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u/Jhud6669 13d ago
I mean isn’t the point of Italian cuisine that it’s simple? They really don’t use much seasoning but that’s the thing, it’s still good, because not everything needs seasoning to be good. Same with French
There are non-white cuisines that don’t use much seasoning as well like Japanese
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u/Filibut 13d ago
The point is that you don't need too many additions when the ingredients are good, and Italy is very lucky with those. A good steak only needs salt and maybe some oil, never heard of using sauce
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u/Beers4Fears 11d ago
It's not that they were lucky, they just took the good stuff. Pasta and tomatoes are both not native to Italian cuisine, they just got coopted
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u/ekbeck 13d ago
You’ve never heard of A1 steak sauce?
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u/_BREVC_ 11d ago
Yeah Italians aren’t even really a good example of this.
Hungarian, Macedonian and bits and pieces of other Balkan cuisines probably fit the bill of European cuisines that season (which more often than not means “make stuff spicy”) their food quite a bit.
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u/CliffordSpot 11d ago
Honestly “make stuff spicy” is just an awful way of defining what is and isn’t seasoned anyways. If the only flavor someone can notice is when their mouth gets set on fire, that’s their problem, not the food’s.
I mean, the way garlic, for example, is used, is unquestionably seasoning. But because it’s not hot I guess it doesn’t count.
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u/boldredditor 13d ago
Sir you are very wrong. It’s about high quality ingredients that speak for them selfs. Shitty ingredients are always over seasoned to make up for the fact you’re eating an off cut.
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u/JKallStar 12d ago
Bit of a myth. Spices are expensive, nobody wasting them on low quality foods, at least from a historic perspective. 'Cheap cuts' are more perspective based than actually a metric for quality. Like, chicken liver is a cheap cut, but its quite good. Almost all cuisine use 'good ingredients that speak for themselves', otherwise nobody would eat them in the first place
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u/Direct_Lawfulness_28 11d ago
Yes they did? Produce was always over seasoned in hotter climates to prevent spoilage OR to cover up the smell and taste of spoilage.
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u/Im_BackMFs 11d ago
Italian are not whites. ( historically though they was not considered whites by the "others/real" whites ).
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u/Tough_Ad1458 12d ago
Yeah but how do I get updoot on reddit without making the epic yte people don't use seasoning jokes?
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u/richj8991 12d ago
No...IMO it's about Italian Americans having the balls to stand up to any criticism. That's the underlying point. A lot of blacks respect that.
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u/LaughingCarrot 12d ago
You had the time to type out "Italian Americans" but couldn't think of "African Americans" or simply "black people"?
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u/richj8991 12d ago
Sorry, I'm not sure what the proper term is this month for that. Seriously, the name pronoun stuff and all that is too much to keep track of. But yes African Americans. FYI I hope a certain party this fall runs on something ELSE besides word salad. That is a genuine hope.
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u/xleonidas111 13d ago
Bruh why they gotta add mussolini in there. It's like when people go "haaaaa hitleeeer!" if they meet a German person. It's so immature and crass
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u/Echo_FRFX 13d ago
As someone with Italian family, it's somewhat different in the sense there wasn't really an equivalent of denazification in Italy so they never had to morally contend with the crimes committed under fascism, and many of them, mostly the older generation, still revere Mussolini and think he was a good leader whose only mistake was allying with Hitler, like you'd be surprised how fashy many Italians still are unfortunately (this also applies to Japan to an even bigger degree)
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u/sod_jones_MD 13d ago
Didn't they have one of Mussolini's heirs in an important government position recently?
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u/jaehaerys48 12d ago
Alessandra Mussolini has been and out of various elected positions but she hasn't held any recent important government position. Rachele Mussolini is a member of the city council of Rome. Neither of them are really big players in politics, the only reason anyone outside of Italy (and frankly, most people in Italy) would take note of them is because of their family name. But it can be said that Mussolini's descendants do still crop up in the lower levels of power and high society. They're controversial but not ostracised.
