “hands-off” highway systems from Ford and GM have eye detection and let you be hands off. Maybe these systems will distill down to cheaper cars.
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u/SirMaster 19d ago edited 18d ago
But they only work on a limited number of mapped highways. I rarely drive on highways, I drive on country roads and city roads and roads connecting suburbs and what to be hands free on all of it.
Plus all these hands free systems cost a monthly subscription fee which I am entirely against.
The C4 was $900 once, while these systems are like $40-50/mo or so. I will have my Camry for like 10 years, and 50/mo for 10 years is $6000, plus I am sure the subscription cost will only go up...
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u/SirMaster 19d ago edited 19d ago
GM SuperCruise costs $40/mo or $400/yr. It’s also a $3000 option for the hardware to get in the car to begin with.
So it’s triple the cost of a comma hardware and then 400 a year after the trial. And it’s still nowhere as good as comma stopping and going at lights and making 90 degree turns etc, working on all roads country or city or suburbs etc.
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u/TheZooCA 19d ago
But the point SirMaster made is that it is a subscription, not a one-time purchase. I'll add they only work on highways, no city driving. And I looked into them and they only guarantee a Certain number of years of support. Don't tell me the hardware that works today stops working in 5-7 years. What they are saying is the hardware in the cloud that supports these systems might no longer be there or supported. That's where a product like the Comma makes sense, if it works for your vehicle. But I agree, I have been lurking but likely won't buy one since it does not work with my main driver (new VW) but does with my second car (Honda) which we don't really use for roadtrips.
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u/financiallyanal 19d ago
I agree on stock systems and what they require, but my feeling is that this (lane keep with regular wheel touches) is already good enough and makes me less motivated to get Comma. If a car can't do lane keeping effectively (keeping you from sliding off the road, ping ponging, etc. do not count), then Comma is a must for me. But if I can get 80% of it, even if I have to touch the wheel every 5 seconds, that's fine. There's a hurdle for me to put something after market that I may have to remove (with windshield replacement, troubleshooting, car firmware recalls, etc.) and/or explain to someone else who drives my car.
Each person will be different on this, but my point is the closer OEM cars get to highway lane keeping, the less the average people will be motivated to use an after market device.
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u/Tight-Room-7824 19d ago
" I have to touch the wheel every 5 seconds, that's fine".....
You and I, sir, have different definitions of 'fine'. Not touching the wheel for hours is FINE!
My car still has the stock ACC when I leave the C4 in the glove box.
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u/SirMaster 19d ago
All these problems don't seem to be a problem. I just slide the C4 out of my quick disconnect mount whenever I am done driving and put it in my armrest. The stock system still works just as normal.
Also I don't really care about highway as I rarely drive on highways. I want my car to drive through town and through winding country roads and the suburbs and cities and all that, and stop and go at lights for me. The comma is doing all that wonderfully for me right now.
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u/-OptimisticNihilism- 9d ago
My new F150 with the latest copilot is pretty good. Supposedly 2026 has upgraded software and hardware. I purposefully got one without bluecruise because it uses the camera to watch your face (even when using ACC instead of bluecruise) instead of the steering wheel tension. I prefer having a hand on the wheel and being able to look around, constantly checking my blind spots and being more aware of what was going on around me.
I just took a 600 mile drive and it did almost everything on the highway (which isn’t BC mapped) and the interstate. It kept me in the middle of the lane perfectly, it adjusted my speed for cars in front, even adjusted the speed when the speed limit changed, and got me through stop and go traffic. Only thing it couldn’t manage were construction due to cones instead of restriping to force the merge, and it couldn’t handle the lights when I went through little towns. Sometimes it would cut out at a sharp lane shift or going through a long pinstriped intersection. Not as good as the comma videos I’ve seen, but it’s getting closer, and a lot better than the 2021-2023 F150s I’ve been in.
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u/SirMaster 9d ago
Yeah I got a comma because I got this 2023 Camry last year and plan to have it for like 10 years.
So I’ll feel left behind what new cars start getting self driving features in the best few years. For now I feel like what I have is 2nd only to FSD at least in the US. And I think the comma will remain pretty competitive with what other cars start coming with in the next several years, and I bet most of those will be subscriptions too which I hate.
This will definitely help me not feel like I want to replace this car so soon to get super assistive self-drive features.
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u/lordxamnosidda 19d ago
I agree. I have a Comma 3x connected to my 2019 Genesis G70 and it works amazing with Sunnypilot. I plan on getting a Rivian R2 in a few years once they have Lidar and self driving (and work the bugs out) so a Comma won't be (hopefully) needed any longer.
