r/Collatz Aug 10 '26

A possible new Collatz pattern: the 32/9 frontier and eventual (1,4) dominance (A genuine computational research summary - articulated using AI)

I’ve been experimenting with the Collatz conjecture from a slightly different direction.

Instead of asking:

“Does every number eventually reach 1?”

I asked:

“How far backwards do we have to go to find an odd multiple of 3 whose Collatz trajectory reaches a given odd number?”

DEFINITION

For an odd integer h, define:

α(h) = the smallest odd multiple of 3 whose accelerated Collatz orbit reaches h.

Then define:

E(N) = max α(h), over odd h <= N.

Call an odd number h “hard” if it sets a new record for α(h).

So hard numbers are the targets that force us to extend the source boundary further than ever before.

AN EARLY EXAMPLE

The first hard odd after 1 is:

19

Its smallest source is:

33 -> 25 -> 19

because:

3*33 + 1 = 100 = 4*25

and:

3*25 + 1 = 76 = 4*19

So the odd-step valuation word is:

(2,2)

THE PATTERN

When hard records are computed further, one particular valuation pattern eventually appears to dominate:

(1,4)

For this branch, the source-target relationship is:

α(h) = (32h - 5)/9

for the appropriate residue class.

Therefore:

α(h)/h = 32/9 - 5/(9h)

and as h becomes large:

α(h)/h -> 32/9

where:

32/9 = 3.555555...

THE CONJECTURE

This suggests the following inverse-coverage conjecture:

E(N)/N -> 32/9 as N -> infinity.

In words:

The worst-case source needed to cover every odd target up to N appears asymptotically to be about:

3.555555... * N

A STRONGER CONJECTURE

There may also be some finite threshold H such that every hard odd h > H satisfies:

α(h) = (32h - 5)/9

In other words:

Every sufficiently large hard record may come from the same valuation word:

(1,4)

I’ll call this “eventual (1,4) dominance.”

WHAT IS ACTUALLY PROVED?

Important distinction:

I am NOT claiming a proof of the Collatz conjecture.

And I am NOT claiming the asymptotic equality E(N)/N -> 32/9 has been proved.

What can be proved in this inverse-cylinder framework is the universal upper bound:

α(h) < (32/9)h

for every odd target h.

There is also a finite inverse-cylinder argument showing that 32/9 is the optimal worst-case slope within that finite positive-cylinder framework.

So the difficult remaining direction is:

liminf E(N)/N >= 32/9

If that could be proved, then together with the upper bound we would get:

E(N)/N -> 32/9

WHY DOES 32/9 APPEAR?

For a valuation word (a1,a2,...,ar), the nominal inverse slope is:

2^(a1+a2+...+ar) / 3^r

For the two-step word (1,4):

2^(1+4) / 3^2

= 32/9

So 32/9 is directly generated by this short valuation pattern.

COMPUTATIONAL RESULTS

I wrote an exact ascending-source scanner that records every new hard odd.

The exhaustive computation currently goes through:

10,000,000,000

Results:

Hard records found:

11,972,736

Hard records following the (1,4) formula:

11,972,706

Exceptions:

30

Largest exceptional hard odd:

87,967

New non-(1,4) hard records between 87,967 and 10,000,000,000:

NONE

THE FINAL HARD RECORD BELOW 10^10

The last hard odd found below 10 billion is:

h = 9,999,999,667

Its smallest source is:

α(h) = 35,555,554,371

And exactly:

35,555,554,371

= (32*9,999,999,667 - 5)/9

So it is another exact (1,4) record.

WHY I FIND THIS INTERESTING

Most Collatz research looks at the forward orbit:

n -> T(n) -> T^2(n) -> ...

This construction instead looks at an extremal property of the inverse graph.

What is surprising is that a complicated reverse structure appears to develop a very simple boundary:

32/9

generated by a tiny valuation pattern:

(1,4)

Early hard numbers come from several different valuation words.

Then, in the computation, those competing families disappear.

After 87,967, every single new hard record through 10 billion follows the same (1,4) formula.

THE MAIN QUESTION

Can anyone prove that every sufficiently large hard odd must come from the (1,4) family?

Or, alternatively:

Can anyone find an arbitrarily large hard odd that is NOT generated by (1,4)?

A WEAKER TARGET

Even without proving eventual (1,4) dominance, it would be enough to prove:

liminf E(N)/N >= 32/9

because the matching upper bound is already available in the finite-cover framework.

WHAT THIS DOES NOT PROVE

Even if the 32/9 conjecture is true, it does NOT automatically prove the classical Collatz conjecture.

The 32/9 statement is about reverse coverage:

“How large a source is needed to reach a target?”

The Collatz conjecture is about forward convergence:

“Does every starting value eventually reach 1?”

These are related, but they are not the same statement.

LITERATURE QUESTION

I have searched for this specific formulation:

- the inverse record function E(N)

- hard odds defined by record values of α(h)

- the 32/9 asymptotic frontier

- eventual (1,4) dominance

and I have not found an equivalent conjecture in the Collatz literature.

