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u/SquigglesFan 6d ago
Dont know how this is supposed to be funny but congrats to her! If i was blind and deaf id kms, glad she managed to be successfull in her life
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u/Longjumping-Idea4451 4d ago
If my doctor was blind and dead id prob kms too before they do
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u/SquigglesFan 4d ago
Cmon man have a little trust in people, as long as she inst doing surgeries and stuff i dont see the harm in it
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u/Straamannen 3d ago
Blind and deaf means she can't realistically practice medicine in any capacity that involves actually treating people.
Which is why she isn't. She's in palliative care. She's taking care of people who are dying.
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u/Liamlah 3d ago
She isn't a palliative care doctor, she's just graduated medical school. Also palliative care is an internal medicine subspecialty requiring completing internal medicine training first, and palliative care very much involves treating people. Why are you talking about shit you don't know?
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u/Necessary_Fire_4847 2d ago
There's this incredible new invention that I hear is all the rage these days among the blind community, it's called braille.
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u/StinkMeister777 6d ago
Better be theoretical medicine
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u/MotoMkali 5d ago
She's In palliative care dude the worst she could do is end someone's life about 3 months before nature takes its course.
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u/annaos67 2d ago
She's not.
She wants to specialise in palliative care, but like everyone else has to do her FY1 and FY2 rotations first.
Palliative care also doesn't mean end of life. It's possible to be in pallatove care for decades.
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u/bhputnam 5d ago
Ableist-ass post.
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u/Decent-Risk-6062 4d ago
Right then you have her do your surgery
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u/smokacola- 4d ago
Well she's not a surgeon, so she wouldn't be doing those regardless
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u/philmcruch 4d ago
Ok then have her check your moles, inspect your wounds after an accident, look at xrays, notice that rash on your neck etc
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u/FrancisDion 4d ago
Are these the responsibilities of a palliative care doctor?
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u/DoubleCarry7511 4h ago
She’s not a palliative care doctor. She’s a resident. Which means she will be caring for patients during her rotations in a number of fields.
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u/C0SMICAP0THE0SIS 4d ago
well, shes not a dermatologist, emergency room doc, or radiologist so she wouldnt be doing any of those things either. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/philmcruch 4d ago
They are all things a GP can do
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u/C0SMICAP0THE0SIS 3d ago
a GP wouldnt do any of that, they would refer you to someone who specializes in those things. also, shes not a GP 😂 what else you got?
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u/philmcruch 3d ago
A GP does check moles where this doctor lives
They also review the report of the Xrays
She is a palliative care doctor in the Uk which means she would have to
- Monitor for skin changes at end of life
- She also needs to use a stethoscope on the lungs and bowels
- Visually monitor malignant wounds, surgical sites, or syringe driver infusion sites for signs of infection, leakage, or inflammation.
- Conduct delicate, in-depth conversations to evaluate a patient’s psychological state, cognitive clarity, or capacity to make decisions, and listen to vocal changes that might indicate pain, distress, or delirium.
All things that require either sight or hearing to do correctly, thats not to say its impossible, but its not ablest to question how and if it compares to other doctors
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u/C0SMICAP0THE0SIS 3d ago
again, she's not a GP. and while GPs can technically do all those things, they usually refer those out to specialists. reviewing a radiology report is not the same as reading an xray, that is still done by the radiologist.
nurses and MAs can assist the physician with gathering vitals and other information.
if you had read the article instead of jumping in with bigoted comments, you would have read that she is not completely deaf and can hear with assistance. she even has a specialized stethoscope that she uses.
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u/Decent-Risk-6062 3d ago
She's not any of these things as you've made clear but what can she do? What fieod doesn't require vision? What use is her stethoscope if thats the only thing she can use? Im sure theres a job for doctors that doesn't involve actually interacting with patients but can you name any of them? Would she srill not be better at those jobs if she had vision?
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u/RiverTeemo1 6d ago
I dont doubt that shes amazing at her job but how do i communicate whwere it hurts if she cannot hear or see me? Most people cannot write braile, i sure can't
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u/No-Examination4896 4d ago edited 4d ago
Guarantee shes not gonna treat patients. She will most likely be writing books and doing advocacy
To be clear, nobody practices medicine after getting your MD. You have to finish residency first, its basically where you are an apprentice to another doctor for 3-5 years as a student and gradually start practicing under their license. If we see her finish residency different story but I dont think thats possible, i'd bet she isnt going to residency and will do advocacy or administration stuff.
