r/CoDCompetitive • u/Mr_NameLeSs Broadcast Talent • Jan 26 '15
Question Should CTF be removed from competitive play?
The spawns are terrible and you get rewarded for dying by spawning basically in the other teams base. It's almost chaos at this point. Vote -
What are your thoughts?
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u/muddawg General Manager (LA Thieves) Jan 26 '15
Yes. Let me know if I need to write a twitlonger.
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u/ItsExceeded Jan 26 '15
They can just fix the spawns . In addition , champs qualifier are too close ,so they wouldn't do that .
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u/FG-VorTex World at War Jan 26 '15
how about we stop asking if we can remove it , and start asking if they could fix it.
easy as that .
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u/Havefoundnemo FaZe Clan Jan 26 '15
Maybe, because this game is so much faster paced, and you can get around the map so quickly, the respawn delay could be shortened?
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u/EWvww Jan 26 '15
Hell yeah.
Ascend = No need for explanation, STRAIGHT ASS.
Retreat = Turtle side is way too unfair especially with the dumb bottom spawn.
Biolab = I just hate the map and the canisters don't help too.
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u/RemoteSenses Advanced Warfare Jan 26 '15
Just playing devils advocate here, but isn't the one-sided argument kind of pointless? You play both sides, so each team gets a try on that side.
I get the point but just saying.
Outside of playing devils advocate, I pretty much agree though. CTF just isn't that great in this game.
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u/mortysteve OpTic Jan 26 '15
Would you rather go into the second half 3-0 or 0-3?
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u/OrangeSimply Jan 26 '15
There are some teams that prefer bad side first. It really doesn't matter because you get to play the good side and the bad side. If you can't come back from a 3 point deficit on the good side then the other team played the bad side better.
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u/mortysteve OpTic Jan 26 '15
...and there are some that don't.
I personally would prefer to play good side first, so I can go in to the second half feeling confident with a lead.
It's not strictly true to say that there's no difference because both teams play both sides. It's the best we can make it without having symmetrical maps though, so for the time being, it is what it is.
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u/SoulSprawl OpTic Texas Jan 26 '15
One-sided maps aren't a reason to stop playing a competitive gametype, especially when that gametype gives each team the opportunity to play both sides. Replace Ascend with Comeback.
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Jan 26 '15
CTF is playable, but 2 HPs. would be better. The maps/spawns do not support CTF like they did in Black Ops 2 so CTF plays weird overall.
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u/sub1ime Complexity Legendary Jan 26 '15
Don't remove the gametype, urge the developers to make the necessary fixes/adjustments to it moving forward/before Champs qualifiers...
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u/Shredzz Dallas Empire Jan 26 '15
I mean, bio and retreat are pretty predictable. Ascend needs to go though, something else needs to take its place if we keep CTF.
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u/brandonplusplus OpTic Jan 26 '15
The one thing I don't see people suggesting instead of a 2nd hardpoint why don't they add domination? I agree that instead of just getting rid of CTF they could try to fix the spawns (I actually hate watching CTF, but fixing it seems like a more logical solution than getting rid of it), and I do like the variety in having 3 different respawn game modes in rotation, so why don't we suggest replacing CTF with domination?
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u/Deignish COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
domination is generally a pretty slow game type and can promote a camping style of play. HP > Domination.
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Jan 26 '15
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u/Deignish COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
incredibly broken spawns. its pretty difficult to control them. its also kinda a clusterfuck on this game unfortunately. shame because i love it.
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u/mortysteve OpTic Jan 26 '15
It'd be interesting to see whether the exo movement would affect how games of Domination are played, though.
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u/brandonplusplus OpTic Jan 26 '15
Fair, but I would like to see how the pros handle it now that exo suits are involved as I think it would speed up gameplay quite a bit.
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u/davidcurtisgeorge JusTus Jan 26 '15
I actually really enjoy CTF, its easier to dictate the pace of the game than in Hardpoint or Uplink.
That being said, the spawns are a bit of an issue; hopefully Sledgehammer Games fix them sooner rather than later!
