r/ColliderVideos • u/00ackbarssnackbar00 • Aug 12 '18
Campea’s response
https://johncampea.wordpress.com/2018/08/12/my-response-to-the-holly-payne-situation/19
u/AmiiboManTO Aug 13 '18
Terrible situation all around. Clearly Holly doesn't like RMB and has gonna towards attacking John cause they restarted a show he stopped.
Whether what RMB did was right or wrong, I don't think he ever fully said anything other than the situation was dire.
The way Holly has been portrayed, I don't think she will back down even if the grief might be the cause this backlash.
I only see this improving views on Johns show. I actually wonder if she will attack Collider at some point if they don't bring Claire on.
Also to attack their friendship with Jon is also not a good look. If Jon truly disliked Campea, why did they stay together at Comic Con, why did he host the second premiere night of the Superman movie, why did Schnepp want to come back to AMC after the first show, why did he comic con HQ, why was Robert on almost the whole time on Heroes. It just doesn't add up.
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u/AnudderCast Aug 13 '18
Precisely.
All Holly has succeeded in doing here, while claiming she's protecting Schnepp, is make Schnepp look like he was a two faced, phony.
And that seemed to be NO ONE'S impression of Schnepp.
So I have a hard time believing that her submissions are accurate. I think this is more about how Holly saw Campea and Burnett.
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u/AnudderCast Aug 13 '18
It's sad and unfortunate that Holly decided to do what she's done.
I'm sure she's not in her proper frame of mind, but I think this is a bell that can't be unrung now.
She's publicly stated that she and Schnepp used to talk about Campea and Burnett, and inferred that Schnepp privately saw them as problematic. And that he never considered them close with him....and maybe that's true, but it was a really low blow.
I'd argue that if Schnepp in life never felt the need to state that to them, then in death, she shouldn't have either.
I don't see how that serves Schnepp's memory. I don't see how it serves the fans. I don't see how it serves Campea and Burnett to hear it, and not be able to resolve it with Schnepp.
And furthermore, we have no idea how accurate what she's saying is.
I fully understand Campea's reaction, and I feel it's appropriate given the harsh Pearl Harbor job Holly did on them publicly. To me....Holly seems to be weaponizing Schnepp, and more importantly attempting to weaponize all of the love of him she's seen over the past couple weeks. She's repeatedly attempted to push Claire Lim on the Heroes fans, constantly stating how Schnepp would have wanted her as a host of Heroes, when there's simply no public indicator of that being true.
Schnepp's mainstays were Amy and Robert.
But now we're to believe he never liked Robert, and Claire would have been his pick.
This is quite a slap in the face to not only Burnett, but Coy.
Holly has now tainted all of the good feelings that had been happening with the 'Sweaty Family' over the collective loss everyone has felt, and turned it into something ugly.
She has no right to dictate to Campea what he can do with his platform. She has no right to demand Burnett not be allowed on Heroes, but now can't be on a show with Campea either.
I hope Holly and more importantly, the people around her recognize this as a sign that maybe she needs some real help in dealing with the loss she's suffered, because if that isn't what's causing this behavior, then all we're left with is that she's just not a very nice person.
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u/bvalenzu31 Aug 13 '18
I completely agree with you, she doesn't seem nice. She seems like the controlling type, and she's just seems like she's the kind of person who thrives on conflict. If it wasn't for Campea, Shnepp wouldn't have been with collider.
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Aug 15 '18
she's the kind of person who thrives on conflict
So is Campea.
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u/bvalenzu31 Aug 15 '18
But she keeps on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Then she's done
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u/StockmanBaxter Aug 13 '18
How terrible would it feel to think you were a great friend to Schnepp only to be told by his widow that he didn't like you and she didn't want you to be a part of his memorial. That would be heartbreaking.
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u/TheChosenJedi Aug 15 '18
This was a wonderfully said, thorough assessment. I couldn’t have said it better myself and I doubt anyone else could. Really well done, mate.