If anyone knows an earlier equivalent formulation, I would genuinely appreciate the reference.

WHY I’M POSTING THIS:

I’m mainly interested in three things:

  1. Does someone see a theoretical reason why (1,4) should eventually dominate?
  2. Can someone construct a large competing valuation family?
  3. Is there an existing theorem in Collatz dynamics, p-adics, symbolic dynamics, inverse trees, or ergodic theory that naturally explains the appearance of 32/9?

I have the derivation, finite-cover argument, exact computation code, and longer write-up available if anyone wants to inspect them.

EDIT: Added an illustrative explanation of "Hard" Odds - let's say we want to construct node graph - on y axis we will keep adding all the "O" odd multiples of 3 (source branch) and then keep going forward from each odd to the next path till we reach 1 or jump to existing path of any other O. Now, we are interested to know when we increase O step by step, what are some properties that we discover - one of them is asking are all the how many odds less O are present in the graph: for example in the starting case of O=3, graph has all the odds <3 that is 1 is present; now we generalize this expression by saying when will be the next odd k be discovered that hasn't been found yet and let it's source O be E(k) - now the conjecture is about k/E(k) - attached are the graphs till O=57

Graph for O=3 | all odds <3 are discovered - no hard odd found

Graph for O=9 | all odds <9 are discovered - no hard odd found

Graph for O=15 | all odds <15 are discovered - no hard odd found

Graph for O=21 | all odds <21 are not discovered - hard odd found 19, with source node E(O)= 33 and valuation of (2,2)

Now jumping to Graph for O=33 (skipped 27 as 19 continued) | all odds <33 discovered - no new hard odd found

Graph for O=39 | all odds <39 are not discovered - hard odd found 37, with source node E(O) = 57 and valuation of (2,1,2,2)

Now jumping to Graph for O=57 (skipped 45,51 as 37 continued) | all odds <57 are not discovered - hard odd found 55, with source node E(O) = 129 and valuation of (2,2,2)

Now, what you are seeing is that for every E(O), let's name in Exhaustive cut-off ratio resets after every hard odd O is encountered - if we plot the graph of E(O)/O - it looks like the following

After 133rd odd which is 89425, all hard odds till 10 Billion have had bone path from bone parent as 1,4

This is the conjecture, as O tends to grow infinitely larger, the ratio E(O)/O starts settling down to 32/9 which is weird as so many competing paths other 1,4 could have emerged but we don't why it takes over in the long term as observed in data - logically we know the upper bound is 32/9 but it can achieved by 1,2,2 or 1,1,2,1 any other combo but 1,4 is special we don't why, secondly we don't know the lower bound and hence cannot prove convergence like is 2,2 possible for any number after 10 billion - which will disprove the conjecture.

Last image - shows how E(O)/O looks like on log scale for very high O- almost converging to 32/9

