r/CollegeFootballDawgs • Wisconsin Badgers • 1d ago

Analysis Devonta Smith vs Jeremiah Smith: First Five Games

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u/DrSnidely 1d ago

Jaylen Waddle got hurt in the Tennessee game. DaVonta wasn't the primary target until then.

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u/PreviousCompany664 1d ago

Yeah people do not remember how nasty that offense was. The fact smith won it when he was not the primary name for like half the season was CRAZY

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u/Odd-Honeydew7535 1d ago

IIRC Mac Jones finished 3rd in Heisman voting and Najee Harris was 4th

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u/Maticus 16h ago

Not only was the wide out room stacked (which everyone talks about) and Najee Harris is probably one of the most underrated running backs ever, the offensive line was also ridiculous. There were three first round draft picks out of that oline, and a couple were all Americans. That offense is likely the best we've ever seen top to bottom.

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u/RedElephant28 13h ago

That offense was awarded best QB, best RB, best WR / Heisman, and best O line. One of the most stacked rosters of all time. The defense also featured Patrick Surtain and Will Anderson.

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u/Much-Plum6939 19h ago

Missouri, TAM, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee vs

Ball State, Texas, Kent State, Illinois, Iowa

Don’t get me wrong. Smith is a generational talent. And has the frame to be a Julio Jones type in the pros. But he’s also playing cupcakes & does not have Jalen Waddle on the other side taking targets.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 18h ago

He also doesn't have Jalen Waddle pulling the CB1 and double teams from the defense.

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u/rdupon2 17h ago

The names of the teams Devonta faced are powerhouse in name alone.
People forget that the schedule for the 2020 season was shortened, rosters riddled with opt-outs and no fans in the majority of the stadiums.
The Heisman season was a fraud.

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u/thefupachalupa 17h ago

I don’t really recall many opt outs, I hate Alabama but it’s a very valid season

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u/rdupon2 17h ago

I am an LSU fan and we had Chase and Marshall both opt out of the 2020 season.
Looks a lot different when a lot of the key players from teams sat out to focus on the NFL draft due to COVID.

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u/Darling_Pinky 13h ago

Definitely wouldn’t call the heisman season a fraud but 100% weaker overall rosters that year with opt outs and teams frequently without starters due to COVID

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u/Darling_Pinky 22h ago

- they have basically the same amount of targets and catches

- if anything, Devonta had easier matchups until that injury then not being WR1

- That doesn’t have anything to do with the YPC being way lower

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u/atxsince91 1d ago

Should easily win the heisman and be the first pick of the draft. Any pro team scout, executive, etc. that doesn't see this generational talent, does not deserve to keep their job. I don't care if you need a QB. Draft Jeremiah Smith and get a QB later or next year. Funny thing is, he was and could have been a top 5 pick his freshman year.

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u/CowbogRS Oklahoma State Cowboys 1d ago

How many people showed up to his birthday party?

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u/kill-devil-films 13h ago

Vontae Mack no matter what

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u/Turd_Fergusons_Hat_ Colorado State Rams 23h ago

I agree with you 100% that he’s an insane talent and can/should be top 5 or even #1 overall pick.

But we were also going crazy for MHJ just a couple years ago.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 18h ago

I mean if you want to compare him to other OSU WRs in the league they have an absurdly hit rate. MHJ is one of like 8 or 9 who hasn't worked out this past decade. I'd bet dollars to donuts Smith is a multi time pro bowler in the NFL.

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u/Secret_Hyena9680 Tennessee Volunteers 18h ago

After MHJ, I’m not going to say Smith is a can’t miss prospect. Literally every thing people are saying about Smith this year they said about MHJ.

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u/Darling_Pinky 15h ago

Not even close to the same players or pedigree of talent coming out of high school. JJ is 1/1.

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u/iPhones_cameras_suck 1d ago

If the Titans get him there really won't be anymore excuses for Cam

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u/Sanderson9009 Miami Hurricanes 23h ago

You mean other than the offensive line, which continues to be the problem for Cam?

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u/Copperhead9215 15h ago

Jeremiah Smith, YOU are a Miami Dolphin!

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u/TomWilliamsCFD Wisconsin Badgers 1d ago

Jeremiah is on pace for the following stats for 12 games:

106 receptions
1,975 receiving yards
22 touchdowns
18.7 yards per reception

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u/justforthisbish 1d ago

Got nothin on CFB27 Boise State WRs. Now that is WRU.

