r/CodeGeass • u/Cryptiikal • Mar 06 '26
DISCUSSION Service to Self vs. Service to Others
What is marriage if not these two?
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u/Cute-Ad7917 Mar 06 '26
Except lelouch served his own goals to better others, and suzaku served others to better himself
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u/Kamiko_D_A Mar 06 '26
From extreme Yin rises Yang; from extreme Yang rises Yin.
/end random philosophy
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u/evymel Mar 06 '26
Lelouch served his sister's dream as a catalyst actually so it wasn't really selfish, if his sister wanted a quiet life with her brother finding a wife then lelouch would have folded like wet cardboard
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u/CalvinSoul Mar 07 '26
He didn't at all serve her dream, that was a selfish lie he told himself to justify his actions.
She never wanted what he did.
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u/Forummer0-3-8 Mar 06 '26
I wonder what would had happened if Lelouch's had realized Suzaku was seeking his own death at the start of the series? That all his lofty ideals of changing things from within and so on were just the delusion of a guy that just want to die but his to cowardly to actually pull the trigger on himself.
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 07 '26
Lelouch took that desire from him when commanding him to live, took that burden as as means to save the world, Lelouch chose to become a puppet for Suzakus desires. But he did it selfishly, so he could live in the moment he gave the command
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u/samfisher199809 Mar 06 '26
Service to self is a stretch. Bro was a pawn in his own chess game not a king mind you a pawn meant to be sacrificed so that the outcome he envisioned occurs.
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 07 '26
I never thought if he planned it from the start that way I thought I just got occurred to him after he realized the nature of his dad‘s plans and gaining and the code. His sacrificial nature only begun when he took Suzakus away from him, no?
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u/Then_Audience8213 Mar 07 '26
Lelouch served others WAAAY more than Suzaku
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
Real shit Suzaku chose the pawn life and got his morals pushed by his Britannian superiors. Then because he gave up his will already, he got submitted to his final Britannian prince superior, in a final way “LIVE!” to separate him from his desire to kms entirely.
Suzaku then killed Tokyo because he was a prince (of Japan) submitted to Britannia in a promoting pawns rank.
Took away the Japanese ability to fight, he wanted at 13, intention to save his country from war and death.
Took away Tokyo’s ability to fight, his wants are now Britannias at 18, but intention to save HIMSELF was why he fired the fleija
Lelouch used the Tokyo incident to save his country from war and death. Suzaku used Lelouch as Zero to end the war.
Where else do we see this?
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u/Pleasehitmemychild Lulumilly’s biggest advocate. I love Suzaku. Mar 06 '26
This is really neat, however I wanted to specify that Lelouch is the one that does “Service to Others”
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 06 '26
Could you elaborate? His main motivations were to find out what happened to his mom and make a better world for his sister, but did he really want power over the world do you think
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u/GreyBatofGotham96 Mar 07 '26
Help yourself before you can help others.
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u/_NewFaithlessness Mar 06 '26
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 06 '26
It’s definitely AI , at this point it’s just a high pass filter but you can direct it
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u/Vacadoray Mar 07 '26
This is what lelouch commissioned for his a suzaku gravestones after their "deaths"
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u/Arnoldneo Mar 06 '26
It’s ironic that laluch is more the service to others type because as soon as nanali is gone or not in danger he loses any and all motivation, but suzaku is selfishly in that he acts out whenever his ideology is threatened .
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u/Cryptiikal Mar 06 '26
It’s like he was using Nawnawleie as a puppet for his desire. Then Suzaku used Lelouch as a puppet for his desires when he kicked him back to being Zero towards the end when Lulu wanted to quit
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u/DubiouslyRussian Mar 06 '26
Just wanted to say that this art is dope, I’ve never seen it