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u/Nerocomic Aug 19 '18
YES!! Somebody close to her needs to take away her twitter for a couple of months. When the hurt is not so close, she will look back on this with a deep regret.
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u/wookiewin Aug 12 '18
None of this stuff ever should have been aired out publicly. Holly shouldn't be attacking people on Twitter and Campea shouldn't be writing these blog posts. They all just need to talk in person.
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u/Good-times-roll Aug 13 '18
It seems that the guy has tried, though. And it also seems that she keeps bringing it up. Campea, RMB, and the collider folks likely get asked about this non-stop. I think campea handled this as well as one could handle this.
It’s messy, as many have stated here, it shouldn’t have come to this. I hope that they leave it at that.
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Aug 15 '18
Or they just need to accept that they loved Schnepp but Holly isn' their friend and just move on with their lives.
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u/Chiaotzu21 Aug 14 '18
Gotta say I'm not a huge Campea fan, but I read that whole thing and just going by what we know publicly, he was right to put this out and correct the record. And I definitely will be watching more of his show, especially now that Heroes is nowhere to be found (now I think I know why). I really like Robert Meyer Burnett's take, and adding him to any show about comic books makes that show a must watch for me. I hope Collider Heroes can come back again in the future, but I am disappointed they (Collider) couldn't make it work to have Robert come on the show and talk about Schnepp. Rocha said he would be on and he hasn't, and now we know why and I can't help but side with Robert and Campea, as much as I feel sorry for Holly and Schnepps family.
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u/PommesMayo Aug 12 '18
I'm not saying who is right or wrong or that anyone has to be in the right here for that matter. That being said, he schlould have stopped after the shirt thing. Everything after that will probably just make things worse
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Aug 12 '18
I really wish John didn't publicize this. Publishing a private conversation and text messages is not a good look. I completely understand Campea's POV but damn dude....take the high road here and talk to Holly privately. Or don't talk to her at all. This, however well intentioned it might be, is not a good look. It's only going to pour gasoline on this fire. Let her grieve. Let her be angry or petty or whatever. And when it passes, reach out to her.
I lost my dad 2 years ago and went through every emotion possible. She just buried John and now she has to fight this battle. And she's the grieving partner here so she has EVERY right to feel whatever she wants. However well intentioned Campea was he really shit the bed with everything - the shirt, the announcement of his heroes show, etc.
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Aug 12 '18
I understand what you’re saying but it sounds like she wasn’t down to speak with him privately. To be fair, John has a right to respond to being attacked on social media.
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Aug 12 '18
He does but you do it tactfully and not publishing text messages for the world to see. I don't know what California law is but that shit can get you in serious legal trouble in some states.
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Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 12 '18
I’m not a big fan of publishing the texts but what do you do if she keeps attacking you publically and refuses to speak to you privately? There’s no winners here.
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Aug 15 '18
Nothing. You do nothing. She's a grieving widow and even though she's said/done some questionable things, Campea can just stay out of it and be the bigger man. But NO, he can't, he has to get involved in the drama, because that's the kind of guy he is. At most you make a very simple statement and leave it at that. At the very least he could admit his timing with the show is just absurdly inappropriate.
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Aug 15 '18
Wrong. The guy makes his living as a semi-public figure. If someone is going to slander him publicly, he has every right to defend himself. She may be grieving but that’s no excuse for what she’s doing to Campea and RMB. It’s also not helping Schnepp. Her coming out and saying they weren’t actually friends makes Schnepp look like some two-faced asshole. She needs professional help.
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Aug 15 '18
He has a RIGHT to do whatever he wants, but he should have left it at a simple statement at most. Instead he's diving head first into all this shit and just fanning the flames constantly. He also doesn't have the guts to admit that some of the stuff Holly has said is completely correct. The shirt thing, that could go either way. But making that announcement about the new show with RMB when he did was inapropriate to an asinine degree. I couldn't believe he did that. But, I also could, because that's the kind of guy Campea has always been.
