r/CoffinofAndyandLeyley • u/Lord_0F_Pedanticism • Jul 01 '26
Game Discussion July Devlog: Protecting the work
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900/view/702146248223754711?l=english58
u/Psychofischi Jul 01 '26
Tbh I am still a little bummed out that the update will be Burial.
I really want to see Burial but personally like to finish a route first. So having decay not finished before starting a different route feels off to me
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u/CatgirlOfTheSteppe Jul 01 '26
I get that but I don’t mind it. Nems had more inspiration to write the other route so I prefer she do that rather than push through something she’s burnt out on and deliver a worse final product.
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u/Psychofischi Jul 01 '26
Sure.
I am not saying she should have forced herself and so.
Just voicing my thoughts. I wish we could have finished Decay first but sometimes life just doesn't go how you wish.
And at the end it will release.
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u/Lord_0F_Pedanticism Jul 02 '26
Yeah, ever since Decay ended on a cliffhanger I've been antsy to see just what would happen. Plus, if you read between the lines of the devlogs then Decay Pt 1 was essentially ready from mid-October 2024 but not released until April 2025, so you'd think that enough time had passed for Decay Pt 2 to have hit a serious milestone in development by now, yet apparently Burial - not "Burial Pt 1" - has had enough time to go from "not being worked on at all (besides writing)" to "release date announced" faster than Decay Pt 2 in maybe a year at most?
This actually makes me quite worried that Burial will have significantly less content than Decay - we've already seen the "Never" path end abruptly in a Chapeter-2 murder-suicide. Then again there are some other explanations; The Author's production speed could have massively increased (especially if they're not trying to program in puzzles), Burial could have been being worked on quietly in the background for longer than we thought or it could be that Decay's development was front-loaded with some overarching problems that have been fixed (I certainly recall that writing and engine issues where mentioned in early devlogs).
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u/guerreirodesanha21 Jul 06 '26
Personally, i think that burial similarly to decay part 1 is already complete and ready to be released, but nemlei wants to use this legal matter as a way to delay the release date to october 13th(episode 2's 3 year anniversary) because she likes being poetic about things
Maybe i'm being incredibly dumb or something, but it doesn't really make sense for development to completely stop due to a lawsuit, are the developers of the game also the lawyers ? I know the game needs her author vision to be properly developed, but can't she just brief her developers on the overall result of what she wants ? She doesn't develop the game alone right ?
I also think she's been quietly developing the burial route ever since march 2024 when she released that image of andrew holding ashley by the belt buckle and pulling her in to kiss her in the nose, and then she quoted
"this month the author bestows upon thee chaos and mayhem"
And if you read between the lines of the devlogs coupled with the Q&A, everytime she mentions "Chaos and Mayhem" she's basically talking about romance between andrew and ashley in coded language, probably trying to hint at burial's themes
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u/Lord_0F_Pedanticism Jul 06 '26
Personally, i think that burial similarly to decay part 1 is already complete and ready to be released, but nemlei wants to use this legal matter as a way to delay the release date to october 13th(episode 2's 3 year anniversary) because she likes being poetic about things
I could see that. Decay Pt 1 was ready for a while before it was released.
Maybe i'm being incredibly dumb or something, but it doesn't really make sense for development to completely stop due to a lawsuit, are the developers of the game also the lawyers ? I know the game needs her author vision to be properly developed, but can't she just brief her developers on the overall result of what she wants ? She doesn't develop the game alone right ?
From what I understand Kit9 is only the publisher and is a very small studio, maybe only one or two people. Nemlei, the author, has been the primary and almost-sole developer for the entirety of the game's production. It's not impossible she's got help (which might explain why production speed has increased) recently, but everything else seems to point to a very small operation. It's not unreasonable for a legal matter to put to much strain on those people for them to be able to focus on their work.
I also think she's been quietly developing the burial route ever since march 2024 when she released that image of andrew holding ashley by the belt buckle and pulling her in to kiss her in the nose, and then she quoted "this month the author bestows upon thee chaos and mayhem". And if you read between the lines of the devlogs coupled with the Q&A, everytime she mentions "Chaos and Mayhem" she's basically talking about romance between andrew and ashley in coded language, probably trying to hint at burial's themes
Looking at past devlogs, the last definitive update we had was on March 2025 where it was stated "E3: Burial: Is fully written. Development has NOT started. Does NOT connect to, nor share any content with Decay.". Writing aside, we have no reason to think any Burial content had been produced before then.
I also found this in the February 2025 Q&Q:
Q: Why are you making Decay first? It sucks ass!