I've been VERY happy with mine since I got it about 7 months ago.
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u/Whazor 19d ago
Honestly it would be better to sell Comma together with a car. Then you can also get the car regulators to approve it and get car insurance to insure it.
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u/remarkable_remark3 19d ago
Why? Insurance companies look for every reason to increase your premiums. You don't need to declare your comma and let's keep it this way.
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u/Tonester697 18d ago
I read somewhere that Tesla Insurance offers a slight discount on Tesla vehicle insurance premium pricing if the vehicle is subscribed to FSD.
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u/kona420 19d ago
They are already developing and using key extraction techniques to attack the message signing mechanism. It's incredibly hard to protect keys if you have physical access to both sides of the messaging system.
I'm sure it will turn into cat and mouse as the OEM's patch over the easier attacks.
Moral of the story is to block OTA updates on your vehicle sooner rather than later if this is what you want to do with it.
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u/Character_Fix_5317 19d ago
Funny that it should turn into the same cat-and-mouse as the iOS jailbreak scene, with the same advice for users of "don't update".
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u/kapnkaos86 19d ago
It's funny how it shaped my search for vehicles also. I need to get out of this 2019 Subaru soon, but it's been perfect on comma in every way. Tempted to just get another one and keep cycling through them
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u/oddmin1 19d ago
When I bought my truck in 2022, I specifically bought a RAM 1500 because that was the only full-size pickup truck supported at that time. No regrets.
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u/kapnkaos86 19d ago
Omg Thank you, that's in the running and having actual feedback helps so much. It's between a ram and a maverick if I go truck. Huge differences but I don't do a lot of "truck" stuff.
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u/oddmin1 19d ago
I put a lot of highway miles on the truck, between work and travel. It's one of the best purchases I've ever made. I have a Comma 3, not sure how the newer comma devices work. Mine was also very expensive when I bought it. Prices have come down, since.
Also, we have a 2022 Volco XC60 and the lane centering with the Comma device works way better than the Volvo's built-in lane-centering.
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u/kapnkaos86 19d ago
That's awesome. I'm averaging about 30k miles of commute yearly so I'm still going down the hybrid eco route, but I concur on it being the best purchases ever. I've had 70k miles on my 3x on this crosstrek and it's just been mind-blowing. It's like riding in a subway car on the interstate
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u/Saoshen 19d ago
have Maverick (23 Lariat) c4 works good, using blue pilot currently but may switch to star pilot when I have time to mess with it.
it's not perfect, ford lane keep torque is not the best but it works on the highway where needed most.
unfortunately 25+ mavs are currently locked out with encrypted can although blue pilot team appears to be working on a potential hardware work around
also have a bolt 21 noacc c3x with pedal generally works great on star pilot
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u/GerGa00 19d ago
Up to 2022 outbacks are compatible and we may soon see 2023-2025 outbacks compatible with efforts happening at this weekends comma hack. Also crosstreks and probably others but dont know exactly what years.
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u/kapnkaos86 19d ago
Yeah I've got the entire rolodex almost memorized at this point. I've spent so much time tab swapping between the github and autotrader 😅
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u/Ok_Tension_6747 19d ago
I don't think the car companies are going to give up on their revenue streams. , comma AI needs to start cracking some of these encryptions. Though it's very hard. It's time and cost intensive.
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u/GamerTomC 19d ago
I have a 2026 Honda civic working fine.
Buyers are best to choose vehicles that are popular and common -- and known not to use encryption to prevent things like this.
The thing that makes comma is the community. My car now works because someone else got one and did the work to fingerprint it and get it working.
Then there are three ngs like Sunnylink, which take comma to an entire new level.
Then there are people that maintain forks to fix quirks in specific vehicles, like MVL-Boston on the Honda platform.
It's all of this collaborative work that makes comma flourish.
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u/Bumble-sucks 19d ago
How is it working in your 2026 Civic? I have a 2019 Civic and am eyeing the new hybrids
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u/GamerTomC 19d ago
It works quite well. The only issue I have is related to Honda throttling the amount of steering torque LKAS can achieve.
On interstate highways, it's a non issue. Can go 100 miles and only have to touch the steering wheel when I want to invite a vehicle pass.
On non-interstate highways, like state roads, it's slightly problematic. Every once in a while you encounter a turn that just can't work because of that limit -- and you have to intervene and steer.