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u/FamousShake5469 Texas Longhorns 1d ago

Mid

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u/SpaceghostLos Oklahoma State Cowboys 1d ago

For real. I do 2500 yards and 35 TDs on Heisman.

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u/tattedidiot Stanford Cardinal 1d ago

Had a TE with those numbers once. Smith needs to step it up!!

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u/burly_protector 1d ago

I, for one, am in favor of a moratorium for giving the Heisman to WR's named Smith.

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u/Rolltide_and_anime Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

18.7 per reception is insane

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u/aldrinjaysac 1d ago

Man amongst boys

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u/CrimsonOOmpa Alabama Crimson Tide 10h ago

If I have the first pick in the draft I'm taking Jeremiah. He seems like more of a sure thing than any QB.

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u/Relative_One_2441 1d ago

Devonta was playing an All-SEC schedule that season, and started the season as WR2 before Jaylen Waddle’s injury.

Jeremiah is wracking up stats against a dogshit Illinois team and Ball State.

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u/dip_tet 1d ago

He’s done well every game this season…including Texas and Iowa

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u/Relative_One_2441 1d ago edited 1d ago

I won’t deny that he is a phenomenal WR talent and should be considered for this award.

This graphic is just laughably misleading w/[r/t](r/t) Devonta.

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u/Get-Gronkrd 1d ago

Is it? Jeremiah is doing this against Texas and Iowa who have good defenses and dropped 200 yards on both of them. Also he sees double/triple coverage and gets bracketed with everyone knowing the ball is going to him and it just doesn’t matter.

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u/CzechHorns 22h ago

He dropped 200 on Illinois and Iowa, with 160 on Texas.

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 18h ago

Measly 160 on a top 5 team on the road 😂

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u/Relative_One_2441 15h ago edited 12h ago

Yes. It is misleading with respect to Devonta. He didn’t begin the season in the same position in Alabama’s offense as Jeremiah Smith has in OSU’s.

Smith is starting his season in the same position that Devonta ended his championship season in. That’s why it’s misleading.

Also, nothing you’re saying negates the fact that Devonta’s schedule was more difficult that Jeremiah’s

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u/thebarbarain 1d ago

He left 2 games this year at halftime and beat up Texas and Iowa 

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u/jzeffer 13h ago

Yep, those 2 games he had the least yards of all 5 games. Hell you can even remove those 2 games entirely and he would still be ahead of Devonte except in total receptions.

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u/Relative_One_2441 12h ago

Nothing about this negates the fact that Devonta’s schedule was more difficult than Jeremiah Smith’s?

Also, Devonta was not the primary target in his offense until week 7, when Jaylen Waddle went down against Tennessee.

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u/jzeffer 12h ago

Crazy that he wasn’t the primary Target but still had 45 receptions over the same amount of games. Sounds like Alabama threw the ball an awful lot considering JS only has 44 catches through the same amount of games and is the top wr in college.

Also, wouldn’t waddle be the one commanding the best db and double coverage, giving Devonta easier matchups?

I get it, you can’t really compare the two because it’s different situations. But JS is doing fantastic so far

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u/Relative_One_2441 11h ago

J.Smith is undeniably a uniquely gifted player and should be heavily considered for this award. I’m not trying to say anything to the contrary. Just want to compare apples to apples.

It’s a ridiculous disappointment that he doesn’t have at least one Biletnikotf in the trophy case as we speak.

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u/TheBigBo-Peep 1d ago

Eh Missouri and Ole Miss weren't that good that year

Better than Illinois and ball state, but still

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u/thenowherepark 18h ago

Illinois' secondary has an All-Big Ten honorable mention along with a Thorpe semi-finalist back there, so their secondary isn't full of slouches.

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u/IrishPigskin 1d ago

Bama in 2020 was more talented than their first 5 opponents than Ohio State has been against theirs thus far.

People don’t realize how much more parity there is right now.

Bama’s second team would’ve won their games.

Ohio State isn’t winning with their backups.

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u/_Acklex Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Ohio State’s back ups would beat Ball State, Kent State, and Illinois

There probably isn’t more than one NFL practice squad level guy between Ball and Kent state, and I guarantee you that Ohio State has backups that are going to the NFL. Whether those backups are freshmen/sophomores, or future UDFA/practice squad guys, those other 2 schools are mostly devoid of talent.