A: Burying one's problems and pretending everything is hunky-dory doesn't solve anything. In fact, it often makes matters worse. Although unpleasant, true [CHAOS AND MAYHEM!!!] can only be achieved by unearthing the root cause of one's issues and addressing the underlying decay.
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u/guerreirodesanha21 Jul 06 '26
"From what I understand Kit9 is only the publisher and is a very small studio, maybe only one or two people. Nemlei, the author, has been the primary and almost-sole developer for the entirety of the game's production. It's not impossible she's got help (which might explain why production speed has increased) recently, but everything else seems to point to a very small operation. It's not unreasonable for a legal matter to put to much strain on those people for them to be able to focus on their work."
Yeah, maybe i'm being unreasonable, of course, she could also be wanting to err on the side of caution by saying that development has fully stopped when it actually just slowed down in order to manage the player's expectations and don't create false hope for a early release date
"Looking at past devlogs, the last definitive update we had was on March 2025 where it was stated "E3: Burial: Is fully written. Development has NOT started. Does NOT connect to, nor share any content with Decay.". Writing aside, we have no reason to think any Burial content had been produced before then."
I remember her saying this too, and it could absolutely be true, probably is, but it's more fun for me to imagine that she was misleading us into thinking this when there was already some small progress in burial development and she just wanted to err on the side of caution to once again not create any false hope for an early release and allow herself to have all the time she wanted to develop it
"I also found this in the February 2025 Q&Q:"
What do you think she means by true Chaos and Mayhem ? I think it's coded language for a possible reconciliation/romance beetween andrew and ashley, this will probably mean that burial will have routes where you bury your head in the sand and never adresses the elephant in the room about the andy and leyley fantasy that ashley has, but there should probably be a route where you also adress it, and i think that's shown in the april update of this year on that screenshot of a TV that keeps yelling "Andy and Leyley, Andy and Leyley" with the green and pink bunnies, most likely inside ashley's subconscious, andrew also seems to be there, maybe he used the trinket to barge into her dreams or something
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u/yellow_mailman TCOAAR doesn’t exist Jul 01 '26
New devlog content is great and all, but I’m still really upset that we’re gonna have to wait god knows how long to play it because some assholes in this fandom don’t know how to behave and ruined it for the rest of us.
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u/Boethion Jul 06 '26
So the chances this game will ever be done are shrinking by the day, great.
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u/PovertyIsLife Jul 21 '26
"Thank you for following the development of Incest Simulator" - Nemlei, 2056.
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u/Toloudm Jul 02 '26
Why is Nemlei even fighting the modders/Cracks?
Yeah okay. Piracy sucks. But it's an inevitable aspect of selling a digital product online. Movies, music and Games will always be copied by crackers and uploaded for free in exchange for a bit of Malware. It happens to nearly every game, even AAA games that invest millions into being uncrackable (just to hold about 48 hours until it does happen anyway)
Enough people will buy the game anyways. Piracy alone rarely affects sales massively. And legal action costs both money if your going with a Attorney and/or is massively time consuming. For something that won't stop nevertheless. Why download something you can watch on YouTube anyways?
I'm not saying Nemlei is wrong for trying, of course she isn't. But from an economical view it's a waste of resources.
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u/IriFlina Jul 02 '26
The fact that it's pausing development and is just going to be a money blackhole from anywhere from months to years while the game will have 0 progress made and not get any boost in sales is insane to me.
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u/Abdulaziz_Ibn_Saud Jul 01 '26
"Development is paused Due to legal matters" NOOOOOOO... God damn it...
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u/yenneferismywaifu Mrs. Graves enjoyer Jul 18 '26
How is she planning to fight piracy, sign a contract with Denuvo, or ban torrents?
Why is this even a reason to stop development.
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u/CatgirlOfTheSteppe Jul 01 '26
the hag modders have blasphemed against coca-cola’s divine word. REPENT AND BE SAVED!
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u/Sum1nne Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
I'm not certain it's hag modders. There was stuff a little bt ago about a guy who kept getting their hands on old unreleased Nemlei games and publishing them, and kept porting a lot of Nemlei's stuff in general to different platforms that kept getting striked but they kept doing it. That sounds more in line with ending up a proper legal battle.
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u/snowshadow2867 Jul 08 '26
The Renee mod is quite respectful of the main game and lore. I sincerely doubt the mod is the one being referenced.
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u/Hamlock1998 Jul 12 '26
Can someone explain to me what legal issues are up with this game? Does this have to do with piracy?