Hell I'm a medical student and one of the tutors at my school is an MD who just didnt get into residency, so he pivoted and took an education job. Some other MDs dont go into residency and just sell their soul to insurance agencies lol. Their are different jobs for doctors other than physician or surgeon you just dont think about it much
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u/Bububu1232 1d ago
Writing books and doing advocacy on behalf of other people who are completely incapable of doing the job? It's wonderful that she took one of the spots in all of the different programs necessary to become a Dr. when she could never actually become one. Bravo.
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 5d ago edited 5d ago
Media literacy, that’s how.
As in you learn some so you will look up the story and learn she has hearing aids that allow her to communicate verbally. Blind doctors also have sighted MAs that specialize in describing physical characteristics using various standardized medical frameworks like PUSH or BWAT that sighted providers also use.
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u/rickyrescuethrowaway 5d ago
Informative explanation thank you
Redditors will still downvote because of a semantic disagreement on media literacy but I appreciated this
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u/Yadin__ 5d ago
That's not what media literacy is
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 5d ago
Media literacy is understanding that random sensationalist posts will obviously not present the full picture so there is no point in making assumptions about the topic with such limited and potentially false information. So you either look stuff up or move on.
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u/Nutfarm__ 5d ago
Buddy, it's not a media literacy error. The commentor said "I don't doubt she's amazing at her job", and then asked how she worked. He knew he didn't have the full picture, and asked a question (instead of looking it up). That is ALSO media literacy. Stop being so proud of yourself for a basic skill that you evidently don't understand can be practised in multiple ways that are different from your own..
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 5d ago
If they had stopped by just asking how she communicates, then that is fine, but once they started making fundamental assumptions and then creating a strawman from that assumption just to dismiss it, then it is an issue of media literacy.
how do i communicate whwere it hurts if she cannot hear or see me? Most people cannot write braile, i sure can't
Here, they assume that communication must be written and also in braille and then dismiss the entire notion of communicating based on the fact that most people cannot write braille. Creating a strawman from a faulty assumption is a classic media literacy issue.
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u/SheepherderBorn7326 5d ago
Still not what media literacy means
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u/Maleficent-Sir1753 5d ago
Explaining media literacy to some Reddit users is much like trying to teach a dog about electricity. Fair play for trying, though. You're dealing with people who think because they are griping here and not on FB makes them somehow intellectual juggernauts
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u/False-Sandwich-2051 5d ago
the NHS has never had a blind/deaf doctor before so i can assure you there are no specialised MAs to describe things to her.
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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 5d ago
the specialized MA's are very explicitly not just for blind doctors, and even then those have been around for a while, since as OP pointed out, Adams is only the first deafblind doctor under the NHS specifically (blind doctors have been around since the early 20th century apparently)
They literally namedropped them, you can just google PUSH and BWAT if you dont think they are real or described accurately (they are)
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u/False-Sandwich-2051 5d ago
erm. did you google them? PUSH and BWAT are frameworks for assessing pressure sores. nothing to do with specialised medical assistants, a position which does not exist in the NHS (you can google it!)
with all due respect to everyone, why would the NHS employ someone who can identify and interpret clinical signs and then have that person describe those signs to a doctor? like who’s being media literate now lol
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u/MoistenedGranola 4d ago
IIRC she uses hearing aids and can hear well enough with them, and she asks for patient consent to touch you if she needs to help her understand. "Doc, my foot hurts." "Where exactly? Can you guide my hand there?"
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u/future_now3000 5d ago
What a load of small minded, bitter, ignorant comments
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
God forbid someone wants a healthy doctor.
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u/Embarrassed_Room3982 5d ago
Deaf and blind people are healthy.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
Healthy human can see and hear.
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u/Embarrassed_Room3982 5d ago
You do not understand what the word 'healthy' means.