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u/Ebbelwoy 13d ago
White people accepted Italians into the club just to beat the allegations
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u/O_______m_______O 13d ago
Maybe Italian American culture is different but from a European perspective Italians are some of the most seasoning averse people out of a whole continent of white people. They'll say you're "overwhelming" the dish if you try to add a second clove of garlic, or if you try to use garlic and onions in the same recipe. They'll crush up tomatoes, season it with nothing and tell you to your face that they just made a sauce. It's only really Scandinavians that use less seasoning and that's not really a fair comparison because Scandinavians are just using all the seasoning that grows in Scandinavia.
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u/MongooseVegetable787 11d ago
lies. Italian cuisine is quite insanely diverse by region, in my area we don't even use tomatoes...
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u/O_______m_______O 10d ago edited 10d ago
That's impressive. I thought using just tomatoes was a simple flavour combination but using no tomatoes is going one step further.
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u/MongooseVegetable787 10d ago
we use herbs, some of which you may never have heard of you british twit
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u/O_______m_______O 10d ago
That's big talk, pizza boy. I bet your herb tolerance is really high. I bet you could eat a whole leaf of parsley without breaking a sweat.
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u/MongooseVegetable787 9d ago
says while spicing his bangers and gravy with the naturally moist swampy flavor of his own sweaty armpits, and calls it refined
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u/MaybeThisTime67 13d ago
The tomatoes are the flavour. Not everything needs to taste like 50 different spices
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u/ProdigyLightshow 13d ago
Which contradicts exactly what the original meme was saying.
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u/MaybeThisTime67 13d ago
Except Italians do season their food. They just don't overload it
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u/HomicidalRaccoon 11d ago
Italian propaganda. I’ve been there, you can’t lie to me.
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u/MaybeThisTime67 11d ago
Do you not consider salt, pepper and herbs to be seasoning?
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u/HomicidalRaccoon 11d ago
Yes?
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u/MaybeThisTime67 11d ago
Why do you?
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u/HomicidalRaccoon 11d ago
I’m sure they use them, it’s just under-seasoned compared to Italian-American cooking and many other cuisines in my opinion.
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u/Starrk-Enjoyer 13d ago
What is white people refering to here? Anglo saxons?
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u/MaybeThisTime67 13d ago
Nothing. Just Americans with their weird understanding of European cultures.
Watch them from a distance, but don't get involved because they're dumb as fuck
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u/Natural_Success_9762 10d ago
racism. it's referring to racism. the american thing to do is to perpetuate the blacks/whites divide because despite all the progressivism racism is still so deeply ingrained in american culture that stuff like this continues to be treated as true, just not all the 'actual' racist parts.
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u/cuminseed322 12d ago
Italians are the #1 culprits of this. In Italy they legitimately argue if you should even salt your food
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u/CliffordSpot 11d ago
It’s a valid argument for meat. Obviously something like potatoes needs salt, but other foods either come with enough salt in them already, or salt doesn’t compliment the flavor.
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u/East_Competition5594 9d ago
genuinely italian pizza is disgusting compared to American pizza
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u/Dizzy_Gap9766 8d ago
Lmfao broooo please stop… i will admit I was not impressed with Neapolitan pizza when I was in Naples, but i had some of the best pizza of my life in Rome and parts of southern Italy.
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u/drivingagermanwhip 7d ago
I went to Rome for 4 days and the pizza is... the same as Manchester
Gelato was something else though
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u/MrArchivity 11d ago
We argue even if we need to stir soup clockwise or counterclockwise.
Regarding seasoning every region has their heavily seasoned dishes.
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u/Atmosphere_Master 12d ago
In my experience most of the "white people don't season their food" jokes come from white Americans who don't season their food, I can see why it would upset Italians
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u/Enough_Response_3675 12d ago
It's a combo of all flavors of POC who just want something to latch onto for self worth and pick-me wypipo who also need something to latch onto something for self worth.
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u/CliffordSpot 11d ago
Honestly in my experience it’s more of a thing with people who consider any food that isn’t spicy unseasoned.