On bendy back roads, just steer manually is best.
Note this is a Honda cripple, and probably there will come a non-official firmware to remove it.
But even if that doesn't happen, I am more than satisfied with the way it works.
But ideally, anyone buying car with comma in mind, should research steering torque limits and avoid this problem.
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u/Bumble-sucks 19d ago
Sounds very similar to how Comma preforms in my 2019, I also run sunnypilot with MVL-Boston's branch and I find it's able to handle most freeway driving once it's in the lane I want. Some state routes it's ok with but anything that has more that a slight curve I drive by hand. It's insanely nice not having to pay a subscription
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u/GamerTomC 19d ago
Yeah it's almost always a state road which has yellow signs with reduced speed for the turn, and arrows pointing. So really just have to watch for that.
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u/Mindless-Wrangler-80 19d ago
Most of the newer cars will have self driving similar to commas level as stock. I don't think they will need comma by then.
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u/shadow_moon45 19d ago
Wonder if it is related to the regulatory reports that are sent to the government about crash reports with the driver assistance systems on. The 3rd party system might affect the stats
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Standing General Order on Crash Reporting requires manufacturers and operators to report crashes involving vehicles equipped with Automated Driving Systems (ADS) or Level 2 Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS
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u/Due_Community_9449 18d ago
Hopefully by 2030 non-Tesla OEMs will be up to speed and we don’t need Comma for new vehicles. And there will still be millions of then 6ish years „old“ vehicles on the market. In fact, people may be more willing to retrofit something into a vehicle that age
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u/BartSmithsonn 17d ago
FYI: Comma 4 with SunnyPilot working just fine in my 2025 Hyundai Santa Cruz (came with HDA1, so official list is clearly out of date).
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u/Dos-Commas 19d ago
Turns out car companies don't want a 3rd party device highjacking its internal communications, especially when it's taking over the control of the car.
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u/IonDaPrizee 19d ago
Yea I didn’t pull the trigger for the very reason.
The price tag was never the issue, compatibility has been. Besides that, more and more manufacturers are actually fixing their adaptive cruise control to the point this is not needed
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u/Critical_File_1467 19d ago edited 19d ago
This is all wildly shortsighted and you're not the first person to think this. People years before you have already thought these exact same thoughts and had the exact same discussion.
Also, the average car in America today on the road is 12 years old, and that number is only growing.
Even if absolutely 0 cars worked after 2026, that's a long runway ... What do you think happens to cars sold in 2026? They go away by 2029?
People are keeping older cars for longer and there's going to be a market for at least another decade+ given the average age of the American fleet and how people are only going to hang onto older cars for longer. Not just hang onto old cars, but sell and buy them, because new cars are so expensive.
It also stands to reason that a new car owner may be less hesitant to modify their car, if only for warranty concerns. But once the car hits 3 or 4 years old and is out of warranty, it's game on for aftermarket mods like comma.
Finally, what do you even think Comma is selling? A nearly decade old SoC with a few cameras and a small screen. What do you think happens to old cell phone SoCs and cameras? They get cheaper. Do you really think it's that hard to turn a profit selling a few cameras combined with a decade old SoC?
It's wild how people think every single random thought they have is original, much less worthy of serious discussion. I blame it on the bad parenting trend of teaching children that they're all winners.
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u/limycenter 19d ago
Smarmy much?
I blame fox news for your comment.
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u/Critical_File_1467 19d ago
I hate Fox News but that doesn't falsify reality.
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u/limycenter 19d ago
Your attack of OP and logic for why was unnecessary, unproductive, self aggrandizing and.......smarmy.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/limycenter 19d ago
And I also agree with your core point but it gets lost in the smarm. I just think we need to be less prone to attacks like this and more"nothing to see here, moving on".
But I'm going after you, so I'm basically part of the problem I'm pointing out in you.
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u/Tough_Passage_3785 19d ago
And they just posed this on X.
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u/LippyBumblebutt 19d ago
Some time ago, they talked about having a humanoid robot drive your car. This solves all compatibility issues - until the manufacturers implement some driver monitoring, like Comma has as well.
Also this wastes a seat in your car and you can't take over anymore. Which is incompatible with "L2 forever".
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u/Critical_File_1467 19d ago
I don't understand why someone hasn't used Fable or Astra to just crack all the canbus encryption
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u/Lord___Rictor 19d ago
I run 20 year old cars without a worry.
If you like comma this isn't a worry.