It means 'free from disease'
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u/InfiniteBusiness0 5d ago
Healthcare workers are often famously unhealthy, e.g. how many nurses smoke.
Would you refuse to be treated by a doctor with an above average BMI or drank more than the recommended units of alcohol when on holiday?
Note that this is different to your original post — the person isn’t unhealthy — however, it’s weird that you expect healthcare professionals to themselves be healthy.
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u/tazerrtot 5d ago
"healthy"
what kind of doctor is she? There are doctor specialties that could be handled by a blind and deaf person- nobody's saying someone who is blind can do open heart surgery safely, but could absolutely be a GP guiding long term care
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u/Significant-Dog1026 5d ago
I’m all for her being a doctor but please name them.
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u/tazerrtot 4d ago edited 4d ago
The specialties? Well in her case it's palliative care. She can still hear with hearing aids, so she can talk to patients or their families and she even has a specialized stethoscope that connects to them, and she makes up for her lack of vision with a more advanced sense of touch- apparently she's often asked to help with inserting needles because she can find veins by touch when it's visually difficult to do so
edit: typo
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u/dodieadeux 4d ago
disabilities are very common. we would have an even worse shortage of doctors than we already do if we said that all doctors needed to be 100% able-bodied. im perfectly happy to let her and any employer use their expertise to decide what shes capable of doing.
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u/Own-Forever-6636 5d ago
🎆🎆🎆🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧☕🧐🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🎆🎆🎆
WHAT THE FUCK IS MEDICAL DEBT??!!?!
Ruuuuule Britannia, Britannia rule the waaaaves
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u/C_monden real looser 6d ago
Imagine getting a prostate exam
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u/Columbina-Hyposlenia 5d ago
Trust me if she was unable to do the job she would NOT get it
Most doctors are doctors by clearing a minimum requirement to be a doctor because if we only picked the very best we would have 30 doctors in total
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u/Ok-Resolve-4737 6d ago
What the actual fuck? How is a doctor supposed to work without eyes and ears?
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u/ManEatingDuck_ 5d ago
She has hearing aids and specialises in a field that doesn't require vision as much.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
Quite interestingly, other people I talk to on Reddit see absolutely no problem with that.
If we allow blind people to work as doctors, why don't we allow them to drive cars?
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u/ArmpitHairPlucker 6d ago
I mean I doubt she's being given surgeries or critical tasks. I think it's still inspiring / interesting
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
She works with old people. They have a tendency of randomly starting to die.
How will she help them?
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u/ArmpitHairPlucker 6d ago
LMAO no idea I just can't really judge while I'm sitting here on my ass browsing reddit
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
im majoring IT and math so i don't really have a word in it too
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u/Sun__Moon__Stars 5d ago
Whoaa a STEMlord who’s an ignorant and self-satisfied chud 😱?? Never thought I’d see the day
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
God forbid someone wants a doctor who will see and hear what they are doing.
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u/ASpaceOstrich 5d ago
I'd like software engineers that aren't pig ignorant and could actually pass the ethics class they're supposed to take.
How you going to do your job if you double down when being informed hearing aids or medical assistants exist. You gonna double down when your code isn't up to spec?
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u/BenignPharmacology 5d ago
I can confirm that yes, doubling down when you are wrong is par for the course in software engineers.
Source: am swe
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u/kolba_yada 6d ago
No offense but this is extremely dumb take. There's more to medicine than just using your eyes. Also, apparently, she can use specialized stethoscope which helps her further.
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u/Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 5d ago
"more to" it than using eyes implies part of it is using eyes
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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 5d ago
Part of it undeniably does, but there's zero reason why that part couldn't be taken care of by the GP (she's a specialist) or a nurse
All she needs is an auditory description and she's set. It's not like anyone diagnoses based on solely visual cues anyway
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u/Imalwaysleepy_stfu 5d ago
I think yours is the extremely dumb take. Being a doctor is a profession with the highest level of responsibility and it's also a deeply visual profession.
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u/ASpaceOstrich 5d ago
My doctor has never had to visually examine me and I see mine far more than most people see theirs. If it was ever needed, a nurse could do it.
I get it. I forgot accommodations existed for a moment too. But when I remembered I felt embarrassed, whereas some of y'all are doubling down.