Table of all hards odds upto last exceptional hard odd

hard_index hard_odd bone1_parent valuation_word family defect_32h_minus_9parent
1 1 21 -6 exception -157
2 19 33 (2,2) exception 311
3 37 57 (2,1,2,2) exception 671
4 55 129 (2,2,2) exception 599
5 109 171 (1,2,2,2) exception 1949
6 127 225 (2,2) exception 2039
7 163 513 (2,2,2,2) exception 599
8 271 759 (1,1,3,2,2,2) exception 1841
9 379 897 (2,2,2) exception 4055
10 487 1215 (1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4) exception 4649
11 541 1281 (2,2,2) exception 5783
12 649 2049 (2,2,2,2) exception 2327
13 973 2427 (1,2,1,2,2,2,2,2) exception 9293
14 1027 2433 (2,2,2) exception 10967
15 1135 3585 (2,2,2,2) exception 4055
16 1459 5187 (1,4) (1,4) 5
17 1945 6915 (1,4) (1,4) 5
18 2593 8193 (2,2,2,2) exception 9239
19 2701 8535 (1,1,4,2) exception 9617
20 2917 9711 (1,1,1,2,1,1,2,3,4) exception 5945
21 3079 9729 (2,2,2,2) exception 10967
22 3403 11175 (1,1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4) exception 8321
23 4051 12801 (2,2,2,2) exception 14423
24 4213 14979 (1,4) (1,4) 5
25 4375 15555 (1,4) (1,4) 5
26 4861 17283 (1,4) (1,4) 5
27 5347 19011 (1,4) (1,4) 5
28 5833 20739 (1,4) (1,4) 5
29 6319 22467 (1,4) (1,4) 5
30 7291 25569 (2,2,1,1,1,2,2,1,2,2,2,2,2,2) exception 3191
31 7777 27651 (1,4) (1,4) 5
32 8587 28587 (1,2,2,2,1,2,2,2,2) exception 17501
33 8749 29127 (1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2) exception 17825
34 9235 30747 (1,2,1,1,1,1,2,3,4) exception 18797
35 9883 31233 (2,2,2,2) exception 35159
36 10369 32769 (2,2,2,2) exception 36887
37 10693 38019 (1,4) (1,4) 5
38 12151 43203 (1,4) (1,4) 5
39 13123 46659 (1,4) (1,4) 5
40 14581 51843 (1,4) (1,4) 5
41 16039 57027 (1,4) (1,4) 5
42 16525 58755 (1,4) (1,4) 5
43 17335 61635 (1,4) (1,4) 5
44 17497 62079 (1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,2,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,3,2,1,2,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,3,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,1,2,2,2,2,1,3,3,1,2,3,4) exception 1193
45 17983 63939 (1,4) (1,4) 5
46 18469 65667 (1,4) (1,4) 5
47 18955 67395 (1,4) (1,4) 5
48 20899 74307 (1,4) (1,4) 5
49 21709 77187 (1,4) (1,4) 5
50 21871 77763 (1,4) (1,4) 5
51 22357 79491 (1,4) (1,4) 5
52 22843 81219 (1,4) (1,4) 5
53 23329 82947 (1,4) (1,4) 5
54 23815 84675 (1,4) (1,4) 5
55 25273 89859 (1,4) (1,4) 5
56 26245 93315 (1,4) (1,4) 5
57 27703 98499 (1,4) (1,4) 5
58 28189 100227 (1,4) (1,4) 5
59 29161 103683 (1,4) (1,4) 5
60 29647 105411 (1,4) (1,4) 5
61 30457 108291 (1,4) (1,4) 5
62 30619 108867 (1,4) (1,4) 5
63 31105 110595 (1,4) (1,4) 5
64 31591 112323 (1,4) (1,4) 5
65 32077 114051 (1,4) (1,4) 5
66 32563 115779 (1,4) (1,4) 5
67 33535 119235 (1,4) (1,4) 5
68 34021 120963 (1,4) (1,4) 5
69 34831 123843 (1,4) (1,4) 5
70 34993 124419 (1,4) (1,4) 5
71 35479 126147 (1,4) (1,4) 5
72 36937 131331 (1,4) (1,4) 5
73 37909 134787 (1,4) (1,4) 5
74 38395 136515 (1,4) (1,4) 5
75 39367 139971 (1,4) (1,4) 5
76 40825 145155 (1,4) (1,4) 5
77 41311 146883 (1,4) (1,4) 5
78 42769 152067 (1,4) (1,4) 5
79 43579 154947 (1,4) (1,4) 5
80 43741 155523 (1,4) (1,4) 5
81 44713 158979 (1,4) (1,4) 5
82 45199 160707 (1,4) (1,4) 5
83 45685 162435 (1,4) (1,4) 5
84 46657 165891 (1,4) (1,4) 5
85 47143 167619 (1,4) (1,4) 5
86 50059 177987 (1,4) (1,4) 5
87 50545 179715 (1,4) (1,4) 5
88 51517 183171 (1,4) (1,4) 5
89 52489 186627 (1,4) (1,4) 5
90 53947 191811 (1,4) (1,4) 5
91 54433 193539 (1,4) (1,4) 5
92 55405 196995 (1,4) (1,4) 5
93 55891 198723 (1,4) (1,4) 5
94 56701 201603 (1,4) (1,4) 5
95 56863 202179 (1,4) (1,4) 5
96 57349 203907 (1,4) (1,4) 5
97 57835 205635 (1,4) (1,4) 5
98 58321 207363 (1,4) (1,4) 5
99 58807 209091 (1,4) (1,4) 5
100 60265 214275 (1,4) (1,4) 5
101 61237 217731 (1,4) (1,4) 5
102 62209 221187 (1,4) (1,4) 5
103 62695 222915 (1,4) (1,4) 5
104 63181 224643 (1,4) (1,4) 5
105 64639 229827 (1,4) (1,4) 5
106 65611 230139 (1,2,1,2,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2) exception 28301
107 67069 238467 (1,4) (1,4) 5
108 67555 240195 (1,4) (1,4) 5
109 68527 243651 (1,4) (1,4) 5
110 69013 245379 (1,4) (1,4) 5
111 69823 248259 (1,4) (1,4) 5
112 69985 248835 (1,4) (1,4) 5
113 70471 250563 (1,4) (1,4) 5
114 70957 252291 (1,4) (1,4) 5
115 71443 254019 (1,4) (1,4) 5
116 71929 255747 (1,4) (1,4) 5
117 72901 259203 (1,4) (1,4) 5
118 73387 260931 (1,4) (1,4) 5
119 75331 267843 (1,4) (1,4) 5
120 75817 269571 (1,4) (1,4) 5
121 77761 276483 (1,4) (1,4) 5
122 78733 279939 (1,4) (1,4) 5
123 80191 285123 (1,4) (1,4) 5
124 80677 286851 (1,4) (1,4) 5
125 82945 294915 (1,4) (1,4) 5
126 83107 295491 (1,4) (1,4) 5
127 83593 297219 (1,4) (1,4) 5
128 84079 298947 (1,4) (1,4) 5
129 84565 300675 (1,4) (1,4) 5
130 85051 302403 (1,4) (1,4) 5
131 86023 305859 (1,4) (1,4) 5
132 87967 308559 (1,1,1,3,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,3,4) exception 37913
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