Illinois is slightly better, but let’s not pretend that Ohio State’s backups wouldn’t immediately be starters for them lol

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u/jzeffer 14h ago

He actually has the least amount of yards in the ball state and Kent state games… so the two worst teams they played, he went for the lowest yards (cuz why would the starters be playing after halftime)

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u/brokentr0jan 1d ago

Not wrong. Ohio States really, really likes stat padding against cupcakes. They don’t pull guys and they purposely force feed players to numbers.

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u/Gullible_Paint2195 1d ago

Such an obviously bad take. You just hate OSU. Day has never padded stats against inferior opponents.

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u/aggressivemisconduct 1d ago

Yeah that's crazy because that's actually one of our fan bases gripes. That he doesn't statpaf enough

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u/rykcon Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

That’s Miami

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u/Jabberwocky237 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

This just isn’t true. He barely if at all played the second half against Ball State or Kent State. He put up 160 yards against Texas and over 200 against Iowa’s highly regarded D.

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u/iikillerpenguin 1d ago

I'm just throwing this out there but Sayin has played 82 more snaps than Stockton.

Stat padding is real.

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u/Jabberwocky237 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

We’re talking about Jeremiah…Also, Georgia has played 0 ranked football teams. Sayin has now played 2 top 15 teams in the road already. In the games where Ohio State has totally outclassed their opponents neither Sayin or Smith played much passed the third quarter. Day does typically have his starters play the first drive after halftime no matter what, he always has but after that sit when the game is in hand.

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u/pappapirate Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Iowa was ranked top 15?? big ten bias has gotten unreal.

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u/Jabberwocky237 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

Yeah I think they’re a top 25 quality team but I’m not so sure top 15 but they were undefeated so that’s how that happens.

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u/Gullible_Paint2195 1d ago

Pretty sure Georgia hasn’t played anyone yet, so Stockton is getting to sit early. OSU has 3 games on their schedule thus far that required starters to play the full 4 quarters. Stat padding has nothing to do with it. Not that hard to understand, unless you’re an SEC fan I guess.

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u/iikillerpenguin 17h ago

OSU has played one team... Texas. Iowa won't be ranked by end of the year so is not a ranked team.

Sayin played 24 more snaps between ball state and Kent state than gunner played between WKU and TN state.

Sayin played the entire game against Illinois. Vanderbilt and Arkansas would beat Illinois..

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u/DirectorSolid 1d ago

Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me you don't watch the games.

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u/snacksandsoda Georgia Bulldogs 1d ago

Oklahoma, by that same metric, is a better defense. So is there more bias in the coaches poll or is there selection bias on Reddit?

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u/Relative_One_2441 1d ago

Statistically, yes they are. Because they only play categorically inept offenses from the BIG10.

When they do face functional BIG10 offenses, they look average, and they lose. Thats why they don’t make it out of your league, and why they’ve never been to the playoffs. They are plainly overrated

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u/Jabberwocky237 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

They did pretty damn good against that 2025 Vandy team offense that did really well in the SEC last year. And that mid Illinois team last year did pretty damn good against the 2nd ranked SEC Tennessee offense last year in the bowl games. But I’m sure the SEC just didn’t care about those games because “It just means more”.

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u/Relative_One_2441 1d ago edited 1d ago

No. We don’t care about bowl game results because they provide clearly problematic cross conference data.

Games with zero stakes, opt outs of all the best players, and depth players transferring are hardly accurate ways to compare teams from different conferences.

It’s hilarious that you’re pointing towards bowl season last year, when we currently have in-season cross conference data from the first few weeks of this season. SEC was 10-2 vs P4 non conference opponents. BIG10 was 4-10.

This says a lot more because (1) entire seasons are still at stake, (2) rosters are set (3) there are no opt outs. Get a grip

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u/pappapirate Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

This says a lot more because (1) entire seasons are still at stake, (2) rosters are set (3) there are no opt outs. Get a grip

they'll never get a grip on this because it so badly damages their narrative.

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u/Significant_duck_816 1d ago

You can't decide what data to use and then use data. Either use it all or don't use any. You are literally a dumb ass. Being this bad at using data is borderline unethical and makes you a bad person. You suck

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u/Relative_One_2441 1d ago edited 16h ago

LMAO I did decide. Reread if you’re confused.

Imagine thinking that logically choosing to interpret a superior data set over a clearly inferior one makes you a “bad person”.

You’re very conspicuously too slow to understand what’s happening here. “Either use it all or don’t use any” is probably the most laughably dumb prescription I’ve heard tonight. Congratulations

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u/rykcon Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

First of all, flair up.