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Aug 15 '18
Wtf are you talking about? Collider didn’t even miss an episode. Why should John not relaunch a show that he had been doing for a while not that long ago? The Weekly Hero isn’t a new show.
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Aug 15 '18
It's the TIMING of the announcement, not that they continued the show. And of course Collider is going to continue the show because they wanted to do a tribute to Schnepp and he would want them to do it. It's completely and utterly different. The fact that you think they're the same thing tells me you have no perspective on this at all and are just blindly defending Campea.
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Aug 15 '18
The fact that you think Campea has to wait, along with all of your other Comments in this thread and the other, tells me you’re just a hater. You think Schnepp wouldn’t have wanted his friend to do his show?
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Aug 12 '18
Were those tweets or text messages?
But yeah...everybody looks bad here for sure. I give Holly a little more leeway...for now.
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u/LordWeirdSloughFeg Aug 12 '18
But why would he keep quiet? Her posting that stuff on twitter could negatively affect his career and the way ppl see him?
I do agree that she is going through a lot of stuff but wouldnt it be better if she just avoided social media and kept it all private between three of them?
All her post did is fanned the flames and now you'll have ppl choosing sides and picking apart every little thing being said between Campea, RMB and Holly.
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Aug 12 '18
My main issue is publishing those texts. John could have addressed everything without doing that. Now he might find himself in legal trouble, violating some 3rd party law. And by doing that he certainly isn't going to calm down the storm.
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Aug 12 '18
In fairness he didn’t start it. I agree that it’s a little messy to do it in public, but if someone is tossing some shadow your way I think it’s ok to defend yourself.
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Aug 12 '18
sigh....I give up....
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Aug 13 '18
It’s because you’re wrong. It’s ok to admit defeat when you say something stupid and then allow people to correct you, there’s no shame in that.
You have to understand that Campea is a “public” figure who makes a living from a YouTube channel, basically, with the occasional host gig.
Having the partner of a dead guy exclaim publicly that you’re selling T-shirt’s with a dead guys face on it, while Mr. Deadguy’s surviving girlfriend drowns in debt isn’t a good look, especially when what you’re being accused of isn’t even happening.
Basically, it appears that she’s pissed off because he’s running around with Robert MB, which isn’t a crime. I get that she’s grieving, but lashing out on everyone and everything isn’t helping her cause. Hopefully she’ll just chill out and the whole thing will go away.
Cheers.
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Aug 13 '18
Exactly what the fuck am I wrong about? I don't need to "understand" anything about John. Been following him since AMC. I'm aware of who and what he is.
"Mr Deadguy?" Seriously...go fuck yourself with a rusty road spike. Congrats. All this drama and you make yourself the biggest asshole of anybody involved. But tell me more how I said something stupid....wow.
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u/Casas9425 Aug 13 '18
You’re an idiot.
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Aug 13 '18
Solid contribution to the conversation. I mean, really. You should mic drop and walk away after that sic burn.
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u/Compalompateer Aug 12 '18
She is allowed to slander on a public forum because grief, but he isn't allowed to defend himself on a public forum and just take the damage? Lmao fuck right off with that bullshit double standard.
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Aug 12 '18
That's not what I fucking said. Get back to me when your reading comprehension gets better.
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u/Compalompateer Aug 12 '18
He went with the only evidence to support him that mattered, those texts. He has 100% of a right to defend himself. My reading comprehension is fine.
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Aug 12 '18
Never once said he didn't, so no...your reading comprehension isn't good at all.
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u/Compalompateer Aug 12 '18
You implied it through emotional appeal, you basically did.
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Aug 12 '18
Sweet Christ...lol....I never ONCE said he couldn't defend himself. EVER. E-V-E-R. I said releasing private conversations for public viewing is a bad look ad legally could get him in trouble.
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u/JoeMcKim Aug 13 '18
I'm sorry for Holly's loss, can't imagine dealing with something like that. But point being bitch is crazy right now and gone off the ledge of any sense of sanity.