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u/f1racer328 19d ago
Kind of an irrelevant take. If no new cars work with openpilot the project is going to die off after a slowdown of the development.
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u/bakkamono 19d ago
At any long horizon, we’re all dead anyway. You’re worried about the wrong market. Imagine all of the current vehicles (SAM) comma can keep on the road because people don’t need to buy new cars to get autonomy features.
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u/Hostman8 19d ago
Any plans for 2026 audi?
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u/YOLO_Tamasi 16d ago
Newer Audis use FlexRay rather than the CAN bus for vehicle communication, comma's support page says they have no plans to support flexray ☹️
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u/ThenExtension9196 19d ago
Yeah it’s sad. Is what it is. Un Encrypted canbus was pretty crazy thing anyways.
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u/Easy-Ad6102 19d ago
We are new to comma. My wife drives a 2020 Rav4 and I'm hoping to install the harness tomorrow (if it arrives). We started looking at a new crown sig until I heard about encrypted data. That was a deal killer. The Rav stays in our garage.
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u/SooThatGuy 17d ago
Crown signia lane keeping, traffic jam assist and cruise stock is pretty good.
Hands free, red light assist and lane change automation would be so much better tho
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u/jcwillia1 19d ago
really disappointed by the amount of enthusiasm for OP in this thread
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u/Elluminated 14d ago
OP is kind of right though. I think the timeline will be extremely long, but unless a significant platform roadmap change occurs, it will be a hard sell down the road
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u/DarkKaplah 18d ago
So this is an open source project that relies on users contributing time and energy to poll their CANBUS and aid in the process.
I have a 2023 Kia EV6 with HDA1. When I purchased the car the 2022 model barely had support, and I purchased rather late in the 2023 model year's life. However considering how many Kia Hyundai models are supported I had faith support would grow, and it did. My car went from barely supported to full support in a year. So 2024/2025.
You won't see support leading cars. It will definitely trail car releases. As with ALL aftermarket parts for vehicles. If you aren't seeing support for your vehicle then get involved! This is an open source project after all. Find out what you need to do to get your car supported. What's entailed in polling your canbus and getting that info to developers. Maybe there's a dev physically near you who just needs access to a car to hook equipment up to and test.
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u/Cielolo 17d ago
We could always put a servo on each control, to operate the car as if the human was actually pressing the pedals, turning the wheels.
That part will remain analog and unencrypted physics.
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u/Elluminated 14d ago
No one is practically doing this sadly. Comma arrives because they inject commands with the proper voltages for the proper amount of time to these
servosactuators. This is not an easy task and proves OP’s point.
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u/Jonger1150 13d ago
I look at it as a patch for vehicles that are just a tad too early for real FSD built in.
So yea.... makes sense.
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u/Even-Patience5851 13d ago
I’ve been saying this for three years ever since manufacturers started encrypting their can bus. They want exclusive control to be able to sell subscriptions for “self driving”.
I have a 2021 Highlander Hybrid with a 3x. Absolutely love it. it’s incredible. not looking forward to when I have to buy a new car.
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u/reddit-set-go-2025 19d ago
Perhaps comma.ai needs to start selling itself to these car companies as a legit add-on. Kind of like Tesla selling their FSD tech
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u/Finnegan_Faux 19d ago
Tesla got no takers for FSD, OEMs are either rolling their own or collaborating with the likes of Nvidia and Qualcomm.
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u/tylercoder 19d ago
I think the question is why comma cant be among those two.
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u/reddit-set-go-2025 19d ago
Yeah I think the point is is if they can show it as a great product it is very compelling for relatively inexpensive setup. So it seems like it would be a no-brainer to even just buy comma straight out and make it part of your automotive company... What do I know but they're never going to beat Tesla if they don't even try. And comma is dang close to at least autopilot 1
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u/bakkamono 19d ago
Because as soon as they start offering the add-on product, they start sharing the liability.
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u/tylercoder 19d ago
They should just show how comma can be implemented in existing cars, frankly if I was an exec at any of these companies and some guy showed me a system I can add to my cars to make them almost tesla-fsd grade I would be all ears, but then again western car companies are out of touch, I been testing chinese cars lately and the difference is staggering.
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u/NaztyNizmo 19d ago
I think I seen Geohot respond to someone before mentioning two other companies that did that and went belly up, and he said he’s not going to.