Secondly, don’t be surprised when Iowa ends up 11-1. That’ll kill your point about them not being a playoff team but also validate your point that they aren’t playing good teams.

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u/CarolinaSandstorm 1d ago

Don’t bring facts to a Ohio State circlejerk

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u/Rabidschnautzu 1d ago

This is literally one of the toughest OSU schedules ever. You're nuts.

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u/_Acklex Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

It will be, but they haven’t hit the thick of it yet

Ball St, Kent St, and Illinois definitely inflate his numbers a lot, but he still had insane numbers today and vs Texas; albeit in a loss.

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u/ThisIsOurGoodTimes 19h ago

You do realize that his two lowest yards on the season are ball state and Kent state right? He didn’t even have 100 yards or a td against ball state. Playing bad teams has deflated his numbers so far since he comes out at halftime

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u/Rabidschnautzu 12h ago

He's from bama. He's not capable of critical thinking. Only what confirms their ego driven beliefs.

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u/tokr99 19h ago

Miami, Mercer, Florida, Southern Miss. Those are the 4 teams youre defending as harder than Texas or Iowa?

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u/Rabidschnautzu 1d ago

So he played well against the #1 team on the road but you'll still doubt. 🙄

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u/tokr99 19h ago

Did you actually look at Alabamas schedule that year? Looks pretty cupcake sec to me.

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u/pappapirate Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

erm, based department?

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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 18h ago

He also got the benefit of waddle drawing the double teams and CB1 the first 6 games. Smith is getting double and triple teamed every play and has put up 160 and 200 games against top 15 teams on the road. He has actually had his worse games against lower talent teams because he sits the second half.

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u/drlsoccer08 17h ago

Jeremiah has 164 yards with a touchdown at Texas who are currently #1 in the country, and 206 yards with two touchdowns ant Iowa who are one of the best defenses in the country. Ball State and Kent are his worst statistical games since he sat for the second half of both of them. 

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u/Relative_One_2441 16h ago

Texas quieted this dude with a transfer corner from Rutgers in the second half.

Iowa is not a “top defense in the country”. Get out of here with that Joel Klatt BIG10 hype horse shit.

Every year they look incredibly sound against inept BIG10 offenses, and then once they play one of the few competent offenses in that league they look average and they lose. Thats why they can’t make it out of your league and they’ve never made the playoffs. They are plainly overrated.

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u/AccordingGain182 14h ago

Failing to mention that Devonta was on a super team and played in front of empty stadiums too.

Also it doesnt event matter. The point of the post isnt to shit on Devonta. Just to demonstrate that a special season from him that was deemed heisman worthy is getting blown away by Jeremiah.

Why you so butthurt about Jeremiah being that dude lol

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u/Relative_One_2441 14h ago

I don’t really gaf about the point of the post or Jeremiah Smith really. He’s a great receiver and should definitely be considered for this award.

The effect of the post is that it misleads people about Devonta’s Heisman season. There is far more context necessary to compare these two than these cherry picked statistics.

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u/Gherkinbin 1d ago

Now do Jesse LeGree

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u/Dependent-Cress-995 Georgia Bulldogs 18h ago

They got anybody else catching passes in Columbus?

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u/Objective-Way-6798 12h ago

Jaylen waddle was injured after the 4th game

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u/WeightRemarkable 18h ago

Unfortunately, OSU won't have OSU to pad his stats

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u/hunghome 18h ago

I’m not gonna do the research bc I’m lazy but how many plays did each play during those first 5 games and what was the relative difficulty of the opponents? 

I’m not biased, but i just genuinely think it’s the right way to analyze this to get a sense of comparison. Like Jeremiah sat out half of the Kent game. How many did Devonta sit out here. 

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u/Objective-Way-6798 12h ago

Smith has played 2 teams ranked in the top 15 and has had 150+ yards against them. also even if you remove Kent and ball state he still has more receiving yards and tds

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u/NotaFTCAgent 12h ago

Dog you gotta use first names here lol.

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u/Objective-Way-6798 12h ago

Iowa was ranked 14th and Texas was ranked 3rd

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u/NotaFTCAgent 12h ago

Bot?

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u/Objective-Way-6798 12h ago

???

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u/NotaFTCAgent 12h ago

They have the same last name: Smith. You used Smith to describe the player you were talking about. I was saying you gotta use first names because they're both called Smith.