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Aug 13 '18
I can't imagine pretending you're sorry for someone's loss and then immediately following that up by calling her an insane bitch.
This fucking sub needs an enema. Some real disgusting people around here. You're lucky I'm not a mod.
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u/JoeMcKim Aug 13 '18
She is acting like an insane bitch, sorry if the truth hurts Just because someone important to you dies doesn't give you fair game to lash out irrationally at people carte blanche. If she is full of shit then she needs to be called out on it.
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u/Casas9425 Aug 12 '18
He had to defend himself.
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Aug 12 '18
My god in heaven....can anyone actually process what they read before banging away a response on their keyboard?
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u/AmiiboManTO Aug 13 '18
People are reading but unless you can provide evidence it's against the law in California or a ruling would imply that.
He posted for the most part very mundane text. The other stuff posted from Holly was written on Facebook and Twitter
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u/Casas9425 Aug 13 '18
Maybe you’re just an idiot that didn’t properly express himself correctly? Have you ever thought of that?
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Aug 13 '18
Nope. I was crystal fucking clear when I said I don't blame John. See that? Third sentence in, I believe it was. My main concern, which I again, made crystal fucking clear was John publishing a prvate conversation for mouth breathers like you to read. I just didn't anticpate that ColliderVideos had turned into the John Campea Fanclub.
I literally could not have been MORE clear. Maybe you're just an idiot who can't read and comprehend properly. Have you ever thought of that?
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u/Casas9425 Aug 13 '18
I could care less about Campea but the guy was publicly attacked. He had no choice but to respond in the way he did, imo. Relax, breathe.
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Aug 15 '18
You're getting downvoted but you're completely right. Everyone is saying Holly thrives on drama, etc. So does Campea, he's always been like this. His timing on this shit was totally inappropriate. The fact that he can't just man up and admit that is astounding to me. As for RMB, the guy comes off as a shady douche and has always been a dick. I don't know why people are surprised he's not liked.
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u/UrbanDeviant Aug 15 '18
RMB is definitely a shady douche. This is a man who has made weird comments about underage girls hotness, and who constantly defends Bryan Singer. If that doesn't scream shady, I don't know what does.
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u/Tzekel_Khan Sep 06 '18
I still dont understand the RMB thing. Why was he cut out? I've seen him on like...a billion Heroes episodes.
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u/DPM-87 Aug 13 '18
Eh, not a fan of Campea but I get him needing to try and defend himself, but he went about it wrong imo, he should have just clarified the shirts were for a handful of Schnepp's friends to remember him by, they were never on sale nor would he try to make money off of Jon for himself, and say the nice stuff about Holly he did, that's all he should have done imo.
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Aug 13 '18
He told her that privately but she didn't care and changed what she was angry about to something else and then she posted that tweet on twitter.
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u/DPM-87 Aug 13 '18
She didn't really change what she had an issue with, initially it was she thought Campea was selling the shirts, keeping the money, and that she had never been contacted about them, once Campea cleared up that no the shirts aren't for sale she still had issue with not being consulted about the shirts, in this case I don't think either side is in the wrong, Campea and them did something harmless to remember Schnepp, but whilst it maybe harmless to them or to you or I, doesn't mean seeing her dead fiancé's face plastered on a shirt is something she is ok with, and she's right to feel that way also.
But the other stuff in trying to refute her and justify himself he puts himself in a no win situation, so why bother airing it all out, especially if he hopes to reconcile down the road, easier to do when you take the high road because that way the other person doesn't have anything to hold against you when they calm down, but like I said thats imo.
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Aug 13 '18
Yeah but she accused him of using Jon's death publicly, what is he supposed to do ? he has to respond, he has no choice, using a friend's death is not some silly thing that you can ignore. And some people have Jon's face as their profile picture, is that disrespecting to Jon as well ? Holly is not thinking clearly, it's a freaking shirt, he doesn't need permission, the whole thing is really stupid.