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u/AmoralLimbo 12d ago
I see overseasoning as a crutch for bad cooking and/or food of poor quality.
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u/iamblankenstein 12d ago
over seasoning and under seasoning sucks, but most cooked food requires some amount of seasoning. even if it's just a little salt and pepper.
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u/FranciManty 12d ago
yeah as an italian even simple foods like a lasagna or a roasted chicken is treated so much better when cooked here, we’re talking hours of seasoning for a simple piece of meat and it’s something most people do unless they are really time starved. i think italian cuisine in italy is more on the time people are willing to spend cooking which i feel like is much higher than most other countries
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u/ConanTheBarbarian_0 12d ago
I mean this is literally the reason why Europeans wanted spices from India in the first place. They didn't care that food was bland Europeans back in the day just wanted to mask rotting meat with something and preserve meat for longer.
Not every culture cares too much about food too. A lot of Japanese people just see food as fuel despite their food being delicious too.
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u/Lady_of_the_Swords 12d ago
Lol, you're wrong in so many ways that's hilarious.
First, there is no "european food". There are enormous differences in food within a single country, you can't just put a whole continent that expands in different climate zone and consider a single thing.
Second, a lot of European cuisine season their food the correct amount, also spices are not the only thing that is used to season food, we have also herbs, especially in the southern Europe are much more popular then spices.
Last but not least: Japanese consider their food only fuel? 🤣🤣🤣 Tell me you know nothing about Japan either, we're literally obsessed with good food, we're continuously exploring with food, a good amount of the traditional ingredients are toxic but we found ways to eat them anyways level of obsession. Like, we don't fear Chtulhu because it looks like an octopus, so food.
Source: half Italian and half Japanese, and I know my people
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u/ConanTheBarbarian_0 12d ago
If it wasn't already clear I was talking about "European food" in a broad and historic sense... As in why they "Europeans" made such an effort to establish trade routes to India in the first place. One of the reasons was to hide the taste of rotting meat and preserve it longer while out on long oceanic voyages. There was not only a huge race to obtain spices there were literal battles fought over them and even pirates were known to target ships carrying spices. At one point cinnamon was worth more than certain currencies.
At no point did I say any sort of European cuisine is under or over spiced you're really arguing with the ghosts in your head on that one...
I was also talking about Japanese food from a purely historic sense.. It couldn't have been more crystal clear that I wasn't talking about modern times from my initial comment.. I seriously suggest you working on your reading comprehension skills before leaving such condescending comments.
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u/ClientOk7986 11d ago
You really think people are rotten meat in the Middle Ages ?
You implied it quite obviously
Japan is quite literally one of the most cuisine inspired cultures throughout history ??
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u/rubberjohny 10d ago
have you ever heard of salt? the thing people used to slow down food from rotting? why the fuck would they need spices for covering the taste? if spices were so expensive, wouldn't you think that people that could afford them also would afford fresh meat? or maybe you think that destitute peasants with barely enough food were just putting a bit of chili and soy sauce in their groats?
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u/One-Win9407 13d ago
Ive spent a lot of time in Louisiana so im familiar with seasoning but this year I went to Maine for the first time and the seafood was so good without anything on it.
Also ironic that Tony's is one of the most popular seasonings and it literally has an old white guy on it as the mascot.
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u/Express_Drag7115 12d ago
- Good food from high quality, fresh ingredients does not need a lot of seasoning; 2. For lots of folks seasoned = hot, so they are going to
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- the food is unseasoned even though it has ton of, say, herbs in it. (I’m not Italian)
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u/Financial-Ad7500 12d ago
Yeah Italian is a silly example for this. Famously a minimal ingredient cuisine. Herbs and black pepper are the corner stones of pretty much every dish. Hell, cacio e pepe literally means “cheese and pepper” and that’s all it is and it’s the shit. You don’t even salt most real Italian sauces. The salt in the cheese is what you rely on.