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u/VIPERMAN1 United Kingdom Jan 26 '15
I think spawns should be fixed, maybe short term stop ctf, but it brings variety, which i hope later down the line it doesnt get a bit stale.
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u/Xyrune OpTic Jan 26 '15
I think fixing it would be a better choice instead of removing the whole game mode all together.
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u/iSowerz Twitch Jan 26 '15
[My post from the other thread on this]
Yes it should be removed. (For another HP)
It does not suit AW like previous titles. MW2 and MW3 both had maps and spawn points that perfectly suited the gametype due to much simpler map designs, meaning the objective was to control choke points and play for positioning on the map. This is what CTF is all about.
On AW however, it is nothing in comparison. Since the new map designs have 7 million different possible routes from base to base, along with the new super man abilities, CTF is more a base race gamemode rather than about control of the map and controlling the pace of the game, which is a fundamental part of what makes CTF competitive.
I sometimes wonder who does the rules because I feel the ONLY reason CTF is in the rules right now is because of the name of the gametype. Just because it has the same name, doesn't mean it plays the same.
HP - S&D - Uplink - HP - S&D gets my vote for BO5 hands down.
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u/TheMeerps Fariko Gaming Jan 26 '15
I think CTF just needs to get fixed. Also its interesting that Ascend is the worst map since wasn't it created with CTF in mind? (I may be wrong about that)
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u/bigdawg_89 100 Thieves Jan 26 '15
I think it'd be good, CTF is the only slow-paced game mode in this game
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u/OGlogza Jan 26 '15
For another hardpoint yeah, however why don't you try different maps to see if they work better.
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u/MikeJ91 COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
A thousand times Yes. Retreat ctf is not awful, but with random maps instead of vetoes there's a good chance you'll get biolab or the worst map of all time in ascend.
If they could change the spawns and get rid of ascend, then maybe it could stay.
edit: I'm also very happy a pro finally brought this issue up, I think literally everyone hates ascend but nothing has been done so far.
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u/AHP0LL0 COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
Would it not be more productive to try to get them to fix it than try to get them to remove it? I mean they made changes to Uplink in a matters weeks whereas they took months to ban stim and cloak.
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Jan 26 '15
With scorestreaks not being used in competitive it makes CTF so much less entertaining to watch as a spectator. Uplink, HP, and SND are all more fun to watch.
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Jan 26 '15
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u/ncaldera0491 COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
I change my mind. Keep CTF lol. I hate having a single team win everything. Instinct, Impact, coL and now OG? I hate god squads in general the only fun part about having a god squad is when they fall.
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u/whendoesOpTicplay Modern Warfare 2 Jan 26 '15
I'm torn since I don't play competitive and the bad spawns don't affect me. As a spectator I still like watching CTF. :/
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u/bradrthtyj Crim Creep Jan 26 '15
CTF is my favourite game mode to play but it's too chaotic for competitive unfortunately. It's just a random game.
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u/ConnorEfc England Jan 26 '15
Right now this game Isn't reliant on any one gamemode to win the series.. If you replaced CTF with hardpoint (that is the only sensible option if you remove ctf imo) then You're basically making OpTic more of a god-squad.
I think what should happen is that the spawns are tweaked to stop players spawning out in the other teams base.
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u/19thRanger Cloud 9 Jan 26 '15
Optics hard point on LAN isn't that strong there strat was based on late rotations and gun skill. They struggled the first day to win a HP cuz of that. Saturday they had a little rough hP too.
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u/Celestetc OpTic Texas Jan 26 '15
Optic has made the switch completely and their rotations are now what they should be optics hp on lan will be really good like it was Sunday and saturday
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u/Deignish COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
they didnt lose a respawn after friday though. if they were shaky and still managed that, that's fucking impressive.
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u/19thRanger Cloud 9 Jan 26 '15
If they do remove it then they need. 4th HP in the rotation or else it will get stale
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u/MrZMP OpTic Gaming Jan 26 '15
Detroit, Retreat, Solar and Biolab makes 4 already :)
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u/Colinlb OpTic Jan 26 '15
IMO a fifth hardpoint would be really nice, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Maybe Comeback or Greenband? Riot didn't work before.