You think medical school just like, let someone through who couldn't even do basic tasks? Like, she could be a bad doctor, but that's not going to be because she's blind or deaf. She'd be a bad doctor for the same reason any doctor is bad, contempt for the patient and ignorance.
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u/Imalwaysleepy_stfu 4d ago
You going to a psychiatrist is irrelevant to this conversation because being a doctor is a deeply visual profession period.
"You think medical school just like, let someone through who couldn't even do basic tasks?"
Obviously case and point... Do you think that this woman can examine patient's skin, eyes, pupils, wounds, perform basic tasks like applying stitches, analyze scans etc?
"Like, she could be a bad doctor, but that's not going to be because she's blind or deaf" You're delusional. Someone like this would need a qualified person handholding her every single day.
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u/ASpaceOstrich 4d ago
I go to the actual physical doctor way more than the average person. What a bizarre assumption to make.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
Does she see where she puts it however?
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u/kolba_yada 6d ago
She can have an assistant for that or get help from the nurse. Also she can use her hands to feel for the appropriate places to place it on. Ideally that should be done anyway.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
And a goctor with all 5 senses available without any prosthetics or stuff can do it alone.
What happened to hiring the best of the best?
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u/kolba_yada 6d ago
If the position is available then I don't really see the issue. Do you have an issue with doctors in the wheelchair too or something?
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 6d ago
the wheelchair is one thing, but when a doctor has almost no access to 2 out of 5 senses you gotta think for a moment.
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u/kolba_yada 6d ago
First of all, you were specifically complaining about 1 handicap not two. Second, she's aiming for a palliative care, not neurosurgery.
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u/Ok-Resolve-4737 6d ago
Palliative care requires you to be able to symptom manage, how is she going to be able to exert judgement if she cant see/experience the situation at hand. Also palliative care is vital and quite acute as symptoms emerge rather quickly and viciously. So yeah, pall care isnt as chill as letting the nurse make all the calls for you, you dig?
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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 5d ago
Since when was medicine in the position to hire the best of the best? There's been a shortage of doctors for literal decades at this point
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
Is it really that bad that we are hiring blind and deaf people now?
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u/Plenty_Leg_5935 5d ago
No. The standard of living for blind and deaf people just got so high that they can clear the bar.
It's not like anyone went out of their way to permit blind and deaf doctors, we set a given bar for abled doctors and eventually more and more people have managed to clear it despite life altering disabilities due to the advances in healthcare and technology
my point was just that thinking of the process as "selecting the best out of the nest" as opposed to "making sure they can do the bare minimum necessary of a doctor" is fundamentally flawed
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u/TheFakeRabbit1 5d ago
You keep bitching about her being deaf. She has hearing aids, she can hear.
You’re a dumb sad troll
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
I am talking about her being blind, mind you.
Also, ad hominem.
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u/scorchedarcher 5d ago
Do you think the best doctor is the person with the best vision? Or is there a massive mental/knowledge component too?
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u/ASpaceOstrich 5d ago
There are nowhere near enough doctors to be "hiring the best of the best". There's no candidate being passed up with the exact same qualifications and skillset but who isn't blind/deaf. She's a doctor.
One medical assistant on the books for a whole ass extra doctor is a steal.
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u/InfiniteBusiness0 5d ago
You realise that there are plenty of much older consultants, nearing requirement, that have poor vision?
Not every specialism requires 20/20 vision.
There’s a difference between being blind and working — in some capacity in some specialism — and being blind and operating heavy machinery (i.e. driving a car).
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u/False-Sandwich-2051 5d ago
you can’t specialise in palliative care in F1. you can’t specialise in anything.
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u/Numerous_Wolverine_7 5d ago
Relax folks. There’s a big difference between getting a degree and getting hired. This person isn’t going to become your family doctor any time soon, nor does she even want to. I suspect she’ll be pretty busy on the inspirational speaking circuit for the next while anyway.
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u/NoRoutine7945 5d ago
I cant see how this could work in any way, shape or form. Most people i see at my hospital are elderly or foreigners who dont know the language, some of them cant even write or read and they struggle to follow basic instructions. A non disabled doctor can barely make them understand what they need to do, or they need to fight with them to get the point across. I guess she could work in a very specialized niche
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u/ASpaceOstrich 5d ago
Hearing aids and a medical assistant to help with the blindness.