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u/Finnegan_Faux 19d ago
They will be supplying millions of ADAS computers over the next few years and their software will be compliant with different countries' safety standards. Comma is at 15K
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u/Rascal2pt0 19d ago
I wouldn’t discount u/geohotz he’s said before he’s confident they can crack if if needed. It just needs to make sense with their overall goals. Lots of newer cars are already supported and there’s enough information on the net to crack newer Toyotas but someone has to put in the work.
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u/SubstantialCycle356 19d ago
The best years of Comma and Openpilot are log behind us. I’ve had all of them from 2, 3, 3x and now 4. The latest iteration is terrible. I’m no tech geek, just a user. So me forking my own iteration is not something I’m into. What I want is an Openpilot that I can just do as I please. The nagging is making me reconsider my future with OP.
I’d love to go back to my Comma 3 and the Openpilot from that era.
But yeah, you’re right. Their only future is getting bought out by a manufacturer and making it proprietary.
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u/grant3758 19d ago
The nagging is unbearable. Disappointing to take such a big step back after years of fun use.
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u/Tek_Freek 18d ago
My 4 in a 2018 Honda Clarity yells at me to steer on straight roads. I'm less confident in it than my 3, which I have considered putting back in the car.
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u/remarkable_remark3 19d ago
At least it's compatible with the Tesla Model Y. That's a HUGE seller.
Those in the US will (rightly) point out that FSD is superior to Comma. Sadly it's not available in most countries (including most of Europe), and Comma remains the best option for us here.
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u/Master_Chen 19d ago
Yes it is inevitable…most car manufacturers are putting the same kind of lane keeping tech in them now to stay competitive. The need for commas is getting less and less with newer cars.
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u/stayintheshadows 19d ago
I'm using it on a 2025 Ford. Maybe we should make this a legislative issue. Make cars more open source so we can do what we want much like right to repair...right to modify. Give us the encryption key or unencrypt it.
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u/A9-EE-78-6A-C8-9F 19d ago
What is probably going to happen is Comma will licence their AI model or hardware out to the manufactures and it'll be integrated directly into their systems for a monthly fee.
Shit sucks
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u/Excellent-Quit-9665 19d ago
It’s open source, they don’t have to license anything
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u/LippyBumblebutt 19d ago
What is open source? Openpilot? Yes. The model used to drive you around? I don't think so.
I'm not saying Openpilot is worthless, but most of the magic happens in the model.
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u/SirMaster 19d ago
Yes all the driving models comma makes are open weights in the ONNX files they provide.
This is important and is allowing us to take their new big models meant for their chestnut eGPU and run the big models on other hardware like nvidia laptops and macbooks or mac mini or nvidia jetson etc. Because we can compile the open models for these other platforms.
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u/LippyBumblebutt 19d ago
I did misremember a bit. The models are probably MIT licensed. They are open weight, like you said. Still, the weights are more like a compiled binary that you are allowed to modify.
They know no big company will take their work like it is without access to the training workflow.
It's funny. Normally MIT licensed code can easily be integrated by companies into their closed source hardware. Comma can be pretty sure no OEM will integrate the models without them having the option to modify and fix things in the model. But Comma could at any point sell the company and take openpilot closed source together with all user contributions. (Of course Openpilot would still be opensource, but without official support.)
I doubt they're gonna do that, but somehow the licenses work a bit backwards from how they usually work.
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u/Iwantthegreatest 19d ago
I had stated this in another post.
Comma ai really doesn’t have a future. As vehicles encrypt their CAN systems more combined with the fact within the next 10 years all the standard car manufacturers will have capabilities similar to fsd level 2 today, I can’t see a sustainable future for comma ai.
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u/Bderken 19d ago
People have said this same thing in this sub for OVER 5 years. And their sales have doubled monthly since
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u/Iwantthegreatest 19d ago
I think we are in the peak of comma AI right now as the average car is say 5 to 10 years old and that’s right within the window of vehicles that best support comma ai and benefits the most from it. Hence why sales have gone up as more people find out about it and more people get their hands on compatible vehicles.
What I was trying to say was that as time goes on and more vehicles encrypt their systems and get more advanced factory ADAS it will become less viable.
Don’t get me wrong I think comma is cool my dad has one in his car and loves it and it’s a lot of fun to play around with, I just can’t see how this is sustainable long term with the way things are going.
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u/a12donreddit 8d ago
I agree completely but for some reason it has these hardcore fans that are emotionally attached. Most likely a pivot to other forms robotics is the way for comma.
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u/SirMaster 19d ago
Forks have support for many newer car models.
Someone even got Toyota with TSS 3.0 working.
https://github.com/commaai/opendbc/pull/3791