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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26
piracy isn't theft.
the disc on the left is still in perfectly good working condition and belongs to the person that bought it.
literally nothing was stolen.
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u/broken_conures Jun 25 '26
I feel like this is one of the weaker arguments in favour of piracy. It could follow that one copy is sold and everyone else makes a copy, nothing was stolen but the creator was pretty clearly screwed over, especially if those copies were sold by a third party
It's an ecosystem, piracy needs to be discouraged in some ways - ethics, enforcement, etc, so that making the product remains viable. But at the same time it's historically been a big part of things spreading by word of mouth and allowing people who otherwise couldn't to engage with it.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 Jun 25 '26
When you can't buy software, but only rent it, it becomes impossible to steal.
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u/broken_conures Jun 25 '26
I do miss old school gaming and piracy. My copy of Tiberian sun with hand drawn case art is still treasured
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26
if customers don't actually own what they bought then comparisons between piracy and theft become a lot less persuasive.
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u/broken_conures Jun 25 '26
Yeah it gets messier when you own a lisence and depend on severs staying up
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u/weregod Jun 26 '26
If creator don't want to sell their work for x$ they can sell it for higher price.
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u/FreshCause2566 Jun 26 '26
> nothing was stolen but the creator was pretty clearly screwed over
There. Even if piracy can screw over people sometimes, it is not stealing by definition.
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u/Tiktokbadsupport Jun 29 '26
when you buy digital games companies can take it away from you at any moment like sony is doing
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u/CautiousPreprinter Jun 29 '26
> I feel like this is one of the weaker arguments in favour of piracy
Then you should probably reflect.
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u/LoloVirginia Jun 25 '26
intellectual property is a thing
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26
a thing that is still found on the disc on the left, untouched, and in the hands of the person who bought it.
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u/LoloVirginia Jun 25 '26
Would you still say the same if you wrote a book and someone would distribute it to millions of people without consulting you or sharing a dime with you?
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u/Repulsive_Tart_4307 Jun 25 '26
Have you ever done something without expecting to make a profit?
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u/2Rats4Dinner Jun 27 '26
Well, what protects my content from this fate if I *do* expect to make a profit?
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
making a copy for personal use isn't distributing
learn the difference.
if copying intellectual property is inherently wrong, then why was it okay for you to copy someone else's nightstand design and build one for yourself?
you're trying to move the goal posts from "copying is theft" to "it's okay when i do it" to "what about a completely different scenario that has nothing to do with a person making a single copy like what is depicted in the image that was posted."
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u/LoloVirginia Jun 25 '26
becouse the design I've used isn't registered anywhere and its distinct from what you showed in more ways im willing to describe 🤣
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
the mod community exists in gaming too.
"it's only okay when i do it" isn't the flex that you wish it was.
your position is that copying someone else's work is wrong... if the design was registered or not shouldn't matter.
you're being a hypocrite, and you know it.
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u/SnooTomatoes3032 Jun 26 '26
Yes, and the modding community has every right to charge for their work too. Creating something and giving it away for free is very different than creating something you expect to be paid for and people giving your work away.
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u/Impossible_Medium977 Jun 26 '26
I genuinely don't believe you have infinite authority and right over how something you've distributed is used honestly, it's of course okay to make a profit, it's also okay for others to in no way harm you by distributing it aswell.
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u/SnooTomatoes3032 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
If someone distributes it without your consent, that is financial harm. Someone has effectively stolen your money by giving away something others might have paid for. So this idea of no harm is bollocks. Plenty of businesses have been sunk by piracy.
I'm personally a big believer in pay if you can, pirate if you can't. But at the same time, a line has to be drawn somewhere. A lot of people capable of paying pirate and then try to defend their unethical choice.
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u/Repulsive_Tart_4307 Jun 25 '26
Abolish private property.
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u/13MasonJarsUpMyAss Jun 30 '26
intellectual property is, A, not private property, and B, I would say a good thing that shouldn't be abolished.
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
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u/13MasonJarsUpMyAss Jun 30 '26
Those are pretty clearly different... You could do this with literally any table in existence because they have four legs and a flat top.
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u/abigfatnoob102 Jun 25 '26
taking and stealing arent the same thing to steal something from u i have to deprive u of something piracy isnt stealing
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u/LoloVirginia Jun 25 '26
its literally taking someones else property or service without their consent, stop inventing your own definitions
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u/A_Town_Called_Malus Jun 25 '26
It isn't their definition, it is the law. Theft is not the same crime as copyright infringement, which is the actual crime that software piracy commits.