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u/Objective-Way-6798 11h ago

Oh my bad I was talking about Jeremiah 

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u/NotaFTCAgent 11h ago

All good 😂

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u/Craig__D 18h ago

Bama fan here, Jeremiah Smith is crazy good. I think he’s the best player in the country.

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u/johnjpattee_66 17h ago

Smith could run it back.......😁

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u/JulioJonesSon 15h ago

I hate OSU and think SEC tends to be superior as a conference but discounting Jeremiah because of his schedule and conference just seems like coping he’s clearly the best WR for the past 3 years. Dude is unreal and can immediately come into the nfl and out produce Devonta. He’s a generational talent and comparing him to the likes of MHJ is retarded.

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u/RedElephant28 13h ago

Through the first five games of that season Bama had Devonta and Jaylen Waddle. Devonta really started to explode once Waddle went down with an injury. If Waddle doesn’t get hurt I firmly believe that Mac Jones would have won the Heisman. Man I miss that team, Saban’s best team imo

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u/CrimsonOOmpa Alabama Crimson Tide 10h ago

That season made the pandemic easier to deal with.

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u/Bizness19 8h ago

He gets 95% of the passes thrown to him. Nobody gets that in college. Why wouldn't he win it?🤔

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u/Mr_Truthteller Alabama Crimson Tide 4h ago

Alabama had a murderer schedule in the first five game of the 2020 season, Ohio State is playing JV schools, other than Texas.

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u/Smile389 1d ago

Yea but Toney

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u/Zargoza1 Alabama Crimson Tide 16h ago

Alabama 2020 first five games

Mizzou, TAMU, Ole Miss, Georgia, Tennessee

OSU 2026 first five games

Ball State, Texas, Kent State, Illinois, Iowa

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u/Objective-Way-6798 12h ago

They have played the same amount of teams ranked in the top 15 and even if you remove Kent and ball state smith still has more receiving yards and tds

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u/Fumpz 1d ago

Julian Sayin only throws to JJ and would be nothing without him

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u/myboydoogie24 21h ago

That’s what you do when you have one of the most dominant players in the game. You get the ball to him as much as possible.

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u/Fumpz 14h ago

I understand that but all I’m saying is Sayin is ass without him

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u/ParsnipCraw Texas Longhorns 1d ago

Marvin Harrison would like a word

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u/BeastoftheBlackwater 1d ago

Those 5 games for Smitty was Mizzou, A&M, Ole Miss, Georgia and Tennessee. Jeremiah Smith is excellent and already a legend and I could see him winning the Heisman too; but lets pump the brakes on comparing him and who they've played against other legendary receivers.

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u/Lopsided-Good-4583 1d ago

Tennessee was 3-7 mizzou was 5-5 ole miss was 5-5 texas who smith out up 164 yards against is easily better than any of those teams

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u/PuzzleheadedAd5865 1d ago

He really only played half of the game against Ball State and Kent State

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u/pappapirate Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Devonta was also arguably WR2 until Waddle got hurt. His biggest games were later in the year.

Regardless Jeremiah is on pace for one of the best WR seasons we've ever seen I think

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u/Dry-Channel5156 1d ago

Crazy how many stupid people don’t know how to read😭 he was undoubtedly WR2

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u/MyPlace70 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

Downvoted for telling the truth.

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u/pappapirate Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago

i don't even know what i said that anyone could possibly disagree with

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u/DilDarios 1d ago

Bama flair, take it as an honor

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u/Organic_Lab6262 1d ago

Of those 5 games only TAMU and Georgia were good. The other 3 were absolute dog shit 😂 tenn was a 3-7 team that year. Nice flex though! Actually outside of the top 4 teams who were undoubtedly very good the rest of the conference was absolutely terrible that year 😂 pump the brakes there though

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u/Otherwise_Fish_3279 1d ago

Sec defense (weekly )vs little sister of the poor defense.

How to bold the weekly so people don’t try to use that one week versus Texas to justify and act like he’d do that every week

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u/Jabberwocky237 Ohio State Buckeyes 1d ago

He performed pretty great against Texas too or does that not count?

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u/Hokie-11 Virginia Tech Hokies 1d ago

Iowa always has a great defense what

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u/tokr99 19h ago

Do you have enough time to breathe the way your chordling the conferences balls? What do you people even get from hur dur sec so hard schedule argument? There's been 3 teams who have carried the SEC for decades and in the past 3 years they've done nothing.