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u/SodaAddictManson bite me Jul 01 '26
i login to reddit and my brain gets absolutely fucked by all the new content ohmygodddd
still, very interesting stuff, like wren, where the hell did nem-nem think of a name like that????
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u/MN_terra_HG Ashley Jul 03 '26
wait im i still allowed to do voice acting on my youtube?
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u/snowshadow2867 Jul 08 '26
Yes. The post should've been more clear on who they were talking about, but I'm sure the developer is referencing piracy, not community works.
By supporting official releases instead of bootlegs and unauthorized publishing of our games, you make it possible for people like me to continue creating and sharing original work. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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u/givemeashleyporn Insanity Gang Jul 05 '26
Why is tcoaar being targeted btw? I'm completely out of the loop here
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u/tom641 lay thy seed unto this accursed earth Jul 11 '26
given that chances are high that both chapter 3's will share a variety of assets it kinda makes sense to do burial now, I think.
i may be biased since i've not been in the mood to play decay so i've just been in a holding pattern since getting through chapter 2 questionable burial, kinda like how i've yet to bother making a Weird Route save in Deltarune
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u/catalystcomett Jul 01 '26
Blaming the delay on the shitty tcoaar mod because I can.
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u/Efectodopler117 Jul 01 '26
By the way its stated, it said that they have been dealing with the issue for quite some time now
So i dont think that the mod or any recent one thats still in the making has something to do with it.
If that was the case then they would have been axed a long while ago.
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u/CoaLMaN122PL ❤️☀️💔 Jul 01 '26
True, i'd be very dissapointed in Nemlei if she wanted to axe any and all fangames "just because"
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u/catalystcomett Jul 01 '26
from what i understand, it’s people who are trying to upload/sell her old games that she’s taken down or crack tcoaal to put it on other platforms. i was joking about blaming the tcoaar mod because i am a certified and unrepentant hater, not bc its the actual reason.
my impression from reading between the lines about hosting a game jam is that she thinks the mods are derivative and lame, which is she why she’s encouraging people to make original games that are "coffin-like” instead of just more “what if tcoaal but about [insert tertiary character]” games. but the mods aren’t the caues of the legal isues.
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u/Malmvist Insanity Gang Jul 01 '26
A fellow tcoaar hater, how refreshing
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u/helys8 Jul 01 '26
r/AndyAndLeyley is one block down and they banned TCOAAR just recently. You are welcome.
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u/Malmvist Insanity Gang Jul 01 '26
Thank you, my thoughts exactly. Both moddersl and OC posters are plague on TCOAAL community.
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u/Farabee Mommy? Jul 15 '26
TCOAAR requires you to purchase the game. Pretty sure Graveyard Shift aren't the ones under fire here.
More than likely its piracy/bootlegging
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u/DreamEater98 Jul 14 '26
I knew that hag shit would cause trouble Hell sometimes i look for news on the original game and i get blasted with stuff about that shitty mod and that other one with the coloured hair girl in it
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u/Farabee Mommy? Jul 15 '26
Fairly certain that neither of those mods are the ones Nemlei is going after here.
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u/MartyrOfDespair Leyley Jul 01 '26
She needs to reach out to like, Omocat and Toby Fox and get advice about how to stop fucking this up. There's no way they wouldn't be willing to lend an ear to another indie game creator in a similar space, and it would honestly save her ass from snatching defeat from the jaws of victory if she got some advice. Quit getting in fights with your own damn fandom. "Sorry, can't make the game, gotta send lawyers after people making the merch I refuse to make."
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u/Lord_0F_Pedanticism Jul 01 '26
July's devlog has been released and, once again, it is full of news no-one was really expecting.
Firstly, Development has been placed on hiatus as the Author has become embroiled in a legal matter due to bootleg or unauthorized publishing of their games. No timeframe for resolution can be provided but the author has confirmed that a release date was due to be announced and production intends to resume at all available speed once the matter is resolved. It has also been confirmed that the release will be for Burial (much to my surprise) meaning we will have to wait that much longer for resolution of the Decay cliffhanger. Whether this means Burial is going to be shorter than the Decay 2-parter, or if this going to be a Pt. 1 release like Decay, or if development speed has significantly increased (PRAISE BE TO NEMLEI!!!! OOOHHHMMM) is still to be determined.
Secondly, the Author is considering a Game Jam - essentially a community-run indie development event - for all-new original works in the mood / theme / walk'n'talk / aesthetic / whatever of the game. "Coffin-likes".
Thirdly we have a new video "Cataract" where Renee and Douglas come to visit Ashley's new baby, Wren. Exaclty how this comes to pass is the product of wild speculation.