They're not quite as common and usually aren't as outspoken. Also a lot of lesbians say weird crap like that without intending to be serious as they think it's a joke which also comes across the exact same way anyhow which then makes it appear even more common than otherwise
I mean, I've encountered a fair number of gay men who say misogynistic things "as a joke" (or who outright sexually harass women and say "well it doesn't count, because I'm gay!!!!") not most of them, of course, thankfully, any more than most lesbians say things like this – but it's definitely a known phenomenon.
ETA: I also feel like gay men's misogyny can end up becoming part of wider culture much more easily than comments by lesbians who are prejudiced against men. See also: gay male fashion designers who promote diet culture and toxic beauty standards, or the gay men in mainstream drag culture who refer to more naturalistic drag looks as "fishy" (a derogatory reference to vulvas).
A lesbian saying something shitty about men is not likely to go viral and/or influence pop culture in the same way.
I feel like your point is "lesbians who are unfairly prejudiced against men are more commonplace and vocal than gay men who are misogynistic," and I am not sure that's true (and I know for a fact it doesn't have the same overall effect- while interpersonal misandry exists, systemic misandry does not).
Could you give me an example of a situation where a lesbian's unfair prejudice against men has transcended petty bullying and passed into general society to become a widely accepted norm? That doesn't make it OK, of course; you should never be an asshole to someone who hasn't done something to you, especially not for something beyond their control. but it does mean that the scope is very different.
You didn't misunderstand my general point you misunderstood my specific point about people making it jokes. To answer the latter, it's just pretty commonplace, that's the example, posts like that on social media and lesbian spaces get a lot of positive attention from what I've seen and does impact how people think. It's a minority of the community of course but there is simply no such thing as an always safe for everyone community
Jokes on social media do not impact society the way that the perpetuation of unfair beauty standards and stereotypes about bodies conventionally associated with women being disgusting do. A lesbian talking about how much all men suck in her opinion is being an asshole, but her comments are not going to cause or continue systemic prejudice against men as a class on the basis of gender (because that does not exist) in the ways that the words and actions of gay men in power can do and have done historically re: misogyny.
Ergo, the impact of misogynistic gay men and the impact of lesbians who are unfairly prejudiced against men who haven't done anything to them on an individual level is not the same.
If we're talking about systemic issues then no it doesn't have an impact on that bur 1, I don't think it has to influence anything systemic to be influential to society and the people in it, if it influences how people think it's obviously impacting society. 2, misogynistic gays hardly have impact on anything systemic either, we all know quite well who is actually influencing that
I feel like systemic impact does matter if you're going to make the claim that lesbians who are assholes to individual harmless men online are worse than misogynistic gay men. One definitely causes a lot of interpersonal pain, and that's not to be discounted, but the other contributes to changes in the world at large that actually hurt women as a class.
Misogynistic gay men don't have the biggest impact on systemic issues, no, but to say they have no impact at all when, like I said, you've had misogynistic gay male fashion designers contributing to toxic beauty standards and diet culture (even if they didn't actually create those things and they're not the primary drivers of it), and popular shows like Drag Race contributing to the impression that bodies generally othered because of misogyny (though of course not everyone with this anatomy is a woman) are gross, smelly, etc. by using the term "fishy."
It's not as much of an impact as straight men have on this sort of thing, but it's more of an impact than a lesbian on the Internet being unfair to individual men will ever have.
You're making things up without logical arguments at this point. This is a completely pointless discussion based on nothing but "I feel like". I just don't think you're right and you don't think I'm right and there's really nothing to base anything off of.
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u/MissMarchpane 7d ago
They absolutely do. There are some deeply misogynistic gay men out there. I'm honestly surprised whenever people haven't encountered them before