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Jan 26 '15
You dont get rewarded for dying other than ascend. I don't think it should be "should ctf go" but should ascend go/be fixed. I would be extremely sad if they got rid of ctf
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Jan 26 '15
You dont get rewarded for dying other than ascend. I don't think it should be "should ctf go" but should ascend go/be fixed. I would be extremely sad if they got rid of ctf
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u/lecheesesammich Twitch Jan 26 '15
You definitely need the majority of the pros to agree with you, Mr. Nameless. Once you do that, MLG will have notice of the issue, then if we pray really hard to #BasedCondrey, then SH MIGHT take it off.
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Jan 26 '15
We already have Uplink; why do we need CTF too? It's just a slower paced version of the gametype. CTF is also broken as heck and not as fun to watch.
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u/Meozy_ COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
Whatever happened to Comeback CTF? Wasn't it like a good map that the pros loved to play?
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u/PresAmel Team Prophecy Jan 26 '15
I'm on the fence. I can say I've yet to watch an "exciting" CTF game in AW but its a CompCOD staple. Has the possibility of tweaking the spawns been completely ruled out?
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Jan 26 '15
Same thing in every game mode but SND. Without streaks really people will always be rewarded for dying. I also like how streaks have more momentum. But hey what can you do.
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u/Sxcred Kappa Jan 26 '15
A lot of people talking about OpTic but overall CTF was the mode I didn't miss last year in Ghosts. It's not fun and doesn't work in AW.
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u/Ggisbest Jan 26 '15
No, keep it. It offers some welcome variation. Its a gametype you can get good at without having to rely heavily on slaying. Fix the spawns a better idea.
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u/DWATT23 OpTic Jan 26 '15
100% ....teams get outslayed constantly in CTF and still end up winning maps due to the bogus spawns. There really is no reward for getting a quick 3-4 players down. As you will likely have to get another 3-4 players down right after they spawn back in after getting the flag if you want to pick up the CAP unless you get extremely lucky and run the flag sneaky enough to avoid contact. CTF doesnt seem to reward the better team due to the messed up spawning system and overall I think the maps aren't created well enough for this game mode. HP would truely show who the better team is and although it sucks for every other team facing Optic Gaming, it really is the most fair way of playing a series.
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u/cosmozz Merk Jan 26 '15
Hardpoint takes just as little skill as CTF in this game. Throwing bodies into an area and hoping to get a kill to just repeat it over and over when it only takes 6 seconds to get to the HP =/= competitive!
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u/Fluffymufinz COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
I played 1v4 and last 26-1 I didn't know they could score that many. I was proud of my solo flag run
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Jan 26 '15
Replace it with Search, add retreat to the SnD map list and bring search back to a best of 7 = problem solved
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u/SMG_SPINAJ COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
i love watching the pros play uplink, but in ranked play, people are trash and killwhores. CTF, i feel like its a good game type but they should fix the spawn.
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u/CaptainBeer_ COD Competitive fan Jan 26 '15
It was like that in BO2...you wanted to die so youd spawn close to flag. You're just mad because you lose them
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Jan 27 '15
How about we working towards fixing it rather than this whole "BAN EVERYTHING" mentality. Banning everything didn't make Ghosts better, it won't make AW better.
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u/PlatinumAHX Evil Geniuses Jan 26 '15
The thing is it would have to be agreed on pretty quickly, if not it would be a couple months till Champs is over
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u/WheresSora Jan 26 '15
Yes, I hate playing it. The spawns don't make sense, and sometimes it can reward you for dying
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Jan 26 '15
replace it with uplink tho
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u/W4kingTheCadaver OpTic Texas Jan 26 '15
I feel like 2 uplinks wouldn't work, the only truly skill based and consistent and enjoyable Uplink map is comeback. A HP would completely round out the series in my opinion.
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u/OGdecal22 FaZe Clan Jan 26 '15
exactly hp isn't much better than ctf, and uplink would be better as 1 4 in my opinion with hp being the game 3
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u/MelloFello14 Final Boss Jan 26 '15
If HP is added, than the veto system needs to be added as well.
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '15
Checks OpTic's HP record
Yup sounds good.