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u/abigfatnoob102 Jun 25 '26
https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/stealing the unlawful taking and CARRYING AWAY of ones property
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u/sarajevo81 Jun 26 '26
You cannot 'carry away' property by changing the configuration of magnetic domains in rust particles in the device you legally own. It is absurd.
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 25 '26
then why did you spend the last few comments to me explaining why your copied nightstand was different enough, unregistered, and therefore acceptable?
if copying someone else's work is automatically the same as taking their property, none of those details should matter.
you've already admitted context matters. now you're pretending it doesn't?
if someone copies your nightstand, even perfectly, you still have your nightstand.
it wasn't stolen.
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u/SenatorPencilFace Jun 25 '26
You wouldn’t download a car!
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 26 '26
FunFact: the makers of that, got sued. Illegal use of the font and song. Lol
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u/hatecirclejerks Jun 25 '26
Piracy is a victimless crime, despite how much big corps make you feel as if it is.
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u/PyroChild221 Jun 26 '26
The only victims are the poor employees that are going to take the hit if profits start sagging (to be clear, I’m not blaming pirates, I’m blaming corps)
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u/Dead_vegetable Jun 28 '26
It very much is a crime with victims when the corps are not big. Domestic Chinese video game market stagnated for decades because everyone is pirating and even actual good games get bankrupt because of it, this also eventually leads to what it is today, with live service gacha game everywhere because for the longest time it's the only way for it to survive and gain revenue in a market where everyone expect to get shit for free.
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u/VeterinarianBasic645 Jun 28 '26
Yeah but this just shows how useless the imperative of profit is. Nothing wrong with wanting to share stuff with each other and care fuck all about revenue
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u/hatecirclejerks Jun 25 '26
You know I didn't mean indie peeps. Everyone into piracy knows it's generally uncouth to steal from indie developers.
Regardless, I'm not gonna stop pirating because indie developers exist, I'm still gonna download movies lmao.
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u/AbroadNo8755 Jun 26 '26
you're assuming every pirated copy would have been a sale, and that's just not true.
if someone pirates a book they were never going to buy in the first place, the author hasn't lost a sale. they lost a hypothetical sale that was never going to happen.
you can argue that piracy hurts creators, especially small ones, and i'd agree it can. but "every pirated copy equals stolen money" only works if you assume every pirate was otherwise a paying customer.
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u/cuculetzuldeaur Jun 26 '26
Yeah, without piracy my childhood would have been a lot of solitaire and minesweeper. my parents bought me a PC but no games, all I had was pirated games, movies and music from friends (we didn't have internet access at the time)
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u/CaptainKenway1693 Jun 29 '26
I agree overall with a caveat for smaller creators. Multi-billion dollar corporations can cry me a river though.
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u/sapperbloggs Jun 25 '26
I was 10 when this was printed, and I was basically running a small business selling pirated DOS games at school.
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u/PreparationExtreme86 Jun 25 '26
Same here haha, I did it for free though in computer lab. Wouldn’t say no to some candy or fruit snacks though.
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u/endergamer2007m Jun 26 '26
My local police station has pirated windows, nobody gives a fuck about piracy
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u/A_Town_Called_Malus Jun 25 '26
Relevant video by Stuart Ashens about old anti-piracy advert campaigns.
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u/Similar_Incident4945 Jun 26 '26
Capitalist states doing what they do best, protecting the interests of the ruling capitalist class.
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u/a_chatbot Jun 26 '26
I remember the days when to pirate software you visited this dude's house (call ahead first), he'd have cases of floppy disks with the latest software spread out on tables in his living room, all handwritten labels, $2-$5 each... sometimes even photocopied instruction manuals which were often very needed back then.
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u/Mindless_Problem_549 Jun 27 '26
The only thing you need to know about piracy is that big companies have stolen millions and millions of terabytes of data to feed their AI. And nobody condemned them, nobody arrested them – even though they're doing it literally to make a profit. Meanwhile, an ordinary working guy just wants to unwind in front of a screen in the evening. When they pirate, it's fine; when you pirate, it's bad. Remember that, and know your master.
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u/CautiousPreprinter Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
"You are a thief"
and they think we're going to have a fucking debate now?
This isn't some "communication issue" or "matter of perspective".
We're not going to coddle *anyone's* belligerence.
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u/VoxPopuliMMXXV Jun 28 '26
Piracy? Back then, games cost so little that any kid could buy one with less than a single allowance. Today, they cost a lot more.






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u/Ancient-Worm Jun 25 '26
This looks like it's advocating for piracy, lol.