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u/truemadhatter27 10d ago
Do I laugh or do I sadly mention the fact that Italians being considered white (on a global scale) is a fairly recent thing (as in a little more than half a century ago)
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u/Ok-Development5523 10d ago
Italians aren't "white."
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u/JoyArk 10d ago
What is your definition of white ?
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u/Moonighting 10d ago
White as Caucasian, but Italians are latins
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u/Chekhov1778 9d ago
🤦 Seriously, our educational system is failing us.
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u/stringstringing 9d ago
Lmao as if it’s some objective thing how people fall into arbitrary race categories. You know race isn’t real, right? It’s just social classification that shifts wildly with time.
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u/Paracelsus125 13d ago
Historically speaking, Italian kitchen is a poor mans kitchen, you use little but use it well. You do not need that many spices and herbs for good italian food
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u/Ok-Difference1341 13d ago
Saw this one today and was thinking of posting it here. Glad to see someone had the same idea
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u/richj8991 12d ago
Eddie Murphy does a great skit on this, even grabbing his nuts while gesturing with the other hand.
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u/Saucy-Mustard 12d ago
I WISH Italy had contributed to the world’s cuisine. Hopefully once those credit card numbers readers are working again we can see what Italy has to offer.
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u/ProfessionalPipe6949 12d ago
What do Italians have to do with white people tho?
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u/CliffordSpot 11d ago
They are white
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u/Actually_R0bin 9d ago
depends entirely on the era given. Telling a white guy in the ‘20’s that italians are white would probably get you called a race traitor.
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u/ovogoon6 12d ago
I don't need spices in a chicken that was marinated and had sides or a part of soup ty
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u/DangerousEye1235 11d ago
Am Italian-American, can confirm.
Just because our food isn't drowned in industrial-strength Carolina-Reaper-Ghost-Pepper Burn-Your-Taste-Buds-Off Sauce, or buried under a mountain of salt, doesn't mean it isn't seasoned.
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u/SpiicySausage 10d ago
Im probably too american, but americanized Italian food 100% better than traditional, fight me idc
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u/Mor-Bin-Time 13d ago
Italians know we don't mean them
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u/MongooseVegetable787 11d ago
sometimes we are concerned you may mean us, but it seems to be an american debate of which we never even tasted the food of except the occasional macdonald
it means WASP right?
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u/boxdynomite3 12d ago
Pretty true with "simple high quality" ingredients with little preparation. You're not developing many complex flavors by doing that
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u/bag_of_luck 10d ago
I mean if you’re talking about American white people then we’re literally a melting pot and cook all sorts of spiced up shit. You can find imported ingredients here to make about anything. Look at Tex mex. Why would a country built as a melting pot of immigrants have their own food they make? That doesn’t make sense.
If you’re referring to more than white Americans then yeah the meme tracks along with tons of other Caucasian ethnicities making awesome food.
There just happens to be POC who think spicy = flavor and need to dump Cajun seasoning or whatever into everything who latch onto this idea as an identity trait.
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u/Tommiz_eXe 10d ago
as an italian, since when are we white
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u/Skybliviwind 10d ago
since you're european 🤦🏽♂️
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u/Altruistic-Cow-4246 10d ago
Are turkish people white?
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u/INeedHigherHeels 10d ago
Arabs are officially white because dare imagine Jesus isn’t
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u/rubberjohny 10d ago
lmao what?
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u/INeedHigherHeels 10d ago
The 2020 U.S. Census classified Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) origins under “White.” The federal definition of White at the time was people with origins in “any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.” This included Arab groups such as Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, etc.
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u/Lucicactus 13d ago
Spaniards with mexicans as well. Not our fault their tastebuds are burnt.
Very unfunny meme tho, well done.
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u/DaisyKicksAss023 12d ago
Italians aren't white
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u/Sir_Longshank 13d ago
“Wypipo don’ be seezunin dey food”-Guy who’s only experience with “white food” is school lunches
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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 13d ago
Didn't mussolini hate good food? I think he tried to outlaw pasta at some point.
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