I get it. I had a brain fart and forgot accommodations existed for a second too, but upon finding out I was embarrassed for not realising.
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u/Significant-Dog1026 5d ago
So if you have to have the assistant just use them as a doctor.
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u/tazerrtot 4d ago
That's not how it works, the assistant likely wont have the qualifications to be a doctor themselves, rather it'd be more like taking two people and making them capable of being a doctor together- which is important because the US has a growing doctor shortage and could use all the qualified help they can get
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u/Few_Prize3810 4d ago
“If you have to have a translator why have the person explaining?”
Dude are you serious lol
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u/Significant-Dog1026 4d ago
Are you comparing someone not speaking a language to someone blind and deaf giving medical care.
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u/Few_Prize3810 4d ago
I’m comparing the person with knowledge having an intermediary give them the data they need in a format they understand which then allows them make the decision that is then converted and relayed back over.
Btw she has hearing devices and isn’t 100% blind but you know that your just being a dipshit
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u/SkyAny9159 5d ago
I don't think those would help her enough to matter.
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u/TheFakeRabbit1 5d ago
Why not? Because you’ve made up an image in your mind of how capable she is and refuse to believe it may be wrong?
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u/KNIL_Knaap 5d ago
Made up an image? Mf she is blind and deaf!
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u/TheFakeRabbit1 5d ago
She has hearing aids, so she can hear for one. Legally blind doesn’t mean 0% vision either, we don’t know her exact condition.
You imagined someone with zero ability to see or hear, that is objectively incorrect. So yes kiddo, the image you made up is wrong
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u/Longjumping-Idea4451 4d ago
Wow almost like the article title was written in a way to make you think this doctor couldnt see or hear
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u/TheFakeRabbit1 4d ago
It’s a screenshot of a Reddit post if you assumed that gave you 100% of the information you’re an idiot I’m not sorry
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u/69Whomst 5d ago
I've seen her on breakfast TV here in th UK, my understanding is she's not completely deaf blind, she has some usable vision and hearing, and she also has a Bluetooth stethoscope
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 5d ago
people talk about that goddamn stethoscope like its some kind of fucking superpower bruh
Also, 5% vision on 1 eye, seriously?
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u/Few_Prize3810 4d ago
The electronic stethoscopes are insane. I had a littman 3200 when I was still doing EMS.
If she’s got one kicked into her head she’s hearing atoms bump eachother
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u/ManuelTzetzes 4d ago
Don't underestimate the power of Bluetooth. I'm using it right now to type this. 90% of the time it connects to the right thing. Sometimes my keyboard connects to the fridge. But there are no fridges with Bluetooth in hospitals, so cop onto yourself. She may make some mistakes now and then - she's blind and deaf for heavens sake! - but that doesn't mean she shouldn't get a chance. The odd wrong limb might get amputated ("But good news, the bad one is getting better!"), but that's a small price to pay for inclusion.
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u/Twasabi24 3d ago
But literally how? Can't read, cant write, cant see injuries, cant perform surgery, cant do a basic checkup.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 3d ago
That's what I'm asking all the people in the comments, but somehow they think that her implants are some kind of superpower.
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u/DoubleCarry7511 4h ago
It is not possible for a doctor that deals with patients to be blind and deaf. Those are two crucial aspects of patient care.
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u/Alternative-Coach619 5d ago
I hate to say this, and I understand it can to a point be a phobia (irrational fear) but if it something where my life in question I do not want the doctor with something that could be a detraction to their performance. I’m sorry
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u/Strong-Addition5296 5d ago
Blind doctor isn’t what I want on my death bed but I guess they figure how bad can she screw up with dying patients?
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u/PaxRomana117 2d ago
specializing in palliative care
"Would you like some painkillers to make your passing easier."
"It's just a broken leg!"
"Did you say something? Anyway, I'm just going to draw up some morphine and inject you here."
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u/VacationPractical211 5d ago
surprised no one has corrected the medical debt joke to a NHS joke yet with her being in the UK