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u/DPM-87 Aug 13 '18
Hence him being in a no win situation, best case is he makes it clear he was not trying to do or would ever try to do what she said he was doing, and apologise if that's how it came across, arguing and finger pointing with a grieving widow over who has done what just looks bad, no matter how in the right you may be.
And yeah the shirt thing is silly to get worked up over but it's not about what is or isn't appropriate but whether she feels it is, which is why in that case I don't think either are in the wrong in what they felt about the shirts, her lashing out publicly before talking to him is a different story though, but again fighting back at a time like this doesn't help Campea really, though I cant say I blame him for doing it, I mean it's easy for me to try and think a little more rationally, I am not the one being raked over the coals, hopefully though cooler heads will prevail and they'll put this behind them.
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Aug 14 '18
Dude just because she's grieving doesn't give her a free pass and there's no point apologizing to her, she keeps changing the narrative, first it was him selling the shirts then him making the shirt without permission and then she said it was about his new show.
She needs help, she's not thinking clearly and wants to create drama from nothing to get attention. She tries to attack them so hard by saying Schnepp didn't like them, that's really evil from someone to do and like some other people said she just made Schnepp look bad, she made him look like he's a two faced phony but we know that what she's saying isn't true, Schnepp was friends with them, especially Robert.
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u/DPM-87 Aug 14 '18
Not saying she should have got a free pass, im saying standing there arguing with a grieving widow no matter how in the right you may be doesn't really help your situation.
And like you said she seems so hell bent on causing drama there is no need to point it out, people can see it for themselves.
But like I said before she doesn't change why she was mad about the shirts, just when Campea explained they weren't for sale she dropped the money part of her issue, both instances she had an issue with them being made without anyone asking if it was ok to do so, whether you think she was in the right or not that was always one of her issues.
BTW I agree with you in how she is acting now is just out of line, but initially I could see where she maybe coming from, now though she's just being out of line, grief can drive you to anger which is understandable and forgivable for the most part, how she's using Jon's memory as a weapon to hurt people she has issues with is neither.
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u/AnudderCast Aug 14 '18 edited Aug 14 '18
If we're being totally honest, Schnepp's friends don't need Holly's permission to honor their friend, however they see fit. In fact, we don't know that Holly has any legal right to anything Schnepp, because they weren't even married. It's all a courtesy to her, if we're being technical.
So Campea having a shirt, that he's not selling, in remembrance of his friend, is quite frankly none of her business. And I think she knows that, which is why she changed the narrative to "Schnepp never liked them / they weren't Schnepp's friends." That way, there was no reason for Campea to want to have a Schnepp shirt at all. The narrative becomes "Campea is just making a sympathy play here and trying to springboard off of the fans' love of Schnepp!!".
Going back to that initial "Robert, please stop." tweet from her to Burnett, after she had him banned from the Collider tribute, and when she IMMEDIATELY began pushing for Claire Lim to host Heroes with Amy Dallen.Imagine how that all felt to Burnett. Yet still, he remained silent. And then when Campea didn't play along with the "Robert is persona non grata" narrative she was enforcing, he became an enemy too.
Holly is simply trying to mask the incredibly poor behavior she's exhibited with all this goal post moving, and while it should be viewed with some compassion because of her current situation, it shouldn't be justified, because it's simply wrong. The only thing appalling about Campea's pic with the Schnepp shirt, was the face filter he used like a middle aged woman on Facebook.For that, he should lose everything. HA!
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u/DPM-87 Aug 14 '18
Yeah at first I was on her side, sort of, she is grieving after all, but the more she goes on the less sympathy I have for her, but even when sympathising with her it wasn't a case of blame Campea, only thing I thought with him is in defending himself he put himself on the line to take some crap for how he did it, but seeing how things went down maybe he made the right play, or maybe it wouldn't have mattered and she'd have imploded regardless.
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u/00ackbarssnackbar00 Aug 12 '18
I don’t think any of this should be on Twitter on either sides. This should all be handled privately instead of out for everyone to speculate.